The Jesus of the Bible was a communist. If you aren't a communist, then you are anti-Christ.

Seemingly you all want to live like Jesus and can't agree on whether you're all doing good, or at least agree on what the word to describe it is.

John 8;36 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

I'd say Jesus wasn't the communist hippi, Jesus was free.

there is no way to justify that my society, of which I profit and enjoy its perks, trows away tons of food while there are still people dying of malnutrition. we are a free society, so we can't even blame anyone of forcing us to not distribute the riches evenly. If we are not ready to lower our Standards for the community earth, If Jesus were to come back he will not have a few figureheads to blame, but we will be guilty by association to the culture that purported the inequality.
Having a bank account and a regular income, might as well raise you from guilty by association to an actual collaborator...

yes, we're all going to burn in hell... and it isn't because someone used communism in his post...

shades (Check)
Sun cream (check)
where's the staircase

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: AOx6179

That was a powerful testimony, brother. My story is similar. I suspect many are.

Just wanted to give you some kudos for posting that.

TheRedneck

I am just now seeing this,TRN.
Coming from you that is a huge compliment. And it came with them hard knocks, but you know that too.
I've noticed and had a ton of admiration and respect for your Bible knowledge, and obvious close relationship with our Father and with His Holy Spirit. I knew that had come with time. It's almost like I see you and know where I'm headed.....in a Sense, if you will. Haha
Im operating under the assumption youve got a few years on me. I desire that level of patience. But that's my weakness.

Thanks brother.

originally posted by: ToneDeaf

originally posted by: ltrz2025
You might want to apologize for falsely accusing me of "editing" the Bible. I did no such thing.
I guess you don't know that there are different translations of the Bible.
P.S.: The fact that Kibbutz are a thing, it's irrelevant, it doesn't change what
Jesus commanded and the way he lived according to the Bible.

Bible versions Lol now there is a red herring !
"Commandments of Jesus" now there is a new one Lol.
Say what you will, but this is exactly why
I highly respect the unchanged Quran (and I'm a baptized Christian)


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They copied the stories of the bible and made it fit for muhammed. Its a rip off with changes to avoid looking liek a rip off.

a reply to: yuppa

There is some evidence to suggest that certain stories and motifs in the Bible can be traced back to earlier cultures and religions.

For example, the story of Noah's Ark has similarities to flood myths found in other ancient cultures, like the Epic of Gilgamesh or the story of the Garden of Eden has similarities to earlier Mesopotamian myths.

It all just rinse and repeat yuppa same as most other organised religious practices.

a reply to: yuppa

i guess all the tales prior to the bible with very similar plots are some sort of time traveling rip offs?

a reply to: ltrz2025

If you are not a Christian then why are you trying to protect Christianity from apostasy ?
Why do you care?
Your neither a communist as you said you dont follow ideologies
So are you just trying to rub Christians up the wrong way by pointing out some perceived logical fallacy in their religion ?
for fun ? you get kicks out of arguing with people ?

What you are doing is taking ideals of the 20th century and placing them onto the life of Jesus and his disciples
Jesus wasn't a communist. No matter how hard you try to label him as one the fact is he wasn't.
Many religious scholars the world over would disagree with you

Communism doesnt fit with religion in general, history tells us so
so you are simply trying to poke holes in religion to annoy Christians?

anyway why dont you give up your computer to the poor
you talk the talk but do you walk the walk

a reply to: yuppa

Did you know that St.Kintegern / Mungo actually used to worship the moon before converting to Christianity and founded Glasgow
most of the Saints in the British isles took the druids pagan beliefs and converted them to christian beliefs
its a well known fact. I guess its true we do stand on the shoulders of giants

a reply to: sapien82

I will answer, but it feels like you already casted a negative judgement over me, so I know that this message will probably not go through.

First of all, it's close minded to think that "communism" is only what you saw during the 20th century in the USSR or Cuba, or North Korea. That's just the modern-political-state form of it. Communism, in its basic definition, is simply a classless society, where there is no private property, no wealth accumulation (capital), and the means of productions are shared/owned by a community.

Native populations with no concept of private property rights live all in a communist way. This is the way Jesus lived, according to the literal interpretation of Bible. The Bible didn't say: Jesus had a few bank accounts, a few houses, three cars, and the best clothes and jewelry. But the contrary. The Bible says that he sold all his private property and lived out of the community with his apostles and followers.

Second, protecting Christianity from apostasy is one way to see what I'm doing. Another way to see it is try to fight the weaponization of religion for the wrong purposes. During the last few weeks I participated in a few threads in ATS and there were some "Christians" judging and casting out others due to their "lack of faith" (this is what I mean by weaponization of religion).

Religion is also used like this in the political arena, as a way to "lead votes" into some options, distract people with certain artificial narratives (like the discussions about the transgenders, etc.), just because the "pastor says so". I felt that that some Christians in this page needed a bit of a reflective moment and sort of show them that they might not be the good Christians they claimed to be. That they could do better.

I knew that the thread would create this reaction, and that I would receive so much judgement against; which is another element that goes to show that many people who call themselves Christians are not practicing the gospel of Jesus, who commanded not to judge, but to put the other cheek and love your enemies.

I don't know about you, but when I'm wrong, I like to be "corrected". This helps me to become a better person. By showing all these "Christians" that they are not really following Jesus' law, but their "own version" of Christianity, I think I helped them becoming better Christians, and they won't weaponize the belief as often from now on. That's what I expect, I could be wrong though. And I get it, sometimes acknowledging that you are wrong can be difficult, traumatic, but sometimes that's the only way we grow.


