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The Real War Satan is Waging

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posted on Mar, 16 2023 @ 10:20 PM
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a reply to: ltrz2025

All of your statements are false. Satan is the father of all liars. It is natural for him to lie. He is also double crossing all who follow him, because he hates all humanity. He is Baal. He is pleased with abortion, just as he was thousands of years ago. He the death of unborn children. Wen a society practices child sacrifice such as abortion, that same society begins their descent to destruction. All societies practicing abortion will be warned, punished, then destroyed.



posted on Mar, 16 2023 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: visitedbythem

This one is very interesting. I do like the animation style.



Ive watched CJ's videos. He kind of jumped the gun on the rapture one. We all have to be careful. He is right on a lot of stuff though.

Dr Barnett has some awesome revelation videos. I think he is DBMS on Youtube.



posted on Mar, 17 2023 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: visitedbythem
a reply to: ltrz2025

All of your statements are false. Satan is the father of all liars. It is natural for him to lie. He is also double crossing all who follow him, because he hates all humanity. He is Baal. He is pleased with abortion, just as he was thousands of years ago. He the death of unborn children. Wen a society practices child sacrifice such as abortion, that same society begins their descent to destruction. All societies practicing abortion will be warned, punished, then destroyed.



First of all, abortion wasn't the subject here, and if you ask my opinion on it, I'm 100% against abortion, and I agree with you, it's child sacrifice. That being said, until you are able to show any "real proof" of the guy, Satan is just a fictional character invented by the Church to keep all the sheep compliant, in cognitive dissonance and scared. If you want to waste your time and brain in believing that, suit yourself, but don't expect me to share your own delusion, my guy. Best to you, much love.



posted on Mar, 17 2023 @ 05:14 PM
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Eschatology is the original doom porn . Revelations was extremely unpopular in the Nicene get together & is seldom read from in all Eastern Orthodox churches. Humans want to control God by thinking they know God’s ways , but it just proves the narcissistic selfish thoughts of God’s followers.



posted on Mar, 18 2023 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: SecrettoSociety
Eschatology is the original doom porn . Revelations was extremely unpopular in the Nicene get together & is seldom read from in all Eastern Orthodox churches. Humans want to control God by thinking they know God’s ways , but it just proves the narcissistic selfish thoughts of God’s followers.




For some interesting observations on Revelation, who it was written for, and how you can understand it see this post:

Who Are the Real Rulers of the World

The angel that gave the perplexing prophecies to Daniel, toward the end of his life, that he did not understand, told him that in the time of the end those having insight would rove to and fro through the scriptures, and that the true knowledge would become abundant.-Daniel 12:4. The fact that you need certain prophecies in Revelation to understand the ones revealed to Daniel, and vice versa, proves that it wasn't a work of human origin, creation, or manipulation. It would also explain why it wouldn't be until the time of the end that they would be decoded.

So in God's appointed time, he reveals, by means of his holy spirit, the outworking of his good will and his purposes to his servants.



posted on Mar, 18 2023 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety
Eschatology is the original doom porn . Revelations was extremely unpopular in the Nicene get together & is seldom read from in all Eastern Orthodox churches. Humans want to control God by thinking they know God’s ways , but it just proves the narcissistic selfish thoughts of God’s followers.




For some interesting observations on Revelation, who it was written for, and how you can understand it see this post:

Who Are the Real Rulers of the World

The angel that gave the perplexing prophecies to Daniel, toward the end of his life, that he did not understand, told him that in the time of the end those having insight would rove to and fro through the scriptures, and that the true knowledge would become abundant.-Daniel 12:4. The fact that you need certain prophecies in Revelation to understand the ones revealed to Daniel, and vice versa, proves that it wasn't a work of human origin, creation, or manipulation. It would also explain why it wouldn't be until the time of the end that they would be decoded.

So in God's appointed time, he reveals, by means of his holy spirit, the outworking of his good will and his purposes to his servants.
Revelations was written about Rome at it’s time . Revelations has nothing to with waiting for God to return



posted on Mar, 18 2023 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety
Eschatology is the original doom porn . Revelations was extremely unpopular in the Nicene get together & is seldom read from in all Eastern Orthodox churches. Humans want to control God by thinking they know God’s ways , but it just proves the narcissistic selfish thoughts of God’s followers.




