China is still moving ahead with coal power despite climate crisis

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Stuey1221

I have a question for the climate change deniers..

That's rich coming from the biology deniers.

Why are you all so opposed to it?

Because it's based on political agenda.

It has NO FRACKING basis is what would be called REAL SCIENCE.

Destroying the cheapest energy source known to mankind that works REGARDLESS of the WEATHER AKA CIIMATE.

Then replace it with the electricification of ALL things that make the world go round literally- The problem with that as pointed out in the op.

Green energy FAILS massively in production and dependability, and do yourself a favor.

Go look up just EXACTLY how lithium is mined.

As to c02.

We are a carbon base life form.

Carbon is a primary component of all known life on Earth, representing approximately 45–50% of all dry biomass.[1] Carbon compounds occur naturally in great abundance on Earth.

Idiots that push carbon reduction are pushing GENOCIDE.

Plant more trees instead of taking everyone back to the stone age- Well that is those western countries that go along with that farce ensuring Chinas dominance in ruling the world.

The simple truth the church of climatology ignores. China will do what China wants, and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Thank you! An actual response. I'm not a biology denier, I just wanted to understand from the POV of someone who doesn't believe in climate change. I don't see the connection between cutting out carbon emissions and genocide though? What will happen when Coal runs out, granted that could take a long ass time but question still remains the same there. What's your opinion on nuclear power?

Definitely agree on planting more trees! and lithium mining is one seriously f***** up process, that really needs to be shown to the masses more as well.

And yeah, China will always do what China wants, really not a fan of the CCP in the slightest.

originally posted by: Stuey1221

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Thank you! An actual response. I'm not a biology denier, I just wanted to understand from the POV of someone who doesn't believe in climate change. I don't see the connection between cutting out carbon emissions and genocide though? What will happen when Coal runs out, granted that could take a long ass time but question still remains the same there. What's your opinion on nuclear power?

Definitely agree on planting more trees! and lithium mining is one seriously f***** up process, that really needs to be shown to the masses more as well.

And yeah, China will always do what China wants, really not a fan of the CCP in the slightest.

If I may interject here; I focus on the words.

"Climate change" is like saying "weather change" is it not a crushing "new" high priority development of hitherto unseen effects. It has been going on for the entire history of mankind.

Some have taken to saying, "there is no such thing" but it's not the "change" that they are denying, it's the "crisis" with all the faux 'remedies' being foisted upon the world by people who hypocritically "talk the talk" but don't "walk the walk."

There is no reason to expect the climate isn't changing - it has ALWAYS been changing and it always will - it's the farcical 'reality TV' propaganda that infuriates. It's the repeated "because of climate change" that has become an excuse for the rich to get richer, and the desperate poor to bear the burden.

Energy use is not a "privilege" but a necessity in the world we live in. The environmentalist paradigm is that it's to be doled out and regulated by people who lack for nothing...

Just look at the idea about "China" or India not being "industrialized." Really? Take a good look because industry is where all their wealth goes. And it is "industry" that makes the lion share of the impact we are told to attribute to the "regular folks" like you and I.

The fantasies spewed forth by the media are a large part of the problem... and they are the first to repeat the climate mantra which excuses the profiteering of the "carbon economy" ...

Sorry if you think the denial of the climate change crisis is really about the climate change part... but that IS part of the "messaging" ... a programmed knee-jerk response to dissent - reinforced by media talking heads and celebrities who only care about virtue signaling. Say anything like what we see here, and watch it be ridiculed by popular press as "out there" and "denialist anti-science talk."

If we really were serious about a more balanced relationship with nature - it wouldn't be about "money" and the people who are concerned would live by example, not by media hype and social media amplification. And the most egregious offenders, like China and India would have their feet put to the fire about how they are making a withdrawal from nature that the rest of the world will have to repay. We have done plenty in this country to "change our ways," yet the worst offenders remain untouched by any measure... and the pressure to accept draconian measures is ever-increasing - as if "we" hadn't made any progress at all.

