Toroidal Magnetohydrodynamic Flat Earth System..

originally posted by: ltrz2025
Good to see that in this forum, people have still some common sense and haven't fell for the flat earth PSY-OP issued by the CIA. Remember every single person with an internet platform pushing the idea of a flat earth, they are ALL controlled opposition.

Are you serious ? For real you really believe your post?

a reply to: Dalamax

The Earth's shape is ellipsoid thanks to gravity hammering it throughout its lifetime like all other planets in our solar system.

Gravity, along with Earth's rotation, causes the poles of Earth to be squeezed while the area along the equator bulges. This lends to Earth being an oblate spheroid.

Gravity pulls everything toward the Earth's core Dalamax hence helped shape our world to be spherical.

You will just simply have to deal with that fact.

Then there is the photographic evidence that confirms the shape of our Earth.

Plenty of evidence all over the star system as to what gravity does, aka the other 8 planets and their shape.

Then there is our star which gravity also helped shape by way of pulling together the large clouds of gas and dust particles common across regions of the galaxy aka our beloved Milky Way.

Simple as that really to anyone with half a brain and eyes to see.

a reply to: Dalamax

What about the rings of Saturn? They’re kind of flatish.

That's down to something called an "asymmetric gravity field around the planet".

Which is caused because just like our Earth, Saturn is an oblate spheroid, that is in ""rotation"".

And before you ask why they rotate.

Our planets have continued spinning because of inertia. In the vacuum of space, spinning objects maintain their momentum and direction — their spin — because no external forces have been applied to stop them.

Have a nice day.

On Saturn that would last about 10.7 hours by the way.

a reply to: Dalamax

How did the ancients navigate in the purple dawn of time? In Prehistory, before the separation of the waters, when the world was still misty and there was no moon?

Humans had not even evolved when Pangea was about aka all the land still somewhat of a supercontinent.

Pangea broke up about 194 million years before the first ancestors of humans were on Earth.

So as to navigation, that would be not at all.

As to the moon well she is estimated to have been around for the last 4.53 billion years, and once again long before humans in their present form evolved on Earth.

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

The Ancient Greeks!? Gotta go back even more time than that. Maybe even 6000-12,000 BC or more to the times when places like Lascaux and the Perigord caves

Very true AlexandrosTheGreat and you wont get any argument from me as to her shape.

I simply used "the Ancient Greeks" as an example down to the fact that its documented via "Hellenistic astronomy" and Eratosthenes.

In the 3rd century BC, Hellenistic astronomy established the roughly spherical shape of Earth as a physical fact and calculated the Earth's circumference.

Any human that has ever struck a stick in the ground and watched the angle and length of the shadow cast by the Sun change can deduce the shape of our world and that it's rotating.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Gothmog

I know that a load of peeps that subscribe to the flat earth mumbo-jumbo choose to place their beliefs in the likes of some kind of "firmament" whatever it may be.

Well, where religion is concerned, it's one thing to believe in something you cannot see, touch, or otherwise prove or disprove its existence (God). That is called faith.

But to choose to disbelieve what all of your senses and the available information tell you is true - well, that takes a special kind of stupid.

a reply to: tanstaafl

But to choose to disbelieve what all of your senses and the available information tell you is true - well, that takes a special kind of stupid.

I totally agree tanstaafl.

As those 4 short videos posted on the first page of the thread clearly demonstrate.

originally posted by: DevotedResearcher
a reply to: WhatItIs

In my opinion, we the people worldwide who are genuine truth-seekers need to start from scratch using the technology we have today to examine nature and see what develops.

Ok, I'll start...

What is a woman?

a reply to: tanstaafl

I think DevotedResearcher is no longer a member or managed to get a ban tanstaafl.

originally posted by: DevotedResearcher
a reply to: WhatItIs

What I'm saying is that first, the "giggle factor" needs to

Well... some things are just funny whether or not it hurts someone else's feelz...

All people on forums need to admit to themselves that we the people worldwide have been lied to by "the powers that be" with impunity.

I think everyone here knows that to at least some degree, but yeah, some more than others.

So, a new world of science needs to be created.

No, not really, just a new paradigm that changes a few aspects of the scientific process, like:

1. Elimination of any/all potential sources of 'conflicts of interest', whether financial or reputational,

2. Make the process of challenging even the most well established beliefs/theories much easier, where those challenging have a platform available that is free from ridicule and coercion to make their case, and where those supporting the established belief/theory are required to debate the issue in public, based solely on the merits and without resort to any dogma or inane comments like 'everyone knows' - make this process very similar to how a court of law works, but allowing members of the public to non-anonymously participate in the 'verdict' process (who won the debate) along with the scientific community in general, and

3. Reinforce and establish written rules for said challenges, for things that are already well known, one important example being the use of scientific studies as 'proof' of something.

For this, a detailed rule would be needed that acknowledges the fact that there are different types of studies (ie the 3 different kinds of observational/epidemiological studies, vs the so-called 'gold standard' RCT's (double-blind randomized controlled trials), each of which have different well-established and acknowledged criteria (for example, the number of participants, the length of the study, and many more) that are critical to determining the veracity of said study.

For example, where observational/epidemiological studies are concerned: a) they can only show associations, b) any associations they do show can never prove causation, c) showing no (or a lack of any) association(s) does prove there is no causation, and finally - since it is well known by anyone involved in the scientific process with regard to evaluating published scientific studies that the design of the study is critical to differentiating a good from a bad study - d) a rating system where each criteria for any given study type are assigned a 'weight' factor that added up result in said 'rating', to show at a glance how much credence should be given to any given study, the purpose of which is to prevent anyone from 'winning the argument' based on fallacy (whew, I hope I got that right).