For some interesting observations on Revelation, who it was written for, and how you can understand it see this post:

Who Are the Real Rulers of the World

The angel that gave the perplexing prophecies to Daniel, toward the end of his life, that he did not understand, told him that in the time of the end those having insight would rove to and fro through the scriptures, and that the true knowledge would become abundant.-Daniel 12:4. The fact that you need certain prophecies in Revelation to understand the ones revealed to Daniel, and vice versa, proves that it wasn't a work of human origin, creation, or manipulation. It would also explain why it wouldn't be until the time of the end that they would be decoded.

So in God's appointed time, he reveals, by means of his holy spirit, the outworking of his good will and his purposes to his servants.
Revelations was written about Rome at it’s time . Revelations has nothing to with waiting for God to return


Many mistakenly make the assumption that Revelation was already fulfilled in the past. Others make the mistake of taking many of the symbols in Revelation literally. So how are we to understand Revelation and when is it fulfilled? We are told in the very first chapter of the book. Revelation 1:1 states:

"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John."-Revelation 1:1.

So it was presented in "signs", or symbols of things that would "shortly take place". It was given the "slaves" of God. So it was not meant for the world of mankind in general. Although God's servants can enlighten others about what these prophecies mean.

So John was given a prophecy of things that were to "shortly take place." When?:

"By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day."Revelation 1:10.

So it is for "the Lord's day" or the last days, in which we are living.
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posted on Mar, 18 2023 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety
Eschatology is the original doom porn . Revelations was extremely unpopular in the Nicene get together & is seldom read from in all Eastern Orthodox churches. Humans want to control God by thinking they know God’s ways , but it just proves the narcissistic selfish thoughts of God’s followers.




For some interesting observations on Revelation, who it was written for, and how you can understand it see this post:

Who Are the Real Rulers of the World

The angel that gave the perplexing prophecies to Daniel, toward the end of his life, that he did not understand, told him that in the time of the end those having insight would rove to and fro through the scriptures, and that the true knowledge would become abundant.-Daniel 12:4. The fact that you need certain prophecies in Revelation to understand the ones revealed to Daniel, and vice versa, proves that it wasn't a work of human origin, creation, or manipulation. It would also explain why it wouldn't be until the time of the end that they would be decoded.

So in God's appointed time, he reveals, by means of his holy spirit, the outworking of his good will and his purposes to his servants.
Revelations was written about Rome at it’s time . Revelations has nothing to with waiting for God to return


Many mistakenly make the assumption that Revelation was already fulfilled in the past. Others make the mistake of taking many of the symbols in Revelation literally. So how are we to understand Revelation and when is it fulfilled? We are told in the very first chapter of the book. Revelation 1:1 states:

"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John."-Revelation 1:1.

So it was presented in "signs", or symbols of things that would "shortly take place". It was given the "slaves" of God. So it was not meant for the world of mankind in general. Although God's servants can enlighten others about what these prophecies mean.

So John was given a prophecy of things that were to "shortly take place." When?:

"By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day."Revelation 1:10.

So it is for "the Lord's day" or the last days, in which we are living.
No one knows what Revelations truly means as is was written by a man inhaling Acacia bark smoke. The Bible is book assembled out of thousands of scribbles & ideas by Rome .
1400 men were given 30 days to assemble the Bible & Rome & the Israelites had the final say before Eusibius had 50 scribed into existence.
Have you read the ancient church fathers , do you understand how the bible came into being & do you realize that the Bible is filled with errors , add ons , removals as well as Paul not being inline with Jesus movement at all as James twice displayed.



posted on Mar, 18 2023 @ 11:56 PM
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Are you suggesting that only Jehovah's Witnesses are 'true anointed Christians'...? That all others are 'paganised', and 'weeds'...? If that is what you are suggesting, then for all your good intentions you are categorically, 100% incorrect in that assumption.