P.S.: I simply quoted from the bible, how can that be interpreted as "poking holes in the religion"? I'm actually speaking out what the Bible says and talking like Jesus existed and that the Biblical accounts are real. It's like I start reading the US constitution and you tell me that I'm trying to poke holes in the US democracy. Where is the logic in that? I did not question the belief at all, and believe me that I could, but that was never my aim here.

a reply to: ltrz2025

I don't know about you, but when I'm wrong, I like to be "corrected".

You certainly could have fooled me!

TheRedneck

a reply to: ltrz2025

The problem with Communism and Communists is that megalomaniacs take over and then millions die and/or oppressed.

Capitalism and Democracy may not be the best way to run a country but it's the best that humanity has come up with. And a damn sight better than Communism.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.outono.net...

You will know them by their fruits.

a reply to: ntech

I agree with your political view of the 20th century communism, but that isn't the point of my thread. This is the religious forum, I'm simply describing the way that Jesus preached and lived. I'm not saying I agree with him, or with Stalin. Whether the 20th century communism was good or bad (bad, for sure), it doesn't change what Jesus commanded and the laws that Christians should follow, that is the Word of God, right? That's all.

a reply to: Astyanax

Of course, God exists outside our universe as He created and is not bound by its rules, including those governing space and time.

Time for us and time for God are not the same and this is brought up in scripture. I would ultimately expect this to lie at the base of the mystery. We cannot exactly comprehend what it would be like and try to conceptualize within our frame of reference.

a reply to: Terpene

There isn't, but remember, government makes the rules on that and they wouldn't want starving people to maybe risk food poisoning so they compel us to throw much of it out.

a reply to: ltrz2025

You know, I once did what you are attempting: I found a single quote in a piece of literature that supported an interpretation *I* wanted to make, and I built an entire mid-term paper based on that and very little else.

I was, rightfully, smacked with a big, fat F by my professor who patiently did what many here are doing - pointing out the many places where the same text either does not support the argument proposed or outright contradicts it. I learned my lesson. Will you?

a reply to: ketsuko

Poor you, must be hard to live under a dictatorship...
Wait you don't, you get to vote your government.
Are you trying to shift the blame?

Food poisoning is your excuse for letting others starve?
Impressive set of morals

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ltrz2025

You know, I once did what you are attempting: I found a single quote in a piece of literature that supported an interpretation *I* wanted to make, and I built an entire mid-term paper based on that and very little else.

I was, rightfully, smacked with a big, fat F by my professor who patiently did what many here are doing - pointing out the many places where the same text either does not support the argument proposed or outright contradicts it. I learned my lesson. Will you?

a reply to: ketsuko

Let me tell you a story:

Last time I went to the doctor (an authority, like your "professor"), he recommended me to get an experimental genetic mRNA clot-shot, that had no liability for the laboratories that produced it, that wasn't even tested on animals, to fight a "virus" (the seasonal flu) that had a 99.99% survival rate. Plus, the doctor told me that if I didn't get it, I would die and kill everyone around me, and that I was a bad boy (like your professor giving you an "F"). I didn't agree. I gave an "F" to the doctor, sort to speak.

After meeting that doctor, I went out to the world and noticed that ALL the people that I didn't have intellectual respect for thought the same way as this doctor, and they all told me that I was wrong and contradictory for thinking what I thought. They even campaigned for people who were "wrong" like me to lose their jobs and even be thrown in jail. A bit of what Jesus and his followers allegedly experienced among the Jews, I guess.

End of the story: I didn't take the experimental mRNA clot-shot. I have dignity and self respect, so I don't submit like a mindless slave to fake "authorities" and silly group pressure.

I still have not found any better argument than mine regarding the literal interpretation of the words of Jesus, so far all I've heard are people's personal and convenient interpretations. For me, that doesn't make it.

Last thing: The way you tend to see "authority" and how you seem to be so weak to social pressure, when you say that you "learned your lesson", like a good boy, makes me think that you are 5 times boosted and wearing your triple mask. I hope you are staying safe an at home! The doctors and all the sheeple says so!

a reply to: Terpene

I am just pointing out that when you see places throwing stuff out over giving it away, regulations are the answer. People have tried and been arrested.

a reply to: ltrz2025

Difference between your example and mine is that the doctors can't provide solid evidence. The professor had a good case. You have avoided and dodged every argument made.

a reply to: ltrz2025

if you think or feel that I'm judging you negatively by asking you questions I am not , I am simply criticizing your argument
there are humans smarter than you or I that have proven what you claim is false.
Many religious scholars have documented the life of jesus none have come to the same conclusion as you.

Jesus wasnt a communist, communism as a human philosophy didnt exist during the life of Jesus

Native peoples or tribes lived in egalitarian life or had a clan structure with chosen leader and a spiritual leader (shaman) nomadic tribal life is not communism.
Neither is how Jesus lived communism no matter how hard you try to apply the label
yes some of the principles of Jesus teachings can be found in many of the ideologies of the 20th century there is no debating that. As I said, humans stand on the shoulders of giants and there is nothing new under the sun.
but it doesnt make Jesus a communist just because we see parallels with how he lived in how communism is structured.

Many things can be alike but are not the same, many ideologies have their similarities as they all are structured around human behaviour and the characteristics that make up humans.

Religion has been weaponised for a very long time, I doubt you or I or anyone else will prevent it being so.

I think what you are doing is just antagonizing Christians by comparing Christ lifestyle to communism
and it just seems like folly