Why it is LIKELY we are being visited by many ET species, and on a very regular basis.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: SmartRetard

My question was not well presented, sorry.

Why would their "radiation immunity" be based on chemicals toxic to our atmosphere?

A few basic laws that run our planet and lives... like the law of thermodynamics. Apply this to adding a foreign material, something completely alien to its environment, something that has developed chemical properties of no relation to anything in said habitat. Anything remotely close to this scenario, we see in all walks of life becomes catastrophic. Now... convert that to an astronomical scale. Times any influence it might have by a billion. So this cancerous growth that would decimate earth material at an atomic level who developed on a world anywhere from millions to billions the size of our star.

It's no mystery why anything alien would choose to not have any interaction with humanity within our local relative state.

The Roswell story of what happens when man got close to the alien craft or how coming in contact killed the majority of the beings while the human nearly died as well.

To believe we would have an opportunity to interact with these beings is saying.... we must have a similar chemical makeup. Our matter must have something in common... if they're from a completely separate patch of dark matter, a different form of light source, a different revolutionary speed around their star, all of these play vital roles to who we are and how we come to be... just one degree change in climate could result in mass casualties and in the long run... our species would end up getting wiped out my another species that has evolved with upgraded parts to accommodate the environment more efficiently than us... just as we have with our rivals for hundreds of thousands of years.

Drop a foreign disease in Brazil in the 1800s and watch Rio D. form... the people go from being the most prosperous to the most barbaric in just a few hundred years.

Simply looking at the history of humanity is enough to understand what happens, like contaminating a swimming pool but on a grand scale. You don't need a PhD to pee in your neighbor's pool and watch them flip out in your front yard. Quite entertaining, actually.

Take a micro-level contamination to a macro-level contamination. Our atmosphere deals with small scale contaminates a lot... sometimes gas clouds can drop a village. This would be on a micro level compared to the earth's chemical state. Earth would be an RC [a research chemical]. By the time it can get scheduled ... it would be too late.


Cross-contamination on a God Scale would have to, from our perspective, create a "big bang". Something that happened before a species popped up and created this thing we experience, "time".

originally posted by: SmartRetard

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: SmartRetard

My question was not well presented, sorry.

Why would their "radiation immunity" be based on chemicals toxic to our atmosphere?

A few basic laws that run our planet and lives... like the law of thermodynamics. Apply this to adding a foreign material, something completely alien to its environment, something that has developed chemical properties of no relation to anything in said habitat. Anything remotely close to this scenario, we see in all walks of life becomes catastrophic. Now... convert that to an astronomical scale. Times any influence it might have by a billion. So this cancerous growth that would decimate earth material at an atomic level who developed on a world anywhere from millions to billions the size of our star.

It's no mystery why anything alien would choose to not have any interaction with humanity within our local relative state.

The Roswell story of what happens when man got close to the alien craft or how coming in contact killed the majority of the beings while the human nearly died as well.

To believe we would have an opportunity to interact with these beings is saying.... we must have a similar chemical makeup. Our matter must have something in common... if they're from a completely separate patch of dark matter, a different form of light source, a different revolutionary speed around their star, all of these play vital roles to who we are and how we come to be... just one degree change in climate could result in mass casualties and in the long run... our species would end up getting wiped out my another species that has evolved with upgraded parts to accommodate the environment more efficiently than us... just as we have with our rivals for hundreds of thousands of years.

Drop a foreign disease in Brazil in the 1800s and watch Rio D. form... the people go from being the most prosperous to the most barbaric in just a few hundred years.

Simply looking at the history of humanity is enough to understand what happens, like contaminating a swimming pool but on a grand scale. You don't need a PhD to pee in your neighbor's pool and watch them flip out in your front yard. Quite entertaining, actually.

Take a micro-level contamination to a macro-level contamination. Our atmosphere deals with small scale contaminates a lot... sometimes gas clouds can drop a village. This would be on a micro level compared to the earth's chemical state. Earth would be an RC [a research chemical]. By the time it can get scheduled ... it would be too late.


Cross-contamination on a God Scale would have to, from our perspective, create a "big bang". Something that happened before a species popped up and created this thing we experience, "time".