And all the while the elite jetsetters fly around and wax virtuous about the "problem" and what "we" must endure to solve it.

Your observations are valid... but I fear like many - you simply sense the dissent and assume there is no reason for it. I appreciate your patience to entertain the dissent... that is refreshing.

a reply to: Maxmars

Alternatively, China is putting a lot of effort in the area of afforestation (carbon capture), so yin and yang.

China’s efforts and speed for increasing forest cover deserve applause, according to Dr Ian Miller, Assistant Professor at the St. John’s University specialising in the history of Chinese forestry.

“I don’t think the Chinese government is given enough credit for the speed and extent to which these increased forest cover. There are also signs that Beijing is learning important lessons from the shortcomings of previous efforts, including increased emphasis on planting trees appropriate for local and regional environments,” Dr Miller told FairPlanet.

www.fairplanet.org...

originally posted by: Stuey1221
I have a question for the climate change deniers... Why are you all so opposed to it? I have no problem with anyone having an opinion on something and I'm not out to start an argument or try and sway anyone's thoughts on the matter.

But, if the evidence points to dropping the Co2 etc... having a positive impact on everyone, why is that a bad thing?

Because the ppl (leaders, not regular ppl) that push it are LIARS THAT LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING. Why should I trust anything they say?

a reply to: quintessentone

Alternatively, China is putting a lot of effort in the area of afforestation (carbon capture), so yin and yang.

That's an effing joke.

The SAME China that is currently using their prisoners for organ harvesting.

THEY DON'T give one rats ass about the planet or people in it.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: quintessentone

Alternatively, China is putting a lot of effort in the area of afforestation (carbon capture), so yin and yang.

That's an effing joke.

The SAME China that is currently using their prisoners for organ harvesting.

THEY DON'T give one rats ass about the planet or people in it.

That could be true about not caring about their own people, but they care about something because they are putting a big effort into it.

a reply to: neo96

"Idiots that push carbon reduction are pushing GENOCIDE."

Totally agree. I have no patience for those that are going to lead to millions being enslaved / starved to death via a modern Maoist system where zero carbon collapses our western world and allows phychos like the CCP to become dominant.

Idgaf if you don't think I'm mature. I've gone beyond caring tbh. I've spent 20 years obsessed with politics and science. I know exactly which side of history those flapping their arms about saying "the sky is falling - let's sell out our kids future and submit to globalist totalitarians" are going to end up on.

Use your head and don't be so arrogant to rely on your feelings and fear as adequate detectors for the "right way forward".

Just because the telly and the IPCC gang up on skeptical science, doesn't mean they are right.

The fraud is right in your face at the CRU, use a search engine other than Google, and look into the climate gate emails, "hide the decline" and what the temperature record looked pre 1990's IPCC publications.

They lie about the 30's being cooler than today, they lie about the satellite record starting in 1979, they lie about the land based temperature stations and how these are affected by urban heating effect, and also interestingly the fall of the Soviet Union.

When the union fell, average land based temps world wide rose. I wonder why.

Most of these records have been adjusted, little by little over the last couple of decades.

There are papers showing by how much. They made the past cooler and the present warmer.

Stop being a sucker, you're supporting a future genocide. Alternative energy sources will never be more reliable or energy dense than fossil fuels.

/Rant over

Sorry

originally posted by: Maxmars

originally posted by: Stuey1221

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Thank you! An actual response. I'm not a biology denier, I just wanted to understand from the POV of someone who doesn't believe in climate change. I don't see the connection between cutting out carbon emissions and genocide though? What will happen when Coal runs out, granted that could take a long ass time but question still remains the same there. What's your opinion on nuclear power?

Definitely agree on planting more trees! and lithium mining is one seriously f***** up process, that really needs to be shown to the masses more as well.