God looks at the heart. We cannot say of the Kingdom: It is here, it is there - instead the Kingdom of Heavenn is in the hearts of true believers everywhere. The rapture, for example, will take people from every denomination, every tribe, tongue, colour & creed - all who have true, refined faith in Christ Jesus & His atoning sacrifice, whether they be Roman Catholic, Baptists, Evangelicals, Anglican, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and so on. There are deeply flawed heretical beliefs in the Jehovah's Witnesses faith, for example conflating the person of the Archangel Michael with the person of Jesus Christ Himself, when they are clearly two entirely separate beings. This doesn't necessarily mean that true-hearted persons who have a pure faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus who are members of the Jehovah's Witnesses won't be accepted into the Lord's Kingdom, but it is apparent that there are false teachers polluting the pure gospel of Jesus in that faith group.

From what I understand you also believe that there are no current spiritual gifts poured out via the Holy Spirit, with the exception of the 'natural' gifts of teaching & pastoral support.

This denial of the living, active presence of the Holy Spirit in the lives & hearts of believers today, denying that the baptisms of water & the Holy Spirit make us a kingdom of priests under the authority of Jesus Christ Himself, is a severe flaw in the teachings professed by JWs. I can affirm that there are indeed multiple spiritual gifts available to believers today, as described by the Apostle Paul in several of his letters, including the gift of praying in tongues, interpretation of tongues, intercession, prophecy, apostolic dispensation, words of knowledge, wisdom (visionary states), healing, [discernment of spirits/ deliverance ministry], teaching/ pastoral care, care in the community ('helping/ serving'), 'giving' (charitable/philanthropic acts) & so on. I am a firm believer that God also grants occasional dispensation for supernatural workings of miracles & signs, under unique circumstances according to His providential will.

Yes, false teachers spring up all over the place & we are to be watchful to ensure we are not dragged into their heretical belief systems. Thing is, you seem to be preaching that there is only one true denomination, that being Jehovah's Witnesses, all others being excluded as weeds, goats, tares & so on. This in fact is an entirely inverted presentation of the facts. There are several heretical beliefs exalted in the Jehovah's Witness movement, and in fact it stands out as a generally understood to be heretical grouping. The majority of Christian denominations are far closer to the truth then the JWs, who are seen as outliers with erroneous beliefs, spreading certain dangerous teachings which lead people away from the truth. You can't claim exclusivity for your denomination - the Catholic church does that too, and indeed there are multiple heretical (or at least scripturally incorrect) beliefs in that denomination, such as the exaltation of Mary as the Queen of Heaven, the forced requirement to call priests 'father' (which is crazy, seeing as Jesus literally said "Call no man on Earth your father, you have one Father, who is in Heaven". But again - individuals who are part of those groups are not necessarily outside of the Kingdom of God; however the structure of the organisation's beliefs & the leadership are way out of line as compared with almost all of the other 8,000+ denominations of Christianity, the bulk of which are slight variations on an Anglican theme.



posted on Mar, 19 2023 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I've yet to meet anyone outside the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses who has been anointed with holy spirit and called as a spirit son of God. Many are told they are and just believe it. I am not saying God can't do what he wants, but the illustration is very clear that during the time of the end he would separate false imitation Christians from genuine anointed Christians, the weeds and the wheat.

There is only one true faith and one true baptism:


"One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."-Ephesians 4:4-6.



posted on Mar, 24 2023 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment

God looks at the heart. We cannot say of the Kingdom: It is here, it is there - instead the Kingdom of Heavenn is in the hearts of true believers everywhere.

Many Christian denominations teach that the Kingdom of God is within a person, or in someone’s heart. For example, in the United States, the Southern Baptist Convention declared that the Kingdom of God is in part “the reign of God in the heart and life of the individual.” Similarly, in his book Jesus of Nazareth, Pope Benedict XVI stated that “the Kingdom of God comes by way of a listening heart.”

Some people have become confused about the location of the Kingdom by the rendering of Luke 17:21 in some Bible translations. For example, the King James Version says that “the kingdom of God is within you.” To understand this verse correctly, we must consider the context.

Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, a group of religious leaders who opposed him and shared in arranging for his execution. (Matthew 12:14; Luke 17:20) Does it make sense to think that the Kingdom was a condition in their obstinate hearts? Jesus told them: “Inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.”​—Matthew 23:27, 28.

Other translations accurately clarify Jesus’ statement at Luke 17:21: “God’s kingdom is here with you.” (Contemporary English Version) “The Kingdom of God is among you.” (New World Translation, footnote) The Kingdom of heaven was “with” or “among” the Pharisees, in that Jesus, the one designated by God to rule as King, was standing before them.​—Luke 1:​32, 33.

Luke 17:21 (NW, Study Edition)

nor will people say, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.

No, God’s Kingdom is not merely a condition in the hearts of Christians. The Bible identifies its true location by calling it “the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 4:​17, King James Version) Consider how the Bible shows it to be a real government that is ruling from heaven.

- God’s Kingdom has rulers, subjects, laws, and a mandate to establish the will of God in heaven and on the earth.​—Matthew 6:​10; Revelation 5:​10.

- God’s government, or Kingdom, will rule over all “the peoples, nations, and language groups” of the earth. (Daniel 7:​13, 14) The authority for its rulership comes, not from its subjects, but directly from God.​—Psalm 2:​4-6; Isaiah 9:7.

- Jesus told his faithful apostles that they would join him in the Kingdom of heaven to “sit on thrones.”​—Luke 22:28, 30.

- The Kingdom has enemies, which it will destroy.​—Psalm 2:​1, 2, 8, 9; 110:​1, 2; 1 Corinthians 15:25, 26.

The Bible does not teach that the Kingdom of heaven is in your heart in the sense that it rules through a person’s heart. However, it does show that the “word of the Kingdom” or the “good news of the Kingdom” can and should affect our hearts.​—Matthew 13:19; 24:14.

Is God’s Kingdom in Your Heart?

Many today believe that the answer to the above question is yes. For example, The Catholic Encyclopedia asserts: “The kingdom of God means . . . the ruling of God in our hearts.” The clergy commonly teach this idea. Does the Bible really teach that God’s Kingdom resides in human hearts?

Some think that Jesus himself first promoted the idea that God’s Kingdom lies within the hearts of humans. Jesus did say: “Look! The kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Luke 17:21) Some translations here say: “The kingdom of God is within you” or even “inside you.” Are those accurate renderings of Jesus’ expression? Did he really mean that God’s Kingdom is found in human hearts?

First, consider what the human heart is. When referred to in the Bible, the figurative heart means the inner person, the source of a person’s thoughts, attitudes, and feelings. The idea that something as sublime as the Kingdom of God resides within the human heart​—in the way it changes and ennobles people, for example—​may sound appealing, but does it stand to reason?

The Bible tells us: “The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate.” (Jeremiah 17:9) Jesus himself said: “From inside, out of the heart of men, injurious reasonings issue forth: fornications, thieveries, murders, adulteries, covetings, acts of wickedness.” (Mark 7:20-22) Consider: Cannot much of the misery that we see in the world today be traced back to the sinful hearts of humans? So how could God’s perfect Kingdom come from such a source? Really, the human heart could no more produce God’s Kingdom than a thistle could produce figs.​—Matthew 7:16.

Second, consider the audience Jesus was addressing when he spoke the words found at Luke 17:21. The preceding verse reads: “On being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them.” (Luke 17:20) The Pharisees were Jesus’ enemies. Jesus stated that those hypocrites were not going to enter God’s Kingdom. (Matthew 23:13) Now if the Pharisees were not to enter God’s Kingdom, could the Kingdom be in their hearts? Impossible! What, then, did Jesus mean?

In rendering these words of Jesus, a number of careful Bible translations use wording similar to that found in the New World Translation. Some say that the Kingdom is “among you” or “in the midst of you.” How was God’s Kingdom among those people at that time, including the Pharisees? Well, Jesus was the one whom Jehovah God appointed to be the King of the Kingdom. As the King-Designate, Jesus was right in the midst of those people. He taught about the Kingdom of God and even performed miracles, giving them a preview of what that Kingdom would accomplish. In a very real sense, then, the Kingdom was in their midst.