Posting speculative ideas like I did is like.... playing tea party without even owning a fake tea set. 🍵 ☕️ 🫖


(Reading about e.t. encounters ... there's always this common occurrence, anything the craft touches in nature kills it, melts it, or something related to a nuclear contaminated site yet no explanation... and nothing quite like anything seen before, it's always peaked my interest; why is this e.t. material described as if a metal yet unlike any metal identifiable on earth? Maybe it's just really interesting sci-fi material and I seen too much x-files back in the day...)

originally posted by: SmartRetard
A few basic laws that run our planet and lives... like the law of thermodynamics. Apply this to adding a foreign material, something completely alien to its environment, something that has developed chemical properties of no relation to anything in said habitat. Anything remotely close to this scenario, we see in all walks of life becomes catastrophic.

Could you give an example of that happening?
Thanks in advance.

To believe we would have an opportunity to interact with these beings is saying.... we must have a similar chemical makeup.

Compatible is enough, no need for similar.

originally posted by: FingerMan
Anyone wondering why I have posts removed, do not worry. I did not post anything salacious or bad. I did say I was being trolled by "cannot name the person or post will be removed".

Just trying to prevent my thread from being hijacked, for which I was not successful. But depending on the person, you can't stop that.

YOUR thread? Once posted it’s ATS communities to respond to and the mods to maintain.

I’ve yet to see anything compelling in all the pages here for anything to suggest ET has ever visited, let alone on the regular. There’s a lot of faith it happens, but that crosses into a different field.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: SmartRetard
A few basic laws that run our planet and lives... like the law of thermodynamics. Apply this to adding a foreign material, something completely alien to its environment, something that has developed chemical properties of no relation to anything in said habitat. Anything remotely close to this scenario, we see in all walks of life becomes catastrophic.

Could you give an example of that happening?
Thanks in advance.

Contamination?

Cancer, "In metastasis, cancer cells break away from where they first formed, travel through the blood or lymph system, and form new tumors in other parts of the body. Cancer can spread to almost anywhere in the body. But it commonly moves into your bones, liver, or lungs,"

Gangrene, "An untreated bacterial infection can cause gangrene. Traumatic injury. Gunshot wounds or crushing injuries from car crashes can cause open wounds that let bacteria into the body. If the bacteria infect tissues and remain untreated, gangrene can occur."

smallpox-
"When the Europeans arrived, carrying germs which thrived in dense, semi-urban populations, the indigenous people of the Americas were effectively doomed. They had never experienced smallpox, measles or flu before, and the viruses tore through the continent, killing an estimated 90% of Native Americans"
swimming pools, ants + bleach, Amazon rainforest, Roswell

"The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of a system either increases or remains constant in any spontaneous process; it never decreases."

Entropy can be applied to many things... and the duality factor.

a reply to: SmartRetard

None of those examples are "a foreign material", they are living entities that attack other living entities that are compatible with their attack method.

doubt it, considering how everywhere in the universe is about the same age, most likely if there are other intelligent civilizations out there they are probably around the same level of technology as we are give or take a few hundred years, so we will probably meet others within the next few hundred years at the minimum. i highly doubt we are being visited since our civilization hasn't been destroyed or subjugated or invaded yet. first contact likely wont be peaceful or hidden.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: SmartRetard

None of those examples are "a foreign material", they are living entities that attack other living entities that are compatible with their attack method.

So with the cancer growths from all these preservatives that our body doesn't know what to do with and stores as fat isn't a "foreign material"?

Idk... I think, in my humble opinion, you're reaching pretty far by saying the synthetic stuff isn't foreign but "living entities that attack living entities...". But I understand your stance and you're reasoning for not jumping aboard statements about extraterrestrial interaction.

I'm speculating on reasons for no "contact". Do you have anything better? Or do you just try to tell folks they're full of it and mosey along?

originally posted by: namehere
doubt it, considering how everywhere in the universe is about the same age, most likely if there are other intelligent civilizations out there they are probably around the same level of technology as we are give or take a few hundred years, so we will probably meet others within the next few hundred years at the minimum. i highly doubt we are being visited since our civilization hasn't been destroyed or subjugated or invaded yet. first contact likely wont be peaceful or hidden.

Our universe is estimated to be 13.7 billion years old.

And our planet Earth is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old.

So it's likely that many civilizations in our universe have achieved the feat of interstellar travel.

Without me having any kind of proof whatsoever….there has to be life beyond Earth….imo.

Here’s a compelling vid of leaving and returning back to earth.

