Sanity check: US shooting down a Russian aircraft will NOT start a nuclear war

originally posted by: bounder
Probably not, but you never know....

You would think a nuclear armed world would be a polite world, but I guess not.

There's a youtube video of a neighbors argument over snow removal that ended in gunplay and ALL dead.
Over snow. That melts.

Something in the vax.. I've notice some really crazy s#it since the pandemic magically ended overnight when Biden became president and Democrats stole power.

A few incidents prompted me to install a permanent holster in my vehicle along with a can of brake clean I leave behind the passengers seat (way better than pepper spray)

One white guy started freaking out on everyone for not wearing a mask in line at 7-11 including the employees, it was a super long line but mask mandates were at business and the people's discretion in my state... People just started walking out and trying to get some distance from that dude.

Another incident was over some cheese (or too little actually) on a freaking taco at a new taco bell in a very nice neighborhood but it was built within walking radius of low income housing which communities are required to have.

Place was full of family and kids and this black lady wouldn't let up, screaming a the top of her kings throwing food behind the counter and slamming the tray on the ground.

Plus with all the Democrat rioting and looting and burning businesses and vehicles I just decided to play it safer now.

The times they are a changin'

a reply to: face23785

No but like what some others had said in the past.

What will start a a war with Russia is by shooting down Russian planes whatever that be in Syria or Ukraine.

a reply to: iamthevirus

One white guy started freaking out on everyone for not wearing a mask in line at 7-11 including the employees, it was a super long line but mask mandates were at business and the people's discretion in my state... People just started walking out and trying to get some distance from that dude.

Shameful on that, did he know that the rest of the world has moved on?

a reply to: vNex92

No doubt, I can't remember exactly what set that guy off but I couldn't help but make a FB post about it to my family and close friends, I'll have to go back and check. Odd thing was there was still some plastic divider up that was temporary installed and it was his turn at the register.

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
a reply to: face23785
History may tell us that downing a Russian lane has not yet started a nuclear war.
But history cannot tell us the true state of Putins mind as it is today.

Yeah I said pretty much the same thing in my OP. Except I'm not worried about Putin's mental state. There was a lot of that talk in the early days of the war, but you hear a lot less of it from the "experts" now, because they were all wrong. If he was crazy and really thought he was going to win in a week and he was just itching to start lobbing nukes, he'd have done it by now. I'd be more worried about miscalculation, a la Saddam deciding to invade Kuwait because he was convinced the West wouldn't do anything but sanctions in response.

I don't think he is bluffing about using nukes-but It would likely take more than one downed plane.
A full assault on Crimea might do it,which the Ukrainians claim they will take back,so I guess we will find out.

I disagree. Even if Ukraine succeeded in taking back Crimea, that's not an existential threat to Putin. You have to keep in mind that any decision to escalate to nuclear war is essentially a decision to commit suicide. Does anyone genuinely think Putin is willing to die for Crimea? I doubt many people believe that.

I also think there are those on both sides who believe a nuke or two won't lead to an all out global nuclear war.
Which is a crazy gamble IMO

I agree. It's possible to have limited nuclear conflict, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. And I don't think Putin or Biden would either.

I agree completely simply he isn't going to use nukes in Ukraine because he would be a pariah and he would never be able to unite Ukrainians as his stated goal. Even in the eastern regions, he would bleed off some support. Additionally, he isn't gonna use nukes elsewhere as it would garner a heavy response if not complete annihilation.

Ummm...actually...the reason is historical...President Vladimir Putin could care less if others attempt to hang the pariah descriptor on him...He simply doesn't acknowledge any other entity as possessing the requisite character...honor...or integrity...to possess a clean enough conscience...to be able to pass any judgement...

The honest answer is that He would not wish to irradiate historical Russian land...and quite frankly does not enjoy being forced to advance this military objective...

It's obvious how measured he's been when he could have simply carpet bombed the entire Ukraine from the stratosphere...

Everything he's done so far has been measured...methodical...goal oriented...

Had the US and NATO not funneled in hundreds of billions of dollars in support and hardware...this would have been over long ago...and well over a hundred thousand Ukrainians would be alive...at home with their families...

However...the Biden administration said no to the proposals from Russia before this Special Military operation began...and since then we've heard from Angela Merkel...Franscois Hollande...Petro Poroshenko and Zelinskyy all stating that the Minsk agreements were a bold faced lie...

YouSir

Umm no you just said basically the same thing with more words. It's there in the second part of the first sentence of my post, I stated

I agree completely simply he isn't going to use nukes in Ukraine because he would be a pariah he would never be able to unite Ukrainians as his stated goal

There's nothing ambiguous about that statement at all