Clearly, there is no Scriptural support for the notion that the Kingdom of God is in the hearts of humans. Rather, it is an actual government, one that will effect dramatic changes on the earth, just as the prophets foretold.​—Isaiah 9:6, 7; Daniel 2:44.

Pardon some redundancy (I was thinking about skipping some of the points that I already made, but seeing that it's phrased slightly differently, I decided to keep it as it is; it wasn't that long anyway).



posted on Mar, 24 2023 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
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Yes, false teachers spring up all over the place & we are to be watchful to ensure we are not dragged into their heretical belief systems. ...; however the structure of the organisation's beliefs & the leadership are way out of line as compared with almost all of the other 8,000+ denominations of Christianity, the bulk of which are slight variations on an Anglican theme.

The bulk of which are Trinitarians. And that's the real (main) issue concerning heretical teachings here (or the main difference with Jehovah's witnesses if you will)...

Context (playlist):

He is a liar! (part 1 of 2)


originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
... whether they be Roman Catholic, Baptists, Evangelicals, Anglican, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and so on.

All the ones you mentioned there are Trinitarians. Did you know what Isaac Newton said about those who teach or pomote Trinitarian dogma? See after 7 minutes in the video below (you may have to watch on youtube, for me it won't load on this site, but it works on YT):

Remember that those clips are taken from a documentary made by Trinitarians, so they won't really go into the detailed Biblical texts that Newton used to refute the doctrine of the Trinity, but those were the same ones already used in the other videos I linked (not sure if all of them are brought up, but at least most of them). More details regarding Newton's argumentation can be found here:

Isaac Newton's Search for God

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NEWTON WRESTLES WITH THE TRINITY DOCTRINE

In his writings, Newton gave much attention to the doctrine of the Trinity. One of his most outstanding contributions to the Biblical scholarship of the time was his work An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture, first published in 1754, twenty-seven years after his death. It reviewed all the textual evidence available from ancient sources on two Bible passages, at First John 5:7 and First Timothy 3:16.

In the King James Version Bible, First John 5:7 reads:

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

Using early Church writers, the Greek and Latin manuscripts and the testimony of the first versions of the Bible, Newton proved that the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one,” in support of the Trinity doctrine, did not appear in the original inspired Greek Scriptures. He then traced the way in which the spurious reading crept into the Latin versions, first as a marginal note, and later into the text itself. He showed that it was first taken into a Greek text in 1515 by Cardinal Ximenes on the strength of a late Greek manuscript corrected from the Latin. Finally, Newton considered the sense and context of the verse, concluding, “Thus is the sense plain and natural, and the argument full and strong; but if you insert the testimony of ‘the Three in Heaven’ you interrupt and spoil it.”4

The shorter portion of this dissertation was concerned with 1 Timothy 3:16, which reads (King James Version):

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

Newton showed how, by a small alteration in the Greek text, the word “God” was inserted to make the phrase read “God was manifest in the flesh.” [whereislogic: NW reads: “He was made manifest in flesh”. Likewise ESV, NIV, BSB, NASB, ASV, ERV, ISV, and scores of other Bible translations now have “He”.] He demonstrated that early Church writers in referring to the verse knew nothing of such an alteration.

Summing up both passages, Newton said: “If the ancient churches in debating and deciding the greatest mysteries of religion, knew nothing of these two texts, I understand not, why we should be so fond of them now the debates are over.”5 In the two hundred years and more since that treatise was compiled by Isaac Newton, only a few minor corrections have been necessary to the evidence he adduced. Yet it was only in the nineteenth century that Bible translations appeared correcting these passages. ...

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His conclusion was even more emphatic:

“Even General Councils have erred and may err in matters of faith, and what they decree as necessary to salvation is of no strength or authority unless they can be shown to be taken from the holy Scripture.”10

Newton’s principal reason for rejecting the Trinity was that when he sought to verify the statements of the creeds and the councils he found no support in Scripture for the doctrine.