The scenario could be us leaving, and then on the return it could be extraterrestrials arriving…to give context to what extraterrestrials might see heading for earth.

Food for thought…


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originally posted by: SmartRetard
So with the cancer growths from all these preservatives that our body doesn't know what to do with and stores as fat isn't a "foreign material"?

The example you gave talked about cancer cells spreading, not about the reason for the presence of those cells. A cancer cell is not a "foreign material".

Idk... I think, in my humble opinion, you're reaching pretty far by saying the synthetic stuff isn't foreign but "living entities that attack living entities...". But I understand your stance and you're reasoning for not jumping aboard statements about extraterrestrial interaction.

You didn't mention "synthetic stuff" in your examples, you mentioned cancer cells, bacteria and virus.

I'm speculating on reasons for no "contact". Do you have anything better? Or do you just try to tell folks they're full of it and mosey along?

"Better" is relative. To me, the non-existence of aliens is the best reason for no contact.

And what I am doing is trying to understand your idea for aliens being "toxic to our atmosphere". An example of a similar situation would be good.

originally posted by: ArMaP


And what I am doing is trying to understand your idea for aliens being "toxic to our atmosphere". An example of a similar situation would be good.

Well here's the thesis:
To travel light years in cosmic radiation, something us earthlings have yet to figure out, would be the initial concern that peaks one's interest. And would mean they have out-of-this-world chemical properties. No pun intended.

So simply take that and run with it...

*The eye witness accounts of people coming in contact just adds monomethyl hydrazine to the fire

**of course, I'm sure you could imagine, giving an example of chemical properties unknown and how it could effect our atmosphere is impossible without pulling some bs out of one's backside, but some things go without saying... or should... o_O

originally posted by: SmartRetard
Well here's the thesis:
To travel light years in cosmic radiation, something us earthlings have yet to figure out, would be the initial concern that peaks one's interest. And would mean they have out-of-this-world chemical properties. No pun intended.

It's OK to imagine things, but I like to keep it based on what we know, that's probably why I don't understand why a possible chemical protection against radiation (how would that work) would be "toxic to our atmosphere".

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: SmartRetard
Well here's the thesis:
To travel light years in cosmic radiation, something us earthlings have yet to figure out, would be the initial concern that peaks one's interest. And would mean they have out-of-this-world chemical properties. No pun intended.

It's OK to imagine things, but I like to keep it based on what we know, that's probably why I don't understand why a possible chemical protection against radiation (how would that work) would be "toxic to our atmosphere".

"What we know"
- there it is, you solved it with that... one of the first things I stated was 2nd law of thermodynamics, duality, natural law

If beings spent millions of years in amounts of radiation uncomprehendable to an earth based species like us, they adapted, based on "what we know", into radioactive life forms. They would have to, right? Because when we are out there... the body begins breaking down, trying to develop an immunity to the toxic environment. It has to eventually BECOME "toxic" or a contaminated chemical makeup that would be equivalent to a nuclear war on earth. "Toxic to our environment" was wrong... I don't know if you'd call it toxic, all the nukes wiping out earth's main ingredients. "Base it on stuff we know" theme... Mars. They'll convert earth into Mars, due to how much they consume uv rays, radiation, all that fun stuff.

They would have to be a CIV 2, to come out here. Right? So they can harness all the energy from star systems. Efficiently. Not wasteful like we are.... so if their bodies have immunity and can use all of a sun's deadly properties, it would decimate everything under the clouds, on earth. Earth gangrene.

Ipso facto - if "they" were here, as we know here on ATS "as above so below", making them, if not "toxic" to organic life... we can instead call it "Chernobyl Extract"

If "they" showed up, the chernobyl extract "life" forms, they would have to be earth cancer. If they see nuclear weaponry and do surveillance recon like people say... they might not actually gravitate towards nuclear plants or silos for reasons we understand.

So we could look at Fukushima from a different light now...

originally posted by: SmartRetard
If beings spent millions of years in amounts of radiation uncomprehendable to an earth based species like us, they adapted, based on "what we know", into radioactive life forms. They would have to, right?

Unless they had some protection around them, in the same way the Earth's protection protects us against a large part of the radiation.

"Toxic to our environment" was wrong... I don't know if you'd call it toxic, all the nukes wiping out earth's main ingredients. "Base it on stuff we know" theme... Mars. They'll convert earth into Mars, due to how much they consume uv rays, radiation, all that fun stuff.

