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The Jesus of the Bible was a communist. If you aren't a communist, then you are anti-Christ.

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posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser
a reply to: AOx6179

No one finds God on their own. Jesus said no one can come to him unless the Father draws him. Before the person even knows it God has already been gently tugging at them.

And you do need a teacher in other to understand the word. You don't discover the truth on your own. The Christianity of the Bible is not a solitary faith either. It is a faith shared by many and they are commanded to meet together and incite each other to love and fine works.


I found it through Jesus. He was the door I walked through. It's a journey.


And you do need a teacher in other to understand the word. You don't discover the truth on your own


Correct, you need a guide. Holy Spirit is the answer youre looking for here.


You answered correctly. It is the holy spirit that guides us in all the ways of the truth. Now notice how it operates on God's servants:

"So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot.” Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?”-Acts 8:29-31.

So it is really God's preachers and teachers that his holy spirit moves to approach sincere-hearted ones to teach them. And as they reveal God's word, it is God's spirit that motivates the heart and makes the kingdom seed grow in the listener how becomes a believer.

In another place we are told:

"For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?  How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”-Romans 10:13.

So those who declare the good news of good things are the ones that have been sent forth.

When you find the truth you find the need to do so. It is a requirement of salvation.

In fact Paul said:

"Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!"-1 Corinthians 9:16.

The angels are involved in a harvesting work among humankind as reapers. The preaching and teaching of God's witnesses around the earth is being directed by the invisible spirit angels. Are you working alongside them? Are you working shoulder to shoulder with God's fellow workers?

All of these things are part of true Christianity.




Yes. Id like to add to your thoughts here. Remember, it's the same Spirit but different gifts. We all have different assignments in a manner of speaking. You know this. That was for the observer.
I use to want to teach...
I've changed my mind. Lol I'm just a servant. A foot washer, if you will.

But yes, Jesus is my Lord and Savior. My salvation is through His blood. The Holy Spirit was given to us through his death a d resurrection.
I'd like to state. I'm not against going to church or having that family and support system. It's wonderful to be in a crowd of people all with the same heart and mind in worshipping the Lord. This is beautiful. And many many people have found the Lord Jesus that way.
But it's not the only way...
I have a different assignment. Mine is a solitary one. Meant for me to do alone, with the Spirit. At least that's how it has seemed and worked up to this point.
Romans 14 is a good chapter about the differences in us.

Added: I was blessed with a certain gift and was told that it was a sign that I was to speak Gods Words.
And I have had some experiences that I believe (know) that angels.....and even demons got involved.
I've had two visions. The first when I was 13.
I have always believed in Jesus, the Bible. That's never been a question for me. I think my desire was simply to dive deeper than the surface of it.
edit on 21-3-2023 by AOx6179 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: Untun
a reply to: AOx6179

Enlightenment lies not in agreement nor in disagreement but in not letting yourself be corrupted by the world.


Romans 12:2 KJV And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


All who are in union with God are in agreement. That is a part of true enlightenment:

"“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me."-John 17:20-23.



posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser
a reply to: AOx6179

No one finds God on their own. Jesus said no one can come to him unless the Father draws him. Before the person even knows it God has already been gently tugging at them.

And you do need a teacher in other to understand the word. You don't discover the truth on your own. The Christianity of the Bible is not a solitary faith either. It is a faith shared by many and they are commanded to meet together and incite each other to love and fine works.


I found it through Jesus. He was the door I walked through. It's a journey.


And you do need a teacher in other to understand the word. You don't discover the truth on your own


Correct, you need a guide. Holy Spirit is the answer youre looking for here.


You answered correctly. It is the holy spirit that guides us in all the ways of the truth. Now notice how it operates on God's servants:

"So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot.” Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?”-Acts 8:29-31.

So it is really God's preachers and teachers that his holy spirit moves to approach sincere-hearted ones to teach them. And as they reveal God's word, it is God's spirit that motivates the heart and makes the kingdom seed grow in the listener how becomes a believer.

In another place we are told:

"For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?  How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”-Romans 10:13.

So those who declare the good news of good things are the ones that have been sent forth.

When you find the truth you find the need to do so. It is a requirement of salvation.

In fact Paul said:

"Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!"-1 Corinthians 9:16.