In weighing this evidence, Newton firmly held that reasoning should be used. He argued that nothing created by God was without purpose and reason, and Bible teachings would be sustained by similar application of logic and reason. Speaking of the apostle John’s writings, Newton said: “I have that honour for him as to believe that he wrote good sense; and therefore take that sense to be his which is the best.”11 So, as a second reason for rejecting the Trinity teaching, Newton declared: “Homoousion [the doctrine that the Son is of the same substance as the Father] is unintelligible. ’Twas not understood in the Council of Nice, nor ever since. What cannot be understood is no object of belief.”12

Dealing with this same aspect of the Trinity is a Newton manuscript entitled “Queries Regarding the Word Homoousios.” It reveals a third reason for his denial of the Trinity. This teaching was not part of early Christianity. Queries twelve to fourteen all highlight the doctrine’s lack of original first-century character:

“Query 12. Whether the opinion of the equality of the three substances was not first set on foot in the reign of Julian the Apostate [361-363 C.E.], by Athanasius, Hilary, etc.?

Query 13. Whether the worship of the Holy Ghost was not first set on foot presently after the Council of Sardica? [343 C.E.]

Query 14. Whether the Council of Sardica was not the first Council which declared for the doctrine of the Consubstantial Trinity?”13

In another manuscript, now preserved in Jerusalem, Newton summed up the only answer to such questions. “We are commanded by the Apostle (2 Timothy 1:13) to hold fast the form of sound words. Contending for a language which was not handed down from the Prophets and Apostles is a breach of the command and they that break it are also guilty of the disturbances and schisms occasioned thereby. It is not enough to say that an article of faith may be deduced from scripture. It must be exprest in the very form of sound words in which it was delivered by the Apostles.” 14

So on the basis of Scripture, reason and the authentic teaching of early Christianity, Newton found that he could not accept the doctrine of the Trinity. ...

Perhaps the best summary of Isaac Newton’s Scriptural arguments for his repudiation of the Trinity is found in fourteen ‘Argumenta,’ written in Latin, giving Bible citations for many of them. Numbers four to seven are particularly interesting:

“4. Because God begot the Son at some time, he had not existence from eternity. Proverbs 8:23, 25.

5. Because the Father is greater than the Son. John 14:28.

6. Because the Son did not know his last hour. Mark 13:32, Matt. 24:36, Rev. 1:1, 5:3.

7. Because the Son received all things from the Father.”18

A perusal of Newton’s religious writings cannot fail to impress the reader with their thoroughness, and a realization of his long and deep meditation, his scholarly ability and grasp of the original Bible languages. His conclusions regarding the Trinity therefore merit our respect and consideration, even though he did not feel constrained to make them public during his lifetime.


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posted on Mar, 25 2023 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: whereislogic
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Some people have become confused about the location of the Kingdom by the rendering of Luke 17:21 in some Bible translations. For example, the King James Version says that “the kingdom of God is within you.” ...

Other translations accurately clarify Jesus’ statement at Luke 17:21: “God’s kingdom is here with you.” (Contemporary English Version) “The Kingdom of God is among you.” (New World Translation, footnote) The Kingdom of heaven was “with” or “among” the Pharisees, in that Jesus, the one designated by God to rule as King, was standing before them.​—Luke 1:​32, 33.

So just like I did with 1 Timothy 3:16 (see 2nd comment, and my additional remark in the article about Newton) you can go to the Biblehub website to compare various translations of Luke 17:21, and you'll see the same pattern, just like most translations listed there have “He” instead of “God” at 1 Tim 3:16*, they have something like “in your midst” instead of “within you” (KJ) at Luke 17:21. *: the ones that have “God” (giving the impression that God was manifested in the flesh) are based on the King James Bible, such as Young's Literal Translation, similarly, those translations that give the impression that the Kingdom of God is “within you” or “inside you”, are the ones based on the KJB. These are the Bible Translations listed on Biblehub that have “in your midst” at Luke 17:21:

New International Version, English Standard Version (“in the midst of you”), Berean Standard Bible, Berean Literal Bible, New American Standard Bible, NASB 1995, NASB 1977, Legacy Standard Bible, Christian Standard Bible, Majority Standard Bible, NET Bible.