Now that I know what you meant I agree that "toxic" was the wrong choice, toxicity (besides being a System Of A Down song) is a specific thing, and that wasn't helping me understand what you meant.

They would have to be a CIV 2, to come out here. Right?

Right.

So they can harness all the energy from star systems. Efficiently. Not wasteful like we are.... so if their bodies have immunity and can use all of a sun's deadly properties, it would decimate everything under the clouds, on earth. Earth gangrene.

To me, using the energy in an efficient way would mean not going against anything in a star system but using it without wasting it.

Ipso facto - if "they" were here, as we know here on ATS "as above so below", making them, if not "toxic" to organic life... we can instead call it "Chernobyl Extract"

If "they" showed up, the chernobyl extract "life" forms, they would have to be earth cancer. If they see nuclear weaponry and do surveillance recon like people say... they might not actually gravitate towards nuclear plants or silos for reasons we understand.

So we could look at Fukushima from a different light now...

Thanks for your explanation, now I understand what you mean, although I do not fully agree with it.

originally posted by: namehere
i highly doubt we are being visited since our civilization hasn't been destroyed or subjugated or invaded yet. first contact likely wont be peaceful or hidden.

We've already been "peaceably invaded" by ET craft, that have been flying over many countries private airspace for decades.

Was it the late Carl Sagan?...who said (in somewhat similar words) that any civilization that had the wherewithal to achieve interstellar travel, would be a peaceful race with non-imperialistic intentions towards other habitable star systems; or they would have destroyed themselves long before they had the chance to develop the technology for interstellar travel.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: SmartRetard
If beings spent millions of years in amounts of radiation uncomprehendable to an earth based species like us, they adapted, based on "what we know", into radioactive life forms. They would have to, right?

Unless they had some protection around them, in the same way the Earth's protection protects us against a large part of the radiation.

"Toxic to our environment" was wrong... I don't know if you'd call it toxic, all the nukes wiping out earth's main ingredients. "Base it on stuff we know" theme... Mars. They'll convert earth into Mars, due to how much they consume uv rays, radiation, all that fun stuff.

Now that I know what you meant I agree that "toxic" was the wrong choice, toxicity (besides being a System Of A Down song) is a specific thing, and that wasn't helping me understand what you meant.

They would have to be a CIV 2, to come out here. Right?

Right.

So they can harness all the energy from star systems. Efficiently. Not wasteful like we are.... so if their bodies have immunity and can use all of a sun's deadly properties, it would decimate everything under the clouds, on earth. Earth gangrene.

To me, using the energy in an efficient way would mean not going against anything in a star system but using it without wasting it.

Ipso facto - if "they" were here, as we know here on ATS "as above so below", making them, if not "toxic" to organic life... we can instead call it "Chernobyl Extract"

If "they" showed up, the chernobyl extract "life" forms, they would have to be earth cancer. If they see nuclear weaponry and do surveillance recon like people say... they might not actually gravitate towards nuclear plants or silos for reasons we understand.

So we could look at Fukushima from a different light now...

Thanks for your explanation, now I understand what you mean, although I do not fully agree with it.

With these possibilities in mind... and the first-hand accounts of UFOs frequently entering our oceans [which already have natural radiation in abundance] and how TEPCO is somehow totally cool with dumping the waste into the oceans that which most of their food comes from... things start to get peculiar... is the ocean working as a protective shield? Are the nuclear plant mishaps actually intentional by alternative forces humanity has no choice but to comply with, completely disregarding our planet's well-being? Surely those guys across the ocean are not as complacent as their actions are proving.

There's more than enough red flags for us to ponder if the ones pulling the strings do not depend on mother earth to survive. And any resistance has proven completely futile, at least from my sofa it appears as such.

Sometimes it's as if the Gods are laughing at us... eating popcorn.... enjoying the show....

Agree with this notion and disagree with NDT. We study everything from the smallest insects to the biggest mammals. Such a diverse planet where countless species exist, and the top species that's shaping their environment and most advanced wouldn't be studied by an exo species coming across us? I think it's more likely we're a scientific zoo at this point being studied by numerous species where interactions of them have been documented throughout our history.

The Aliens have been identified. Seems they were hiding within society the whole time. lol lol

originally posted by: andy06shake

 

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Good. Someone finally giving him some medicine he needs.