And yeah, China will always do what China wants, really not a fan of the CCP in the slightest.

I fi may interject here; I focus on the words.

"Climate change" is like saying "weather change" is it not a crushing "new" high priority development of hitherto unseen effects. It has been going on for the entire history of mankind.

Some have taken to saying, "there is no such thing" but it's not the "change" that they are denying, it's the "crisis" with all the faux 'remedies' being foisted upon the world by people who hypocritically "talk the talk" but don't "walk the walk."

There is no reason to expect the climate isn't changing - it has ALWAYS been changing and it always will - it's the farcical 'reality TV' propaganda that infuriates. It's the repeated "because of climate change" that has become an excuse for the rich to get richer, and the desperate poor to bear the burden.

Energy use is not a "privilege" but a necessity in the world we live in. The environmentalist paradigm is that it's to be doled out and regulated by people who lack for nothing...

Just look at the idea about "China" or India not being "industrialized." Really? Take a good look because industry is where all their wealth goes. And it is "industry" that makes the lion share of the impact we are told to attribute to the "regular folks" like you and I.

The fantasies spewed forth by the media are a large part of the problem... and they are the first to repeat the climate mantra which excuses the profiteering of the "carbon economy" ...

Sorry if you think the denial of the climate change crisis is really about the climate change part... but that IS part of the "messaging" ... a programmed knee-jerk response to dissent - reinforced by media talking heads and celebrities who only care about virtue signaling. Say anything like what we see here, and watch it be ridiculed by popular press as "out there" and "denialist anti-science talk."

If we really were serious about a more balanced relationship with nature - it wouldn't be about "money" and the people who are concerned would live by example, not by media hype and social media amplification. And the most egregious offenders, like China and India would have their feet put to the fire about how they are making a withdrawal from nature that the rest of the world will have to repay. We have done plenty in this country to "change our ways," yet the worst offenders remain untouched by any measure... and the pressure to accept draconian measures is ever-increasing - as if "we" hadn't made any progress at all.

And all the while the elite jetsetters fly around and wax virtuous about the "problem" and what "we" must endure to solve it.

Your observations are valid... but I fear like many - you simply sense the dissent and assume there is no reason for it. I appreciate your patience to entertain the dissent... that is refreshing.

Thanks for the response! I'm always happy to entertain the dissent as you word it. It's a 2 way street, if I'm willing to try and alter someone else's opinion on a matter then why shouldn't I see it from their side first and maybe alter my own.

originally posted by: Stuey1221
I have a question for the climate change deniers... Why are you all so opposed to it? I have no problem with anyone having an opinion on something and I'm not out to start an argument or try and sway anyone's thoughts on the matter.

But, if the evidence points to dropping the Co2 etc... having a positive impact on everyone, why is that a bad thing?

There's no proof CO2 is increasing.

There's no proof CO2 causes climate change.

The Sun and Natural Earth events are 100 million times stronger.

originally posted by: Stuey1221
I have a question for the climate change deniers... Why are you all so opposed to it? I have no problem with anyone having an opinion on something and I'm not out to start an argument or try and sway anyone's thoughts on the matter.

But, if the evidence points to dropping the Co2 etc... having a positive impact on everyone, why is that a bad thing?

Why a bad thing ?

Because this CO2 bogeyman is used by globalists to force "commoners" to become impoverished, freeze in winter, reduce fertilizers and agricultural production, and then raise food prices and FORCE US TO EAT BUGS.

This is psychopathy.
There is ZERO evidence linking CO2 to planetary changes. "Pauses" in warming have been observed despite rising CO2.

With respect to health of the planet, CO2 is actually ADDED in greenhouses to HELP plant growth.


Finally, with respect to coal plants, they have largely been replaced by gas plants in the West.
The problem is CHINA's and CHINA's alone, which Climatard hero Greta NEVER mentions.