The following Bible translations (listed on Biblehub, parallel tab) have “among you” (or something similar):

New Living Translation, Amplified Bible (which even mentions the same point mentioned in my comment before: “among you [because of My presence].”), Holman Christian Standard Bible, Contemporary English Version (“here with you”), International Standard Version, New American Bible, New Revised Standard Version.

That's 17 out of 32 translations listed there, showing a certain amount of agreement amongst these translators (the other translations there are based on or derivative of the KJB, they are usually older). Also perhaps noteworthy is the ASV, which is based on the KJB, so it has “within you” at Luke 17:21, but apparently even the translators of the ASV felt it was necessary to change “God” to “He” at 1 Tim 3:16 (based on the evidence from older manuscripts).

Bible translation is an ongoing field of research and new discoveries that allow for errors to be corrected are discovered all the time, or they clear up something that was previously misinterpreted, causing a confusing rendering, especially in the KJB with its use of medieval English.

Some additional background on the KJB and how it became popular (because it contains some information why I said the ASV is based on the KJB, as well as interesting insight into this ongoing field of Bible translation research and discoveries, in particular concerning English translations and the first English translations):

Here are some details surrounding the "corruption" of 1 Timothy 3:16 in the KJB (as Newton called it), how it crept in there, as explained by a Unitarian (concerning the bleed-through effect from a word on the other side of the page):

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posted on Mar, 25 2023 @ 04:03 PM
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Pffft…from whence Evil cometh? I don’t think you guys are fearing God as much as you guys should be fearing! Hell, God just wanted to play Chess with a friend. Hell, God even planned giving Satan the ruler ship of hell, by his own decree(apparently this all true) to do epic battles.
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posted on Mar, 25 2023 @ 06:43 PM
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You say of satan.
"by destroying him after his 1,000 year reign over the earth"
its been 2,000 years??????
so the wars over and satan is dead?

So you are a false profit or the bible if false!
I say both!



posted on Mar, 25 2023 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: buddha
You say of satan.
"by destroying him after his 1,000 year reign over the earth"
its been 2,000 years??????
so the wars over and satan is dead?

So you are a false profit or the bible if false!
I say both!


You misunderstand. Christ has not begun his reign over the earth. True he is ruling in heaven. But he did tell us to pray for God to bring that kingdom to earth and have it do unto earth as it is in the heaven. He begins his rule over humankind after Daniel 2:44 is fulfilled. Jesus is going to wage war with all the kings of the earth, and all ungodly people will be destroyed. This is called in Revelation 16:16 the battle of Armageddon. The kingdom rule does not begin until AFTER Armageddon. At that time there will be no human governments on earth. Satan will not be roaming the earth with his demons, for they will be abyssed for the 1,000 years so that they cannot mislead anyone until after the 1,000 years have ended and they must be let lose for a little while.

The demons know of the abyss to which they will be thrown. When Jesus approached one demon-possessed man they pleaded with Jesus not to throw them into the abyss before their time:

"Jesus asked him: “What is your name?” He said: “Legion,” for many demons had entered into him.  And they kept pleading with him not to order them to go away into the abyss."-Luke 8:30-31.
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posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 02:05 PM
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the current crises in various areas; Ukraine/ American dollar inflation/ nukes v russia-usa-china etc.... things associated with the Dragon tryng to send a flood after the 'woman' fleeing to a wilderness for safety


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posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 06:02 PM
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There is only one true faith and one true baptism:


I had a dream the other night. I was walking someone else's child down a path that abruptly came to an end. The child fell of the end of a path, down a cliff, to his death. Being mortified, I did not want to face the child's father telling him that his child was dead. I was thinking about jumping down the cliff myself when I found myself walking down the same path again with a second child. The second child falling down the cliff to his death as well.

