China warns conflict is inevitable unless U.S. changes course

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: putnam6

It seems that right now the media it very oddly silent about what China is doing military wise today.....
If I was a betting man I would bet they are going to test us with striking the Philippines.

Doesn't the US have a defense treaty with the Philippines?

How exactly would they strike the Philippines? they barely would be able to mount an amphibious assault on Taiwan, reports are they would likely have to commander private vessels. So an air strike or cruise missile strike is going to do nothing but get a retaliation

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: putnam6

If the only thing stopping you from overtaking another country, was under the control of an old senile man surrounded by weaklings just like him that backed down from everything, wouldn't you jump on the opportunity as well? Everything happening today is everything the left said would happen under Trump for the reasons it's all happening under Biden. We're actually a laughingstock now and we're actually weak now.

Frickin democrats.

america is still the most important and strongest pillar for all free countries in the world - from a military point of view. europe and the usa united represent a huge power. who has anything against that? russia and china. laughing stock yes, because of trump, bobbert, taylor, giuliani etc... all this strange figures. sometimes it feels more like a bad sitcom as of politics. whats worrying is the division of americas society. who benefits? russia and china.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Nope, the US is the good guys and would never start any pre-emptive wars.

that list is pretty disingenuous in the context of US wars.

Also, I already said in this thread that we’ve hade our blights too.

What does that even mean? The US is king at killing millions of innocent people when they start preemptive wars in foreign countries. No other country is even close. The Ukraine conflict started in 2014 when a US coop overthrew that government, and as NATO countries have moved eastward, poked the bear and then cried foul when the bear got mad.

Ukraine is the world leader in child trafficking, organ tracking, money laundering (to the bidens, etc), biolabs and experiments, etc. It's the NWO staging ground, to be destroyed so it can be rebuild by blackrock etc. FTX laundered money through Ukraine back to the DNC and other demoRat interests.

Ukraine is never going to beat Russia, it's all a game. They are forcing innocent ukrainians to be used as canon fodder to support the corrupt interests of the Elites. Millions have fled and will not return, and many more will die from being forced to the front lines to die within a 4 hour on average time frame.

To support that is the most corrupt thing I can image, second to supporting the bioweapon vaccines. Infact it's so corrupt that there is no way someone with that mindset is every going to be able to function in a civilized society.

originally posted by: lostbook
a reply to: putnam6

It’s about more than spy balloons. The US almost went to war with Russia over its base building in Cuba. Same thing now with different players.

It’s also a similar situation with Ukraine

Im not suggesting it's all about the spy balloons Im suggesting the fact that the spy balloon story has completely gone silent is there is a lot more going on in the background here.

As for the CUBA/UKRAINE analogy perhaps

did the US put ICBMs in Ukraine? I forgot

No in Russia's mind, Obama stole Putin's legacy of reuniting Ukraine and Russia, Obama and America stole Putin's golden goose in 2014, he could have drained Ukraine's natural resources all for Russia's benefit as long as he had a friendly government to the south.

TPTB didn't t need to set up missiles they just paid more in influence, money, and power to the right Ukrainians at the right time, and voila we have a US ally in Russia's backyard.

Sort of like Russia did backing Fidel back in the 50s, long before there were missiles on Cuban soil.

Both sides have done this for decades

the US was out-manoeuvered in Cuba, and Russia was out-manoeuvered in Ukraine. It's that simple the difference is the US doesn't need Ukraine for missiles but it needs Ukraine as a place to wield political influence and get all kinds of kickbacks from a corrupt region of the world.

Putin no doubt believed he had bought enough influence in Ukraine that the resistance wouldn't have been so formidable and he damn sure didn't think US and NATO would support Ukraine to such a degree.

Now he is stuck with his little Ivan deep in a hornet's nest.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

What does that even mean?

You included that list right after talking about US preemptive wars. I noted the list is disingenuous as many of those weren’t even wars.

The Ukraine conflict started in 2014 when a US coop overthrew that government, and as NATO countries have moved eastward, poked the bear and then cried foul when the bear got mad.

Viktor Yanukovych ran his election on bringing Ukraine into the EU. The Ukrainians voted him in to do that. Russia made a back room deal with Viktor to renege at the last minute.

Maybe the US did stoke the flames of the protest. But the Ukrainians clearly wanted to join the EU.

So Russia was interfering with them before the US was. And you could say Russia has more of a “right” to do it, because it’s their neighbor. But that would be ignoring the Budapest Memorandum where we promised to protect Ukraines sovereignty. How are they sovereign if they have no self determination because Russia decides for them?


If the US is such a bully in that region, why do almost none of the former USSR countries want anything to do with Russia? Why are a lot of them in NATO now?

If Russia is such a beacon of morality, where are their allies?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
If the US is such a bully in that region, why do almost none of the former USSR countries want anything to do with Russia? Why are a lot of them in NATO now?

Because the evil United States controls their woke central banks. Also, most of those snowflake-infested places lied about how horrible the Soviet Union was to them. Everyone knows that the Russians are good guys, a little totalitarianism never hurt anyone.