The angels are involved in a harvesting work among humankind as reapers. The preaching and teaching of God's witnesses around the earth is being directed by the invisible spirit angels. Are you working alongside them? Are you working shoulder to shoulder with God's fellow workers?

All of these things are part of true Christianity.




Yes. Id like to add to your thoughts here. Remember, it's the same Spirit but different gifts. We all have different assignments in a manner of speaking. You know this. That was for the observer.
I use to want to teach...
I've changed my mind. Lol I'm just a servant. A foot washer, if you will.

But yes, Jesus is my Lord and Savior. My salvation is through His blood. The Holy Spirit was given to us through his death a d resurrection.
I'd like to state. I'm not against going to church or having that family and support system. It's wonderful to be in a crowd of people all with the same heart and mind in worshipping the Lord. This is beautiful. And many many people have found the Lord Jesus that way.
But it's not the only way...
I have a different assignment. Mine is a solitary one. Meant for me to do alone, with the Spirit. At least that's how it has seemed and worked up to this point.
Romans 14 is a good chapter about the differences in us.


Well said. I appreciate your thoughts. Here is a thought. Perhaps God's spirit, is tugging at you, to find his servants on earth, and to gather with them:

"And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near."-Hebrews 10:24-25.

I am not quoting this here to contradict you. I appreciate your faith and commend you for it.
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posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: randomuser

Hi, thx for posting.

It made me wonder, what actually is the world knowing God sent someone.



posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: Untun
a reply to: randomuser

Hi, thx for posting.

It made me wonder, what actually is the world knowing God sent someone.


I appreciate your posts as well. You do have quite the knowledge. Even this pondering shows your mind at work.

The world Jesus was referring to, and that is often referred to in scripture is the people in the world. When Jesus said at John 3:16 that "God loved the world so much" he was not talking about the literal world, although he does also love the earth, but he was talking about the people who live on earth. In particular, people who are alienated from God and who do not serve him.

For the world, that is people who do not know or serve God, to know Jesus sent him, they would need to have preachers sent to them. I quoted a scripture that talks about that just above there it says:

"For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”-Romans 10:13-15.

Jesus here was praying to God that He make Jesus' followers "one" that is of the same mind and purpose, as Jesus was "one" that is of the same and mind as purpose with Jehovah, his Father and God. That way they would all be one with each other, that is in agreement. That unity is an identifying mark of true Christianity, the unity and love God's people have among each other. (John 13:35).

They have the one word of truth, and speak and preach in agreement. The Bible refers to this as the "pure language." It is found and spoke among Jehovah's unified people on earth today.
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posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser
a reply to: AOx6179

No one finds God on their own. Jesus said no one can come to him unless the Father draws him. Before the person even knows it God has already been gently tugging at them.

And you do need a teacher in other to understand the word. You don't discover the truth on your own. The Christianity of the Bible is not a solitary faith either. It is a faith shared by many and they are commanded to meet together and incite each other to love and fine works.


I found it through Jesus. He was the door I walked through. It's a journey.


And you do need a teacher in other to understand the word. You don't discover the truth on your own


Correct, you need a guide. Holy Spirit is the answer youre looking for here.


You answered correctly. It is the holy spirit that guides us in all the ways of the truth. Now notice how it operates on God's servants:

"So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot.” Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?”-Acts 8:29-31.

So it is really God's preachers and teachers that his holy spirit moves to approach sincere-hearted ones to teach them. And as they reveal God's word, it is God's spirit that motivates the heart and makes the kingdom seed grow in the listener how becomes a believer.

In another place we are told:

"For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?  How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”-Romans 10:13.

So those who declare the good news of good things are the ones that have been sent forth.

When you find the truth you find the need to do so. It is a requirement of salvation.

In fact Paul said:

"Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!"-1 Corinthians 9:16.

The angels are involved in a harvesting work among humankind as reapers. The preaching and teaching of God's witnesses around the earth is being directed by the invisible spirit angels. Are you working alongside them? Are you working shoulder to shoulder with God's fellow workers?

All of these things are part of true Christianity.




Yes. Id like to add to your thoughts here. Remember, it's the same Spirit but different gifts. We all have different assignments in a manner of speaking. You know this. That was for the observer.
I use to want to teach...
I've changed my mind. Lol I'm just a servant. A foot washer, if you will.

