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“You could see it through the trees. It started to get real close. Then I knew it wasn’t a plane.”
“We didn’t know what it was, but we knew there was something that was lighting up the sky. We had begun to feel heat, and all of a sudden Vickie screamed for me to stop. And when I stopped, she went forward and her handprint was embedded into the dash of the car. And I thought, well, I’ve got to see what this is. So I got out, walked toward the front of the automobile, and I stood there looking up to try to figure out what this object was. It was a diamond-shaped object. Then at the bottom, flames were shooting out. The heat was tremendous. It just felt like I was burning from the inside out. When I reached for the door handle, the door handle was so hot, I couldn’t even begin to hold on to it. I was more than scared. The only thing I was thinking was, are we going to get out of here alive?
“They were the large helicopters that have the double rotaries on them. I counted 22 and I knew they had to belong to the army.”
“He was begging me for water. He had a fever and had vomited all over the bed.”
“There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that Betty was exposed to high doses of radiation. As to what the source was, I can’t exactly say.”
“We had done several interviews with Betty and Vickie, and then we went out to the location where this happened. They were very clear on where it happened and how it happened. They told us exactly where along the road they stopped, because there were markers that identified the spot. They were able to point out exactly where they saw the object coming down out of the sky, over the road, and hovering there. They were able to point out a spot on the road that indicated that it had been heated to an extreme level of heating. It was burned, and it was very clear to the naked eye. Several weeks after we went to the spot and saw this burned area, someone dug up the road and hauled it away and replaced it with new asphalt. Some of the witnesses that watched this happen said people brought in unmarked trucks, dug up the road, put the material on the trucks, covered it with a tarpaulin, and drove away.”
“At least 10 other people had seen the object, and seven or eight other people had seen the helicopters. And their descriptions were all very similar to what Betty and Vickie described.”
“My wife Marie and I were returning from her mother and dad’s. As we were coming out of some tree lines, I saw a helicopter. It was shining a spotlight at the ground. Then I heard the noise of other helicopters behind it. And I stopped the car, ’cause I didn’t know what was going on. The helicopters were military, and they were all flying fairly low to the ground, and all of them had search beams on. I thought maybe there was an airplane down, but they didn’t hesitate. They kept going in the same direction, which would probably intersect the area where Vickie said her encounter was.”
“One is that it was an experimental craft of some kind, probably from our government. The other, it was an unidentified flying object, possibly extraterrestrial.”
“I don’t believe in little green men. And it had to be an object. It could have been a spacecraft that the government was carrying, but our government was carrying it.”
“Vickie’s having visual problems. And there are lots of suggestions that they may be related to radiation as well, but that depends on the kind of exposure. And someone needs to tell us what the exposure was so we can figure it out.”
“If it’s a top-secret object that’s protecting the United States, then I could say I could forgive them for that. But at least they owe us to tell us exactly why we were burned, and what type of radiation that we were exposed to and how much.”
..".When Schuessler inspected Betty's car in early 1981 and used a Geiger counter to check for radioactivity, he found none. Presumably he also checked for radioactivity when he visited the site of the (alleged) incident, and found no abnormal radiation ... [Schuessler] provides NO medical data on Betty's health PRIOR to the UFO incident. Nor does he provide any medical data on the prior health of Vicki or Colby”...
originally posted by: mirageman
■ Some UFO researchers have pointed out that high-energy ionizing radiation of the kind that can cause damage to human beings (such as gamma radiation) does not induce radioactivity in objects and would not have left behind any residual radioactivity in the area.
If radiation were involved, according to Posner, the reported symptoms would have indicated a fatal dose. Since both women lived many years after the incident—and Colby is still living —nobody received a fatal dose of radiation, and the reported symptoms, if correct, must be caused by something other than radiation.
There is no way that such discrete, round patterns could be produced by radiation from a distant object. What Posner is suggesting is that, like religious zealots of yore who fabricated their own symptoms of “stigmata,” Betty Cash created the discrete, round “radiation burn” patterns on her arms to be able to display impressive symptoms to her doctors.
Medical science has a term for this kind of behavior, Münchausen syndrome, which is a psychiatric factitious disorder wherein those affected feign disease, illness, or psychological trauma to draw attention, sympathy, or reassurance to themselves. While not terribly common, it is far from rare. And assuming that Betty Cash’s medical records contains the term “Münchausen syndrome” or words to that effect, which seems likely, we now understand why the promoters of the Cash-Landrum case adamantly refuse to let anyone see her medical records. It would destroy all vestiges of credibility that this case ever had.
All suffered from nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, general- ized weakness, a burning sensation in their eyes, and feeling as though they’d suffered sunburns.
Those dual rotor helicopters are called Chinooks and she told the Air Force they said USAF on the side of them.
originally posted by: mirageman
Vickie Landrum said that just moments later, a large squadron of helicopters descended on the area:
“They were the large helicopters that have the double rotaries on them. I counted 22 and I knew they had to belong to the army"
She said 22 and they said USAF on the side, and the USAF said they didn't have any Chinooks, with USAF markings, so, it sounds like she at least lied about the USAF markings, and I wouldn't rule out “Münchausen syndrome” either. It's too bad the medical records were not released to see if they mentioned “Münchausen syndrome”, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
originally posted by: Observer19
My understanding is that the Landrum case was thrown out of court because the air force said that it did not have the number of helicopters available in the Houston area at that time as the plaintiffs claimed. As I recall, the number was over twenty.
"There is no way that such discrete, round patterns could be produced by radiation from a distant object." so her alleged "radiation burns" were not characteristic of either type of radiation as Ophi's source pointed out. "What Posner is suggesting is that, like religious zealots of yore who fabricated their own symptoms of “stigmata,” Betty Cash created the discrete, round “radiation burn” patterns on her arms to be able to display impressive symptoms to her doctors. " Given that she lied about the USAF markings on the chinooks, that sounds plausible that she would fake such "radiation injuries" not realizing that they are not at all consistent with real radiation injuries.
originally posted by: wavelength
The type of injuries Cash and Landrum experienced were in some ways characteristic of exposure to both types of radiation
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
"There is no way that such discrete, round patterns could be produced by radiation from a distant object." so her alleged "radiation burns" were not characteristic of either type of radiation as Ophi's source pointed out. "What Posner is suggesting is that, like religious zealots of yore who fabricated their own symptoms of “stigmata,” Betty Cash created the discrete, round “radiation burn” patterns on her arms to be able to display impressive symptoms to her doctors. " Given that she lied about the USAF markings on the chinooks, that sounds plausible that she would fake such "radiation injuries" not realizing that they are not at all consistent with real radiation injuries.
originally posted by: mirageman
■ Why weren't medical records released to the Texas Bureau of Radiation Control? Surely someone who could assist with the witnesses claims against the military?
■ How, and why, did [NASA contractor] John Schuessler become the appointed gatekeeper of information and seemingly defacto representative for Cash & Landrum? Except when they met with the military when he was notably absent. What gives him the right to withold their medical records?
I think Schuessler's role in all of this is more suspicious than the witnesses?