Mr. Gang told the USA the 'other shoe' is about to stomp... but mr. Gang left unclear the list of priorities China wants done first

taiwan issue/weapons sale to Putin/de-dollarization/end of petro-dollar/... or USA Foreign Policy

China is our enemy on the DC landscape.
If you all don't know it, the guitar manufacturors in China are moving to Indonesia .
You can not own nothing in China, and finally the profit of stupidity is waking up.
For the buck of profit is finally putting the hidden bullet into the wallet of the companies in China, you can not really take your money out of china on the whim . fk Disney World , hope they and all American stock holders eat their chinese fried rice polluted with MSG. Chinese govt is all about destroying the USA govt. PERIOD

American people are so blind to the fact that the Chinese govt. is going to destroy America from within.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

To support that is the most corrupt thing I can image, second to supporting the bioweapon vaccines. Infact it's so corrupt that there is no way someone with that mindset is every going to be able to function in a civilized society.

That's because you've convinced yourself of a bunch of conspiracy crap that isn't true. There might be a few things in there, noone's perfect, but the way you describe it is completely over the top.

How do you know for a fact that they're the biggest child trafficking, organ harvesting, and money laundering place in the world? Bioweapon labs? Yeah, I remember early on Russia made up something like that, it was laughed at along with most of the crap they made up and tried to spin. But you, you take it and run with it like it's a fact, like you're a Russian cheerleader. It's as if you'll believe and spread anything you read if you have a motive for it.

Nice to tie in Biden just because they had some dealings there at some point in the past. He's hugely unpopular around here, so everyone will go with that without any of it being proven. FTX didnt need to launder money through Ukraine, they just donated it directly to the democrats.

While it's possible some individuals in the U.S. used FTX to send cryptocurrency to aid Ukraine, "there’s no evidence that FTX deliberately laundered those donations to Democrats ahead of the midterms," Meserole said.

In March, only weeks after Russia's invasion, Ukraine launched Aid for Ukraine, a website where people could donate cryptocurrency to support the country's military and humanitarian efforts.

Mykhailo Fedorov, Ukraine’s vice prime minister, announced the site in a March 14 tweet, describing it as a "beautiful joint initiative" involving Ukraine's Ministry of Digital Transformation, FTX and Everstake, a blockchain staking platform. FTX and Everstake are private companies and were not involved with government aid.

In a series of recent tweets, Everstake and its CEO, Sergey Vasylchuk, refuted the money-laundering claim, saying it "doesn't correspond with reality" and noting Aid for Ukraine only used FTX "a few times" in March to convert cryptocurrency donations to traditional currency.

Alex Bornyakov, Ukraine’s deputy minister of digital transformation, tweeted a similar comment, saying Aid for Ukraine used FTX in March to convert cryptocurrency donations to traditional currency. He also pointed out that Ukraine's government never invested any money with FTX.
www.usatoday.com...

See, the way this works is, make a baseless claim against the political party that you and other people don't like, then they all automaticly run with it like its fact simply because it's something bad about the party they dont like. Everyone here will be like, yep they did it just because they dont like the dems, then spread it just like you. This is how most of the BS gets spread on the internet, just like the election fraud claims.

Trump was smart to tap into how naive people are, he knew they'd automaticly believe it even though it got rejected in court everywhere. Because, you see, the courts were in on it too, yep. Everyone will believe that too on face value just because. Noone likes to be on the losing side. When sports teams lose, the other side cheated. The referees made bad calls, they had money bet on the game.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

a little totalitarianism never hurt anyone.

Small price to pay to own the libs.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
Small price to pay to own the libs.

Further owned since Soros beat everyone to them first. Or is it the Koch Brothers...

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Viktor Yanukovych ran his election on bringing Ukraine into the EU. The Ukrainians voted him in to do that. Russia made a backroom deal with Viktor to renege at the last minute.

In the end he got a better offer from the Russians than from the EU , that's how business work and world politics, it's all about the money/power and the people don't really matter.
If western leaders weren't so greedy and offered more money we wouldn't be in this spot today.

Not everyone in Ukraine was behind the west/east ,they were divided for a very long time.
Also, Zelensky got voted into office because he would bring peace to the east in Ukraine,did he do that so far? no, he only made things worse.

So Russia was interfering with them before the US was. And you could say Russia has more of a “right” to do it, because it’s their neighbor. But that would be ignoring the Budapest Memorandum where we promised to protect Ukraines sovereignty. How are they sovereign if they have no self determination because Russia decides for them?

This war between Russia(east) and the west have been going on for a lot of years already, every spot where the west is training and weaponizing rebels/armies/presidents around the world, on the other side it's Russia doing the same.
Rules and laws that are written doesn't really matter,not like Minsk 1 and 2 got followed by both sides.

It's not Russia who is deciding the rules,for me its really hard to know 100% who is at fault in this war,can you show 100% proof that will hold into court that Yanukovych was the person who paid those snipers to fire at civilians that led to his downfall?