But yes, Jesus is my Lord and Savior. My salvation is through His blood. The Holy Spirit was given to us through his death a d resurrection.
I'd like to state. I'm not against going to church or having that family and support system. It's wonderful to be in a crowd of people all with the same heart and mind in worshipping the Lord. This is beautiful. And many many people have found the Lord Jesus that way.
But it's not the only way...
I have a different assignment. Mine is a solitary one. Meant for me to do alone, with the Spirit. At least that's how it has seemed and worked up to this point.
Romans 14 is a good chapter about the differences in us.


Well said. I appreciate your thoughts. Here is a thought. Perhaps God's spirit, is tugging at you, to find his servants on earth, and to gather with them:

"And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near."-Hebrews 10:24-25.

I am not quoting this here to contradict you. I appreciate your faith and commend you for it.


I don't take offense to that at all. I see your love of Jesus and others shining..

I gotta be honest. I'm not 💯 on what exactly it is God has called me to do for him. I am certain I have been called for something tho.
I had to go through a humbling process recently.
Let's just say, when I was baptized in the Spirit my ego soured too high for a minute and had to be brought back down, if you catch my drift. Lol
God is good.

But yes, I'm learning and open to whatever God wants of me.

If you see something in me and would like to share, then please do. I think you're pretty close to something with what you said God may be tugging me to.
And I do have a family in Christ. There everywhere I go, my brother or sister in Christ.
You and I are family, and look.....here are two or more gathered in His Name.



edit on 21-3-2023 by AOx6179 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser
a reply to: AOx6179

No one finds God on their own. Jesus said no one can come to him unless the Father draws him. Before the person even knows it God has already been gently tugging at them.

And you do need a teacher in other to understand the word. You don't discover the truth on your own. The Christianity of the Bible is not a solitary faith either. It is a faith shared by many and they are commanded to meet together and incite each other to love and fine works.


I found it through Jesus. He was the door I walked through. It's a journey.


And you do need a teacher in other to understand the word. You don't discover the truth on your own


Correct, you need a guide. Holy Spirit is the answer youre looking for here.


You answered correctly. It is the holy spirit that guides us in all the ways of the truth. Now notice how it operates on God's servants:

"So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot.” Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?”-Acts 8:29-31.

So it is really God's preachers and teachers that his holy spirit moves to approach sincere-hearted ones to teach them. And as they reveal God's word, it is God's spirit that motivates the heart and makes the kingdom seed grow in the listener how becomes a believer.

In another place we are told:

"For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?  How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”-Romans 10:13.

So those who declare the good news of good things are the ones that have been sent forth.

When you find the truth you find the need to do so. It is a requirement of salvation.

In fact Paul said:

"Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!"-1 Corinthians 9:16.

The angels are involved in a harvesting work among humankind as reapers. The preaching and teaching of God's witnesses around the earth is being directed by the invisible spirit angels. Are you working alongside them? Are you working shoulder to shoulder with God's fellow workers?

All of these things are part of true Christianity.




Yes. Id like to add to your thoughts here. Remember, it's the same Spirit but different gifts. We all have different assignments in a manner of speaking. You know this. That was for the observer.
I use to want to teach...
I've changed my mind. Lol I'm just a servant. A foot washer, if you will.

But yes, Jesus is my Lord and Savior. My salvation is through His blood. The Holy Spirit was given to us through his death a d resurrection.
I'd like to state. I'm not against going to church or having that family and support system. It's wonderful to be in a crowd of people all with the same heart and mind in worshipping the Lord. This is beautiful. And many many people have found the Lord Jesus that way.
But it's not the only way...
I have a different assignment. Mine is a solitary one. Meant for me to do alone, with the Spirit. At least that's how it has seemed and worked up to this point.
Romans 14 is a good chapter about the differences in us.


Well said. I appreciate your thoughts. Here is a thought. Perhaps God's spirit, is tugging at you, to find his servants on earth, and to gather with them:

"And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near."-Hebrews 10:24-25.

I am not quoting this here to contradict you. I appreciate your faith and commend you for it.


I don't take offense to that at all. I see your love of Jesus and others shining..

I gotta be honest. I'm not 💯 on what exactly it is God has called me to do for him. I am certain I have been called for something tho.
I had to go through a humbling process recently.
Let's just say, when I was baptized in the Spirit my ego soured too high for a minute and had to be brought back down, if you catch my drift. Lol
God is good.

But yes, I'm learning and open to whatever God wants of me.