Pretend we don't know anything and we're starting from the beginning.

Well, as long as one is willing to play the part of the challenger in the inevitable debates per the established rules, sure, but one should be prepared to debate those who not only just 'believe' that the earth is spherical, but also have the requisite scientific understanding to allow them to prove it, at least beyond the reasonable doubt of the majority.

Of course, after someone loses a debate, they are free to continue to believe whatever they like, but shouldn't be surprised when the 'giggle factor' rears its ugly head if/when they try to challenge anything else.

I think people worldwide with an aptitude and an interest in science need to share whatever they have from whatever instruments they have at their disposal, and see what develops.

I absolutely agree, especially when it comes to things like radical new technologies, from the new 'solid state batteries' I've been hearing about to so-called 'free energy' devices, the '200+ mph carburetors', engines that run on water (or brown's gas), etc.

For the above I believe the entire concept and process of patents needs to be revisited in a big way that makes it easy for people to be rewarded for their efforts to better society, and at the same time very difficult for new technologies to be hidden/suppressed, especially where they challenge the fortunes of large well established corporations. There are a number of ways this can be done. For example, just make the entire patent system open-source, where anyone can easily patent anything, and where anything patented can be utilized by anyone else (no agreements or permission necessary) for free or a small fee for purely personal use (to be determined by the patent holder), and with a fair royalty-range (from free/none to some maximum amount chosen by the patent holder) based system for commercial use, but this would involve much more detail to determine what a fair maximum royalty would be.

Put all new patents on a blockchain that can prove the who and when for each one. One thing I haven't fully worked out is how to resolve potential duplicates or other patent conflicts - possibly just let the market take care of this if/when new patents are actually utilized as opposed to when they are filed, with some ind of arbitration system.

originally posted by: Dalamax
What about the rings of Saturn? They’re kind of flatish.

a reply to: Gothmog

Don't you know how to Science™ ?

Everything is governed by the absolute, and inviolable Laws-of-Physics™.

That's it end of conv...

Uhmm : what about the exceptions ?

Oh ! Well ok !
But other than that : absolute and inviolable Laws™ !!

Little-Astronomy : The Reason Why Galaxies Are Flat And Not Spherical

Am still waiting for someone to show me one of those specks, that are able to explode into massive universes.
Maybe they sell them at Dollarama™, next to those expanding sponge animals ?
You know : just add water ...

Also : nothing in the universe can travel at speeds faster than light, uhmmm, except for absolutely everything in the universe, during the first instants after the Big-Boom™.

Also there is no sound in Space™ : except when it goes Boom™ and Bang™, or Waves™, apparently ...

You have to believe in Science™ : for it to work...
Where's your Faith™ ?


But don't listen to me, am just a crazy old Uneducated™ fool.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Our motto is to deny ignorance and flat Earth theories are, themselves, ignorant and devoid of all scientific fact.

This is an intermezzo post ... for your mind to be blown ...
(Stepping away from the current discussion)

The Science tells us that there is a Speed of the Light and that it takes some time to reach us ...

If you go out, at night and look at the Stars, following the scientific logic:

You are looking at the "PAST". (BOOM ?)



Then think abot the distance that the light has travelled, then think about the distance that a light may travell if it doesnot bounce against a solid object ...

(Boom ?)

Think about the single ball of light that is going ahead on this ray of light ...

Then think about how much Energy is needed for the light to be able to travell this far.
Ask a question: Does it ever disappear ? Or do the rules of physics and energy conservation do not apply to light ?

I disagree, but I've hears that the Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe, so I can't say anything.

originally posted by: Hombre
i get an idea that you believe that the "flat earth" is limited in some way.

Limited as flat earth has no credible explanation for a sunrise or sunset…

See..

Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: muzzleflash
So I walk about 10 miles a day and really enjoy the sunrises and sunsets on the mountains, anyways as I walk along I see this:

Pics from 3 days over the last few months at sunrise.
Only edit was to compress to fit on ATS.

THE ONLY WAY THE SUN CAN SHINE ON THE BOTTOM OF CLOUDS IS IF ITS BELOW THEM!
THE ONLY WAY IT CAN BE BELOW THEM IS IF THE EARTH IS ROUND!!

I took some of my own impossible flat earth sunrise photos from the other day if you want me to post them.

a reply to: Machshev

All that goes to prove is that there are gullible fools around the globe that refuse to accept the fact that the world is not flat.

a reply to: andy06shake

I was joking, especially with the "all around the GLOBE" comment. Lol.

a reply to: Machshev



That's cool Machshev.

Quite a few jokes are to be had at the expense of peeps that choose to subscribe to the likes of flat Earth mumbo-jumbo.

a reply to: WhatItIs

Thanks, i do love photos ... and startrek ... but no thanks.

as i said in an earlier post, flat earth is not found in a 3 dimensional reality.

But let me ask you a question:
What gain do you have in trying to convince and giving me the evidence that the earth is Round ?

Why are you all so obsessed into defending the round earth ? You could simply read and laugh at the "Silly" beliefs of others.

Why-o-why ...

Anyway, when you start getting paranormal experiences ... (and want to keep getting more of them) ... you will have to question everything that you have learned. And you can not deny that you were (FIRST) taught that the earth is round, even before having the evidence that it is so.

originally posted by: Hombre

Why are you all so obsessed into defending the round earth ?

From the blatant lies and falsehoods used be Flat Earthers. To. Do you have a better way my ship, when in the Navy in the southern hemisphere, should have navigated and got around than treating the earth as the spherical shape it is?