Do you really have proof who was the 1st person who died during this war who was really the aggressor, Russia or Ukraine?
there were 2 sides fighting,there is no one who is really innocent.

If Russia is such a beacon of morality, where are their allies?

They got alot of allies and China is one of them ,and there a lot African/South American countries that keep them self neutral just looking at how things will go during the war,if Russia can keep Crimea and capture Donbas what 2 of their main objective were, then in the end of the war there will be a lot more countries that will stay behind and join Russia.

originally posted by: putnam6
“In fact, the U.S. side’s so-called competition is all-round containment and suppression, a zero-sum game,” he said.

a reply to: Thrumbo

Trump was smart to tap into how naive people are, he knew they'd automaticly believe it even though it got rejected in court everywhere. Because, you see, the courts were in on it too, yep. Everyone will believe that too on face value just because. Noone likes to be on the losing side. When sports teams lose, the other side cheated. The referees made bad calls, they had money bet on the game.

Not sure if you can smell the partisan irony in your own post.
Way to simplify a much more complex situation.
There's a bunch of videos showing cheating.
There's proven issues with the dominion scam machines
There's courts refusing to hear cases.
You are lying when you say "it was rejected in court!"
-It was never allowed in court

originally posted by: malte85
america is still the most important and strongest pillar for all free countries in the world - from a military point of view. europe and the usa united represent a huge power. who has anything against that? russia and china. laughing stock yes, because of trump, bobbert, taylor, giuliani etc... all this strange figures. sometimes it feels more like a bad sitcom as of politics. whats worrying is the division of americas society. who benefits? russia and china.

As someone who isnt American that was just as angry at America during the 2nd Gulf War, as I am today towards ruZZia ... id agree with that and while like the rest of the world we role our eyes at you fairly often behind your back (I mean honestly you guys do some stupid things on all levels of society)...

You lot are (begrudgingly) the 'World Police' and like real police, you can be total arseholes and do really stupid things... but just like real police, I still say thank god your around when needed... even if you might be an arsehole next week.

As to the op, i see it as bluster like they always do, given the back and forth Chinas been doing between sides, with the balloons, telling ruZZia off about nukes etc etc Its just a way of saving face and appearing to be on all sides, hell they bitched in similar tones at my country for simply being nice to a Taiwanese ambassador a few times years back.

originally posted by: Dizle81

They got alot of allies and China is one of them ,and there a lot African/South American countries that keep them self neutral just looking at how things will go during the war,if Russia can keep Crimea and capture Donbas what 2 of their main objective were, then in the end of the war there will be a lot more countries that will stay behind and join Russia.

Yeah, except all those neutral watchers in Africa/SA and 'allies' to ruZZia are for the large majority lead by outright dictators, would be wannabe dictators or extremely corrupt governments, hell Orban in Hungary is a nationalistic pseudo fascist, Modi in India is himself a nationalistic borderline fascist, Irans a total religious dictatorship, China... is China, same with North Korea, Belarus is a complete puppet state of putlers whos leader is hated by the majority of his country lol... they're only allying with ruZZia since they see immediate fiscal personal gains or someone like themselves doing something they all wish they could get away with, or both.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: putnam6

China is one of the good guys, like Russia, Iran and North Korea.

Central bank, something, something. Not woke, something, something. Anti-globalist, something, something.

So just the regular China, Russia, Iran, and North Korean bluster.

Certainly, it feels like we were greatly oversold on the threat of the fearsome foursome, to varying degrees over the years.

Russia supposedly is bogged down in Ukraine running low on arms and munitions

China has to use weather balloons to spy on America

Iran has been stalemated by angry bare-faced women

And Kim in North Korea has resorted to having his sister speak for him

originally posted by: putnam6
So just the regular China, Russia, Iran, and North Korean bluster.

Yes, pretty much, because they all really, really, really love America and are our bestest buds of all time. They would never do anything negative to us at all since their ideals perfectly line up with ours.

Now, excuse me, I need to use some of my FTX loot to buy a dozen eggs.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Where have you been mate ?

Were you attending the new ' Ninja Freemason camp ' ?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: putnam6
So just the regular China, Russia, Iran, and North Korean bluster.

Yes, pretty much, because they all really, really, really love America and are our bestest buds of all time. They would never do anything negative to us at all since their ideals perfectly line up with ours.

Now, excuse me, I need to use some of my FTX loot to buy a dozen eggs.

Seems they might not be as tight with Israel however if this guy is correct

should we see if Israel can take out the pesky drone plant, on the way to hit the nuke site?

a reply to: CriticalStinker

60% of Russia sits on permafrost.

As to expansion well the have serious issues to contend with regarding an aging population, same as a few other nations including both our own.

And they are currently killing off the current generation by near enough of 1000s each day or thereabouts turning them into cannon fodder in Ukraine.

As to the US being that bad guy, far can determine Russia wins that crown hands down.

Its not the west that created the problem but Putin telling lies and then invading Ukraine for a mad sad land grab.