If you see something in me and would like to share, then please do. I think you're pretty close to something with what you said God may be tugging me to.
And I do have a family in Christ. There everywhere I go, my brother or sister in Christ.
You and I are family, and look.....here are two or more gathered in His Name.




Added: to respect the author and to prevent thread or topic drift:

If you'd like to chat a bit in PM, randomuser, and share some stories or whatever hit me up in messenger here. I'm on a mission with this thread and don't want to have my words removed.

Back to topic.
By the OPs logic, Kim Jung Un is "leading" his people to perfection in Jesus Christ.
I've got an issue with this.
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(post by ltrz2025 removed for a serious terms and conditions violation)

posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 06:00 PM
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originally posted by: ltrz2025

originally posted by: AOx6179
By the OPs logic, Kim Jung Un is "leading" his people to perfection in Jesus Christ.
I've got an issue with this.


None sense. One thing is lacking arguments. Another thing is trying to twist someone else's words to make you feel less wrong. You have no honesty. Kim Jung Un is an atheist (and he highly likely is also a murderous & greedy b4stard), so, just by that, he is not a Christian and he doesn't follow Christ's commandments. Then, salvation is an individual path, a politician cannot lead a nation to "perfection". Your logic fails all over, besides that you lie. Wasn't lying a sin?....


You make me chuckle.
You can say nonsense, but I can't. Cool.
Thanks for taking my bait...

In your response here, do you not see how you have done exactly that? Throughout your entire thread??Rhetorical



Why, are you trying so hard to use my love of God, my love of His Word, His Son Jesus Christ, who died for us all,
even my own love for you.....whyy are you trying to use this against me?
Dude, I love God so much don't you see yet, that you could never rattle my Faith?

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posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 06:06 PM
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I see many people with a zeal for God. But not according to accurate knowledge.

Accurate knowledge … there is the letter if the jaw and the spirit of the law. Some lack of knowledge can be very dangerous, especially in today’s ideological warfare. I’ve seen over and over people(mostly not Christian) justify their political and moral beliefs with an interpretation of the Bible that suits them . Ultimately, do people want the “truth” or what is convenient to the human appetite? Do they want true union with God, or a comfortable human existence?



posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: ltrz2025

originally posted by: AOx6179
By the OPs logic, Kim Jung Un is "leading" his people to perfection in Jesus Christ.
I've got an issue with this.


None sense. One thing is lacking arguments. Another thing is trying to twist someone else's words to make you feel less wrong. You have no honesty. Kim Jung Un is an atheist (and he highly likely is also a murderous & greedy b4stard), so, just by that, he is not a Christian and he doesn't follow Christ's commandments. Then, salvation is an individual path, a politician cannot lead a nation to "perfection". Your logic fails all over, besides that you lie. Wasn't lying a sin?....


I have told no lies here.
You're trying to run, again, because you are losing your argument. And the further you take this the more your own fallacies will show.


Look, bro, all bs aside. Want to know why I've got you in my sights like this? It's not because you disagree or have a theory of any kind. It's not even the theory itself. I agree to a certain point, minus the antichrist remarks, and all the other nasty things you've said about me, and many many people right here.
Im hoping you will simply apologize to all these people for your behavior and words here.
For instance, if you had titled your OP different, and worded your OP different, and was actually willing to discuss this, you wouldn't even know my name.
But you attacked what was most precious to me. You might as well of attacked my child in this manner. So yeah, here I am.
I have zero respect for you. THATS THE TRUTH. You have lost every bit of it. And that's rare for me.
And the ONLY way you could save any face here and stop this madness, is if you apologize to ALL these people you've attacked, and simply admit it was a terrible choice of words. And then you can discuss the topic rationally with people. Id probably just quietly walk away...
THE TRUTH.


But until then:
Aren't you the one who bragged about how you "could have lied here, but didn't?" And then want credit for "not lying." I thought that stood out pretty much then. But the way you keep projecting yourself on others is quite unsettling.

Kim jung Un is a commie. I thought you would appreciate that comment.
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posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: ltrz2025

When you read the Bible, two things become quite clear:

1. Jesus required a communist way of life for those seeking Christian salvation.

2. Jesus condemned wealth and property.



1. The communist way of life

Jesus promoted communism by example. Jesus and his followers lived communal lives that were dedicated to voluntary poverty. Some examples:

“Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers… And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.” (Acts 2:41–46)

“Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.” (Acts 4: 32–35)


2. Jesus condemned wealth and property.

The fact that Jesus unambiguously condemned wealth and property is irrefutable. Some examples:

And Jesus said: “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)

“Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.’” (Matthew 19:23,24)

“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” (Matthew 6:24) The term mammon refers to the evil influence of wealth as a false object of worship.


