The Tennessee House Just Passed a Bill Completely Gutting Marriage Equality

a reply to: Xcalibur254

What are these “gun licenses” that you speak of?

States disobeying the US Constitution and Supreme Court rulings? Can’t be.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Freedom of conscience and practice of the same.

That really irks you, eh?

Wow, guess I shouldn't be surprised by the responses here, but really? I mean we're not just talking a gay couple being legally married in the state on the whim of a clerk, we're talking interracial and interfaith marriages as well. And that's fine with you?

And then extreme conservatives wonder why they can't win elections. I can pretty confidently say that the majority of Americans don't want states to take away a right to get married to someone who may be a different gender, race or religion.
The easiest answer is if you don't want to marry someone not exactly like you, then don't. But why stop others? How is it hurting you?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RazorV66

So you would have no issue of the government official responsible for issuing gun licenses refused to do so due to their personal beliefs?

You equating gun ownership to same sex marriage?
I am not against same sex marriage, I personally don’t care either way.
What I am against is the woke mob attacking everyone for every damn thing.
Move the F on and go about your lives.

a reply to: frogs453

I guess we should be surprised that youre still in favor of the government dictating a free persons actions and against a persons liberty.

/shrug

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Freedom of conscience and practice of the same.

That really irks you, eh?

These used to be liberals!

a reply to: JinMI

Excuse me? She works for the government. You're telling me that even though I pay taxes to that state government and their job is to gather the relevant info and provide a license that if the clerk is in a bad mood, or claim whatever the heck they want, they can just deny my marriage license? I have no liberty in the state of Tennesee to marry a Jewish man or a Japanese man? Or a woman?

a reply to: frogs453

Yea, you dont get to dictate a person do a thing for you.

a person shall not be required to solemnize a marriage if the person has an objection to solemnizing the marriage based on the person’s conscience or religious beliefs.”

If, and I mean a big IF this was a city/county/state person, theyd likely be fired for not doing their jobs.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Xcalibur254

You are for forcing people to go against their beliefs to accommodate someone else's.

Just say it.

(Bold is my add)

This is the same tactic when it comes to transgenderism as well, except you're expected to PRETEND someone is something else to accommodate their beliefs.

It's freaking psychotic.

originally posted by: Nickn3
The pendulum swings both ways. I see this as blowback from the baker that would not bake a wedding cake because they thought it was wrong. Then they were sued for refusing. Well sh!t happens and it has consequences.

You are right and where does it stop. What is a clerk didn’t believe in marriage after a divorce or other reasons..

The OP and others are demanding that people have their Constitutional rights infringed.

It's that simple.

originally posted by: ohhchongo

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ohhchongo

How exactly does that work when the country clerk for the county you reside refuses to sign your marriage license?

Uhmm go to another county. People have been eloping forever. Try harder to be outraged LMAO

Another more self-sufficient thing to do would be to make use of those various damn activist groups & convince moar Alternative People to go that particular employment goal route.

You know, instead of bitching and moaning that there's no one to sign off on the marriage(s) of potential objection. I thought they wanted representation? Step up & represent already, jeez.

Hmmmmm... funny that neither the OP nor the source article actually quote the text of the bill. So I will --

AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 4; Title 29 and Title 36, relative to solemnization of marriage.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE:

SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 36-3-301, is amended by adding the following as a new subsection:

(m) A person shall not be required to solemnize a marriage if the person has an
objection to solemnizing the marriage based on the person's conscience or religious beliefs.

SECTION 2. This act takes effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring it.

There it is. In its entirety.

Neither does the OP nor the source article provide a link to the bill... so I will --

Tennessee House Bill 878

"Solemnize" seems to be the operative word here. Might "solemnize" have a specific legal definition? Why yes! Yes, it does:

Solemnization refers to the performance of a formal marriage ceremony before witnesses. In other words, it is the public performance of a sacrament or solemn ceremony with all appropriate rituals.

Source: US Legal

County Clerks do not perform marriage ceremonies as part of their official duties, therefore County Clerks do not solemnize marriages as part of their official duties, therefore this bill does not apply to County Clerks.

Just more rabble rousing:

the activity of saying, writing, or doing things that make crowds of people excited or angry, usually intentionally in order to make them act in a particular way...

Source: Cambridge Dictionary

a reply to: DBCowboy

The Supreme Court is currently of the position that marriage is a Constitutionally protected right. So by supporting government employees having the ability to reject a marriage license simply because a couple is the same sex/different races, aren't you supporting the infringement of people's Constitutional rights?

a reply to: Boadicea

The existing law.

It was pointed out earlier that solemnation doesnt refer to the clerks.

The source ran with the nonsense.


Hook
Line
Sinker

a reply to: frogs453

If you are not a Mormon, then you cannot be married in the Mormon Temple. Whine and cry all you want. I’m not Mormon so it is off the table even if I chose a Mormon wife.

Catholic Church doesn’t require conversion and recognizes a legal marriage happened, but it isn’t a Catholic Church fully recognized marriage without a specific ceremony ritual. And that will require some catechism.

Many religions are exclusive about marriage. Secular ideas don’t change that.

The clerk thing can be taken care of easily enough by resignation, termination for insubordination or the enforcement of separation of church and state.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: frogs453

Yea, you dont get to dictate a person do a thing for you.

a person shall not be required to solemnize a marriage if the person has an objection to solemnizing the marriage based on the person’s conscience or religious beliefs.”

If, and I mean a big IF this was a city/county/state person, theyd likely be fired for not doing their jobs.

The OP link states this is for County Clerks. They are government employees employed by the state government which taxes the same people they can arbitrarily deny a marriage to within that state.

Bet the homophobic, racist, religious bigots will be lining up for one of those jobs.

originally posted by: Boadicea
Hmmmmm... funny that neither the OP nor the source article actually quote the text of the bill. So I will --

AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 4; Title 29 and Title 36, relative to solemnization of marriage.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE:

SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 36-3-301, is amended by adding the following as a new subsection:

(m) A person shall not be required to solemnize a marriage if the person has an
objection to solemnizing the marriage based on the person's conscience or religious beliefs.

SECTION 2. This act takes effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring it.

There it is. In its entirety.

Neither does the OP nor the source article provide a link to the bill... so I will --

Tennessee House Bill 878

"Solemnize" seems to be the operative word here. Might "solemnize" have a specific legal definition? Why yes! Yes, it does:

Solemnization refers to the performance of a formal marriage ceremony before witnesses. In other words, it is the public performance of a sacrament or solemn ceremony with all appropriate rituals.

Source: US Legal

County Clerks do not perform marriage ceremonies as part of their official duties, therefore County Clerks do not solemnize marriages as part of their official duties, therefore this bill does not apply to County Clerks.

Just more rabble rousing:

the activity of saying, writing, or doing things that make crowds of people excited or angry, usually intentionally in order to make them act in a particular way...

Source: Cambridge Dictionary

Yep, definitely a pattern, as you were saying.

a reply to: frogs453

Again, lets take this slow.

“a person shall not be required to solemnize a marriage if the person has an objection to solemnizing the marriage based on the person’s conscience or religious beliefs.”

Does a clerk solemnize a marriage as part of their job duties?

a reply to: Ahabstar

We're not talking religious ceremonies. We're talking a judges and county clerks to have a legal marriage within the state. Churches can do what they want. It doesn't affect your legal status.

So this couple denied a marriage cannot visit their partner in the hospital, add them to their insurance, etc. Unless they leave the state to get married. In some states you can't just marry the same day you get your license either, so now people might have to marriage shop a state? Yet pay this judge or clerks salary with their taxes? Nice.