The children were symbolic of the masses. The father symbolic for God. Before we can save people we need to process the ability within ourselves to correctly guide people down the correct path. But here is the thing. Everyone has different beliefs. So the chances that my belief's being correct are against the odd's. I am not willing to risk the death of children on basis that my beliefs be correct.

Gods words are written in peoples hearts, not in books. Being humble before God is dismissing all our minds beliefs before Him. God existing in the silence, not the noise, of our minds thoughts.

I do believe you have a good heart randomuser. But I don't hear your heart speaking, only your mind.



posted on Mar, 27 2023 @ 10:35 AM
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There is only one true faith and one true baptism:


I had a dream the other night. I was walking someone else's child down a path that abruptly came to an end. The child fell of the end of a path, down a cliff, to his death. Being mortified, I did not want to face the child's father telling him that his child was dead. I was thinking about jumping down the cliff myself when I found myself walking down the same path again with a second child. The second child falling down the cliff to his death as well.

The children were symbolic of the masses. The father symbolic for God. Before we can save people we need to process the ability within ourselves to correctly guide people down the correct path. But here is the thing. Everyone has different beliefs. So the chances that my belief's being correct are against the odd's. I am not willing to risk the death of children on basis that my beliefs be correct.

Gods words are written in peoples hearts, not in books. Being humble before God is dismissing all our minds beliefs before Him. God existing in the silence, not the noise, of our minds thoughts.

I do believe you have a good heart randomuser. But I don't hear your heart speaking, only your mind.


It is not my heart you should be listening for. God is the one that speaks through his word. He is the one that says:

"Do not be afraid, for I am with you.
Do not be anxious, for I am your God.
I will fortify you, yes, I will help you,
I will really hold on to you with my right hand of righteousness.’"
-Isaiah 41:10.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Can I share something with you? A few weeks ago while I was visiting my parents in Denver we logged into Zoom to watch the meeting here in Mexico I attend to watch my kid and my wife both give a talk. The dogs wanted out right about when the meeting was going to start. My dad went to take the them out and he saw an older mother and her son struggling, walking with groceries (88 and 65 years old), it was bitter cold out. And he told them to come in to rest. Well they came in and my mom went to the dining area where they were sitting to attend to them and I started to sing the song and we had the prayer. And then I saw them stick their faces around the corner to the living room and they asked if they could join in on the meeting.

That Sunday they came back. And Jose (not real name) told me something had clicked that Thursday night. That he had found the truth. And he has been calling me on WhatsApp and talking and studying. And yesterday he went to the Kingdom Hall with my parents. He went unkempt on purpose he told me to see how people would react to him "because people can be superficial" He said he felt true love from everyone. It was like walking into a different world. And said he could not believe that after decades of searching for God he had finally found him. As if the fetters over his eyes just fell.

That is the operation of the holy spirit and God's power at work. No man could ever see if God does not open their eyes. The truth is simple. It is easy to understand. And yet for some reason a spirit of sleep and blindness settles over the majority of humankind. Even when shown the light they don't see it.

It takes a miracle to see the truth. Even though it is extremely simple and easy to understand.
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posted on Mar, 27 2023 @ 10:43 AM
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the current crises in various areas; Ukraine/ American dollar inflation/ nukes v russia-usa-china etc.... things associated with the Dragon tryng to send a flood after the 'woman' fleeing to a wilderness for safety


related video, 52 minutes: usawatchdog.com...


usa boots in crimea- 3 weeks from now...SLBMs russia fires dummy nukes at usa in demonstration stunt after easter


The woman is God's celestial organization. The main offspring of the woman, Jesus Christ, is in heaven, out of Satan's reach, as he has been confined to the earth (Revelation 12:9). The dragon, Satan, wages war with the woman by attacking the remaining of the secondary offspring, the remnant of the 144,000 on earth. The war is waged against these anointed Christian witnesses, and they are found among Jehovah's Witnesses. The flood he sends is by means of what the OP described, in cases it can be direct assault by the governmental officials to ban their preaching and teaching work as has been done in the Russian Federation.







 
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