Conclusion

This is NOT my opinion, these are the words of the very bible. Any "Christian" claiming that what I shared here are lies, then they are denying the word of Jesus. Any person who call him/herself a "Christian" and, knowing the law, does not live in a "communist way" is a Christian apostate and, by their own doctrine, are condemning themselves to "hell".

And, if you have anything to say against what I've simply transcribed, I hope that you are writing from a borrowed phone or computer, because Christ commanded you to sell ALL your property, so you should not have any.


Best to all.



First of all, good ol' chat GPT amirite? Yeah, definitely think a good portion of this was.

Secondly... Where in the # do you get communism (Politics) out of Christianity (Religion). That's like squeezing an orange and hoping for apple juice.

There's exactly ZERO chance any Christian would ever hand over their free will to another mortal, that in it of itself would be against the law of god. The only, and I mean ONLY person Christians would follow "communistically" would be Jesus. That's it. Not any other.

Jesus was explaining to a sinner how to atone for his obsession with greed. Pure and simple. We that make money to survive and enjoy, don't obsess over it and most of us don't worship our money, even wealthy people willing to lose billions just to lead a nation. THATS atonement.

Giving, generosity, helping, spreading your wealth, is Christian.

Being wealthy isn't a sin, never was, even owning slaves isn't a sin. Mistreating slaves is; rewarding slaves and giving them a good life is very Christian. It's hard to comprehend in todays terms because of the access to everything you need to live... but thousands of years ago, very different story - slaves were happy to lead meaningful lives as they were fed, housed, allowed to celebrate as long as their work was complete - it gave their lives meaning. If they left their encampment/settlement, they were subject to almost certain death by starvation, exposure, super-predators, etc...

You've only proven a FEW thing to me: That you hate Christians, you understand nothing but your own point of view and how you can try to shape it in order to prove something you want to believe - but by every logical interpretation, is false.



posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 08:09 PM
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You're saying the author is using AI for this debate????

Wow....and STILL getting his ass whooped.

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posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: ltrz2025

Jesus asked his DISCIPLES to sell/give their stuff WILLINGLY... He gave them a CHOICE. Communism doesn't give a choice, and people like you ignore the history of communism in which over 110 million people were murdered without counting the deaths of soldiers in battle. Not to mention the millions put in gulags...

This is the biggest BS claim ever made.


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posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: randomuser
a reply to: AOx6179

No one finds God on their own. Jesus said no one can come to him unless the Father draws him. Before the person even knows it God has already been gently tugging at them.

And you do need a teacher in other to understand the word. You don't discover the truth on your own. The Christianity of the Bible is not a solitary faith either. It is a faith shared by many and they are commanded to meet together and incite each other to love and fine works.


I found it through Jesus. He was the door I walked through. It's a journey.


And you do need a teacher in other to understand the word. You don't discover the truth on your own


Correct, you need a guide. Holy Spirit is the answer youre looking for here.


You answered correctly. It is the holy spirit that guides us in all the ways of the truth. Now notice how it operates on God's servants:

"So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot.” Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?”-Acts 8:29-31.

So it is really God's preachers and teachers that his holy spirit moves to approach sincere-hearted ones to teach them. And as they reveal God's word, it is God's spirit that motivates the heart and makes the kingdom seed grow in the listener how becomes a believer.

In another place we are told:

"For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?  How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”-Romans 10:13.

So those who declare the good news of good things are the ones that have been sent forth.

When you find the truth you find the need to do so. It is a requirement of salvation.

In fact Paul said:

"Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!"-1 Corinthians 9:16.

The angels are involved in a harvesting work among humankind as reapers. The preaching and teaching of God's witnesses around the earth is being directed by the invisible spirit angels. Are you working alongside them? Are you working shoulder to shoulder with God's fellow workers?

All of these things are part of true Christianity.




Yes. Id like to add to your thoughts here. Remember, it's the same Spirit but different gifts. We all have different assignments in a manner of speaking. You know this. That was for the observer.
I use to want to teach...
I've changed my mind. Lol I'm just a servant. A foot washer, if you will.

