Ukraine is running low on ammo. Europe faces pressure to produce more

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Imhere

So the Azov etc are getting chased out and retreating from Bakhmut,

Azov ? Bakhmut ?

Where does it mention either of those in the report i linked ?

Stop trolling.

From your link:

Russian mercenary boss Yevgeny Prigozhin has blamed Russian deaths in Ukraine on the recent shortage.

Everyone knows that Prigozhin is in Bakhmut.

And the article you linked suggests that Russians ran out of ammo and are using shovels.

Even though the article didn’t “specify exactly where the shovel battle took place” but went ahead with Prigozhin. Who was filmed flying around Bakhmut recently. And has been concentrated in Bakhmut.

Also Azov is/was stationed in Bakhmut.

Bakhmut is falling, and has been getting encircled past days. All major roads are cut off and under operational encirclement.

Stop accusing people of trolling because you’re less educated on the situation there.

a reply to: Imhere

Stop taking the piss.

There is no mention of Azov or Bakhmut in that article. That wagner piece of piss has been talking about shortages for weeks.

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: Imhere

Why do you keep trying to wriggle away? You clearly said that they consider themselves Nazis. But you keep posting all this other nonsense.

Some congressmember in 2015 said Azov are Nazis, then they change their mind. And Kiev Post, lol. Are you serious? All that, and you can't even be bothered to post an actual link.

Why are you wasting your time on this? It's not worth the imaginary internet points, let's be straight with each other instead.

You have been told to simply type in Azov and click search. Nearly everything surrounding Azov is known about it being a Neo Nazi paramilitary militia.

It comes from “Pro Western” sources and Ukrainian sources too.

You even have “Pro Zelensky” supporters here who acknowledge this. And say well “Azov is only made up of a few thousands” etc.

It’s been shown here in many threads. In the past days, weeks and months. Lots videos/pics of Azov priding themselves being a Nazi unit. Celebrating WW2 Nazi roots etc.

Hailing Stepan Bandera etc.

a reply to: Imhere

Azov isn't even Western, do you realize that? And I'm not going to google it for you because I can't google what doesn't exist. So you have have to deal with this on your own, either put your money where your mouth is or swallow your pride. Just repeating your opinions and feelings over and over again doesn't make them facts. Even if your pro Zelensky buddies agree with your or whatever.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Imhere

Stop taking the piss.

There is no mention of Azov or Bakhmut in that article. That wagner piece of piss has been talking about shortages for weeks.

lol

Your link clearly mentions that it didn’t specify where the shovel battle took place late last month.

The MoD did not say where the battles where shovels were being used took place.

Yet, the article goes on with Prigozhin talking about shortages past weeks.

Where has Prigozhin been seen and updating from?

In Bakhmut.

They didn’t want to mention Bakhmut directly, because it would look stupid. Considering it’s being encircled as we speak. Using shovels and all.

This smells strange. There’s not mass invasion of Normandy battles here. This is modern warfare. How are they consuming bullets this fast? Smoke, mirrors and a stinky red herring.

a reply to: putnam6

Well, Lloyd Austin (the US Sec. of Defense) has begun to cry sour grapes over Bakhmut. He's now saying that the loss is more symbolic than meaningful. This is probably true from a strategic sense, but the thousands of Ukrainian troops that got slaughtered defending this place are most definitely important.

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: iamthevirus

Running out of answers already?

I understand. It's no easy thing to free your mind. But that cognitive dissonance you're feeling is also the strength to do it.

Save that for another discussion, but as we all know there is a left/right (collectivism/individualism) spectrum.

Socialism and Communism are both Left Spectrum as is militant socialism (Nazism)

a reply to: Cutepants

I'm a Fascist, you're a Nazi... but I luv ya

let's get it on!





Only in the scatterbrained mind of a European can a Socialist be Right-wing... unless your "center" is so far left that it falls between Communism and Socialism.

"What is a German socialist?

The German Socialist Party was a German nationalist, far-right party during the early years of the Weimar Republic.

the NSDAP's leading speaker, Adolf Hitler"

Hitler/Nazism is a Leftist (DLP) ideology.

originally posted by: iamthevirus
Socialism and Communism are both Left Spectrum as is militant socialism (Nazism)

Nope. Nazism is not on the left. Just because it contains the word "socialism" does not mean that it is socialist in the context of "the means of production and social ownership" i.e. the leftist interpretation. Nazism was a form of facsism.

The Azov battalion was created in 2014 and is used by some people to perpetuate the myth of Ukrainian Nazi/fascists, especially in Russian propaganda. Remember that Russia's original objective in the war they stared was "de-Nazification", so keeping up the narrative is an important part of their propaganda policy.

The fact is that the Azov Battalion is a small part of the Ukrainian National Guard. If it has any neo-Nazi association in the early days, this has long since been lost.

a reply to: paraphi

Globalism is the New Nationalism.

Nationalism is but a tool, can be used by either side, usually to become "militant"

The underlying difference in ideologies is Individualism and Collectivism.

Hitler was no doubt a "collectivist" which equals left-spectrum (a militant socialist)

Which the Democrats/Liberals/Progressives are about to become if they don't pay attention to what's happening to them and how they are being radicalized to globalism.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Not sure what you are talking about with your continual ranting about "collectivism" and "individualism". I know what they mean, but what's the context here in relation to the discussion?

The discussion is on ammo stocks.

Happy to shoot the breeze if you want to set up a separate discussion, and we can talk student politics, eh?

a reply to: paraphi

Radicalization to Globalism, the New Nationalism (collectivism)

This is why people are fighting it, choosing instead to remain (individual) sovereign, unique.

originally posted by: paraphi


The discussion is on ammo stocks.

Yeah no problem... but atleast you now have a clearer picture why people view Ukrainian troops as "Globalist troops" and why Putin and people believe they're having a bit of a Nazi (left-spectrum) problem in Ukraine.

a reply to: paraphi

just curious but how did it lose the association
do the fascist nazi types just get bored and quit ?
were they forced out

a reply to: putnam6

Apparently, Russia seems to be running low on artillery munitions of all things.

In a video that ran on Russian state media, Wagner Group fighters complain that they are running low on combat vehicles, artillery shells and ammunition, which is limiting their ability to conquer Bakhmut

edition.cnn.com...#:~:text=In%20a%20video%20that%20ran,This%20year% 20we%20will%20win!

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: paraphi

just curious but how did it lose the association
do the fascist nazi types just get bored and quit ?
were they forced out

How Globalism Went From Right to Left Wing

the New Nationalism

If the casualty rates stated are indeed around 7-1 in Ukraine's favor it must be a complete and utter slaughter reminiscent of the likes of the Battle of Stalingrad.

a reply to: iamthevirus

You don't think fascism is collectivist?

And the Nazis weren't socialists because they didn't want collective ownership of the means of production. Notice that I'm not saying they were right-wing though. They were centrists on the left-right axis.

I'm surprised they have so many soldiers