Bakhmut about to fall.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Oh, so now you claim to know Putin's innermost thoughts?

Nope. I can simply see more than one meaning behind his words.

So, what do you think it tells us about his comment about the fall of the USSR being a "tragedy".

Probably that he is patriotic. He was a citizen of the USSR.

Or, more to the point, rather than derailing this thread, anything to say about Bakhmut, like, on topic?

Only that it is quite interesting that the place is still, after more than a year, enduring fighting. Wasn't Russia supposed to implode, explode, or nuke the planet by now?

TheRedneck

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

No, you didn't. All I ask is, at any cost?

That question seems to defy the very definition of diplomacy. Diplomacy at any cost? That doesn't sound good. But war at any cost sounds worse.

You do understand what diplomacy is?

TheRedneck

a reply to: Grenade

I'm not condoning the war, i'm being realistic.

I fear there aren't many in this thread who understand the difference.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

"Only that it is quite interesting that the place is still, after more than a year, enduring fighting. Wasn't Russia supposed to implode, explode, or nuke the planet by now?"

Not according to me, so why ask me?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

No, you didn't. All I ask is, at any cost?

That question seems to defy the very definition of diplomacy. Diplomacy at any cost? That doesn't sound good. But war at any cost sounds worse.

You do understand what diplomacy is?

TheRedneck

Yes I do. Thanks.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: TheRedneck

"Only that it is quite interesting that the place is still, after more than a year, enduring fighting. Wasn't Russia supposed to implode, explode, or nuke the planet by now?"

Not according to me, so why ask me?

I think the real problem starts now they are out of emergency funds. They already haven't been paying their soldiers and now don't have the money to pay their bills

a reply to: Grenade

"Seems the Russian advance to the North and South has resulted in a pincer move, cutting off supply lines to a poorly manned Ukrainian front line."

I don't think that they have yet encircled and cut off Bakhmut yet, unless you know differently?

That "poorly manned Ukrainian front line" of yours seems to be doing fairly well against the hordes of troops the Russians are throwing at them.

And for what? Just so that Putin can claim a victory of some sort? At enormous cost.

Why do you say "poorly manned"?

Sounds rather gratuitous to me.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

They're so poorly armed that Russia just experienced their deadliest day of the war.

I can only imagine how bad it would have been for them if Ukraine was fully equipped when Russia gave them a 40-mile long shooting gallery.

Seems that tensions between Putin and Wagner Group are hotting up:

www.independent.co.uk...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Seems that tensions between Putin and Wagner Group are hotting up:

www.independent.co.uk...

Just a matter of time until Yevgeny Prigozhin accidentally falls out a 3 story window. Apparently, Russians around Putin can't seem to pass an open window without killing themselves.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I don't have a stake in this war so stop being so aggressive.

You asked for analysis so i provided a summary of my research. If Russian forces control Soledar as reported, then the next step would be to take control of Siversk-Bakhmut highway, limiting supply lines to the Ukrainian front line. Klishchiivka to the South is also now under Russian control which means they have the city almost surrounded.

The most likely reason for Ukraine sabotaging the remaining two bridges under their control is to facilitate a controlled withdrawal.

You're right, the Ukrainian military is doing a fine job of defending the city considering the inferior numbers and equipment. Still, i stand by my prediction, the city will fall in the next couple of weeks.

By poorly manned i mean inferior numbers that are stretched thin and entrenched. Generally the side making advances in an urban environment will always suffer heavier losses but if those supply lines are cut then you can't reinforce the defensive positions.

Again, i don't support any war, nor do i take any sides. I do however have a keen interest in history and military tactics / strategy.

I've been nothing but polite so please stop with the attitude toward me.

a reply to: dragonridr

Careful, you will be accused of claiming to know Putin's innermost thoughts or some such drivel.

Balcony diving does seem to be an extreme sport in Russia, though.

He'd best stay clear of door handles and tea, too.

a reply to: Grenade

Aggressive?

OK.

It's pretty obvious which side you are taking.

If the city falls, at what cost to Russia as opposed to Ukraine?

Wagner Group seems to be at odds with Putin, if you read my link.

Still waiting for you to evidence your comment about the Ukrainian front being "poorly manned".

Pretty insulting, from an armchair General


Sounds like taking sides to me.

Let's see.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

No, it's how i think the armed conflict will play out. War doesn't care about feelings or who you want to win.

You're just being rude now for no reason.

I ask you to provide one pro Russia statement i've ever made on this forum. It seems adult conversation is beyond you on topics like this. Only one of us is a cheerleader for war, the other is just trying to be impartial.

I won't be replying further, your attitude stinks.

You asked me to justify my statement on why i think the Russians will take the city and then when i try to elaborate on my research i'm an arm-chair general. I might not be a general but i know a LOT more about these subjects than you.

Get over yourself and untie your panties.


EDIT: Just to add i was raised by my Grandad, a soldier for over 20 years. Hence my interest in the subject.

a reply to: Grenade

Really?

I simply asked you to explain your comment about the Ukrainian front line being "poorly manned".

What more about this do you know about these subjects than me?

Me, "rude"?

Take a look in the mirror, my friend.

Blimey. How rude?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You're right, the Ukrainian military is doing a fine job of defending the city considering the inferior numbers and equipment. Still, i stand by my prediction, the city will fall in the next couple of weeks.

By poorly manned i mean inferior numbers that are stretched thin and entrenched. Generally the side making advances in an urban environment will always suffer heavier losses but if those supply lines are cut then you can't reinforce the defensive positions.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Grenade


What more about this do you know about these subjects than me?

On the evidence from this thread, anything and everything to do with military tactics and strategy.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

It's pretty obvious which side you are taking.

Aaaaaaaand... there it is.

Anyone who does not believe every word in the media, who does not denigrate Russia at every possible turn, legitimately or not, and who does not continually state that Ukrainian forces are superior in every way possible, well, they must be Putin's minions... right?

You are not in this thread to discuss Bakhmut... you are here to cheer on Ukraine and to ensure that every piece of information presented is held to that high, uninformed, knee-jerk standard of "Ukraine 100% perfect; Russia 100% imperfect."

That's why I got into this thread in the first place... to counter that inane notion that you seem unable to shake. There is, right now, a conflict going on between one country which has somewhat unknown capability but which was recently considered one of the world's great military superpowers and another which has an inferior force, both in numbers and training, but which is being supplied by present military superpowers. Most of the fighting is centered around Bakhmut, which can have some strategic significance should the former decide to move their forces forward. The outcome is far from certain; neither side has shown a great advantage over the other.

I will not stand by quietly while you accuse others actually trying to make sense of what is happening of being "on the wrong side." It is not necessary to take sides in order to try and analyze the direction of the conflict based on reports from the front line.

And no, you do not understand diplomacy. At all.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Grenade

Let's see how your bizarre fantasies pan out, eh?

a reply to: TheRedneck

Nailed it!