But yes, Jesus is my Lord and Savior. My salvation is through His blood. The Holy Spirit was given to us through his death a d resurrection.
I'd like to state. I'm not against going to church or having that family and support system. It's wonderful to be in a crowd of people all with the same heart and mind in worshipping the Lord. This is beautiful. And many many people have found the Lord Jesus that way.
But it's not the only way...
I have a different assignment. Mine is a solitary one. Meant for me to do alone, with the Spirit. At least that's how it has seemed and worked up to this point.
Romans 14 is a good chapter about the differences in us.


Well said. I appreciate your thoughts. Here is a thought. Perhaps God's spirit, is tugging at you, to find his servants on earth, and to gather with them:

"And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near."-Hebrews 10:24-25.

I am not quoting this here to contradict you. I appreciate your faith and commend you for it.


I don't take offense to that at all. I see your love of Jesus and others shining..

I gotta be honest. I'm not 💯 on what exactly it is God has called me to do for him. I am certain I have been called for something tho.
I had to go through a humbling process recently.
Let's just say, when I was baptized in the Spirit my ego soured too high for a minute and had to be brought back down, if you catch my drift. Lol
God is good.

But yes, I'm learning and open to whatever God wants of me.

If you see something in me and would like to share, then please do. I think you're pretty close to something with what you said God may be tugging me to.
And I do have a family in Christ. There everywhere I go, my brother or sister in Christ.
You and I are family, and look.....here are two or more gathered in His Name.



If you'd like to chat a bit in PM, randomuser, and share some stories or whatever hit me up in messenger here.


Thank you for the invitation. I read it earlier and thought about it. I just may PM you when I have some free time.



posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Jesus asked his DISCIPLES to sell/give their stuff WILLINGLY... He gave them a CHOICE. Communism doesn't give a choice, and people like you ignore the history of communism in which over 110 million people were murdered without counting the deaths of soldiers in battle. Not to mention the millions put in gulags...



Oh lord, I explained this several times already. The Soviet Union was a 20th century "form" of dictatorial communism. That's all it was, just ONE form. You can also live in a communist society by choice. Natives living in the rainforest with no concept of private property laws live in communistic systems.

A marriage, for example, is another form. If you marry someone and don't apply for a separation of property, then you and your wife share the same property willingly. That is a communist society between two people. Has your wife forced you to marry her?... Darn, that must be quite a relationship!... XP

Jesus said: “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21). When you read Acts, you can see that Jesus and his followers lived like communist hippies: no private property, no classes, no accumulation of wealth (capital), distributing their production among the community. Why would Jesus live and preach a different thing? He wasn't a hypocrite, right?

Yes, of course you can choose not to live like a communist, it's always an option. But if you choose not to, as Jesus said, you are not perfect, and you are not entering heaven.

I know you don't like this. This causes you emotional distress. I understand all that, sorry for that. But that's what Jesus said and did. If you have trouble with this, go and speak to your Lord. Nothing else I can do. Just reading from the Bible here.

Much love




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posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 08:46 PM
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Stop lying. Jesus himself said his kingdom is not of this world and as such Jesus/God's views and way of life would not be part of any form of government that exists or has existed on Earth, except on Eden.

I lived under communism, 110 million people have been murdered by communists like yourself, and millions more have been sent to Gulags, concentration camps and indoctrination camps. I still have family living under communism, and the world according to how Jesus/Elohim/God want would not be lead by any earthly government.

Stop defending a system that is dictatorial, denies the right to religion, denies human basic rights to individuals, and to most people living under such oppression... Enough of this BS... Not to mention the FACT that Elohim/God led his chosen people, the Jewish people, away from the Egyptian dictatorship. But you claim they would support your communist dictatorial system?...





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posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 08:57 PM
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I'm just going to jump in here and
point something out . . .
Did Jesus expect his mom Mary to rid all
possessions and follow him ?
Absolutely not.
That is because Jesus was directing the comment
mainly to the jewish pharisees
the 'money changers' as he put it. and
to new recruits/teachers . . .

Just saying


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posted on Mar, 21 2023 @ 09:40 PM
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When you read Acts, and you find the description of how Jesus and his followers lived, you can see that he lived like a communist hippie with his buddies:

“Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.” (Acts 4: 32–35)

Just reading from the Bible.



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