Good luck fighting the CCP

I'm loving all the snow and sunny skies today in Southern California. Keep the Global Warming coming!a reply to: Flatcoat

originally posted by: xcaliblur
I'm loving all the snow and sunny skies today in Southern California. Keep the Global Warming coming!a reply to: Flatcoat

originally posted by: Stuey1221
I have a question for the climate change deniers...

I have a question for you...

Why are you framing your question in such an absurdly false and derogatory manner? Gaslight much?

I'm 99.99% sure no one here has ever denied that the climate changes. That would be absurd, because it does. It does so on a daily, weekly, monthly, annual and multi-year basis'. It has done this since time immemorial.

The climate changes. All the time. Full stop.

I'm pretty sure everyone that you would label as a 'climate change denier' falls somewhere between ' the activities of modern man has had and is having some effect on the climate, but it is minor and certainly not worth destroying the entire worlds economy and enslaving the entirety of mankind in some vain attempt to 'do something about it'', and 'it's caused by normal solar activity, cyclical in nature, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it'.

Why are you all so opposed to it?

I'm opposed to it because it is a blatant lie.

I have no problem with anyone having an opinion on something and I'm not out to start an argument or try and sway anyone's thoughts on the matter.

And yet...

But, if the evidence points to dropping the Co2 etc... having a positive impact on everyone, why is that a bad thing?

It's a bad thing because it's a blatant lie.

originally posted by: Stuey1221
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed
... why not cut the money to oil executives who already have too much sway over the world

I have no problem with stopping any and all subsidies to any and all industrries, period. Full stop.

Let the free market decide who (and which technologies) wins and who loses.

by moving away from Fossil fuels? I don't understand why that particular avenue is always skirted around and pushed away?

What is 'skirted around and pushed away' are the massive number of practiocal reasons why we simply cannot move away from fossil fuels right now without returning our economy back to the late 1800's/early nineteen hundreds lifestyle.

Are you ready to do that? Have you?

Government's are #,

Always have been, always will be. I guess that is why Thomas Jefferson once wrote:

"What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure."

I don't vote, never have and I never will because I really can't see the point

Then you are one of the problems. An impotent armchair warrior, who does nothing but complain.

But I can't understand why the hate of the topic and the denial (only word I could thing of) of any good aspects of it all because you don't believe in it?

Because we know it is a lie. Big difference.

I don't think anyone is against new technology, and I personally love the idea of electric vehicles. But the battery technology isn't anywhere near where it needs to be, and there is simply no way in hell that so-called 'renewable energy' can even provide 10% of our current energy needs.

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: GandalftheLegless
No, I am not, although they are very connected.

They are similar, but not 'very connected'.

I am extremely in favor of holding big corporations 100% liable - including holding corporate officers criminally liable when t he circumstances warrant it - for all damages where environmental damage is concerned, from the cleanup costs, to compensating people for damages (lost wages, healthcare costs, etc).

I am 100% against forcing companies out of business because 'feelz'.

originally posted by: Stuey1221
a reply to: GandalftheLegless
I just don't understand why people are so against something that could do good for everyone and the planet? Genuinely makes no sense, but sure, throw out the insults and avoid answering the questions, real mature.

So... you're saying you're incapable of comprehending that people who believe that those who claim that lowering CO2 emissions will do anything whatsoever to 'fight climate change', but it will destroy the entire worlds economy and cause the deaths of millions of people because you think you know something that just ain't so.

a reply to: Flatcoat

You hit the nail head, is not and never been an energy crisis, is a globalist money scam crisis.

That is why China does not give two rats asses about the manufactured clima scam.

a reply to: Maxmars

I didn't ask for all this crap that's wrapped in plastic but I sure as hell will get the blame for it. Anyone ready to blame capitalism yet? It's a shame because they're capitalising on us all the way to the bank.

At the same time financially is the only way to incentivise the masses, I'm sure deep down everyone would love to protect the environment and invest in a greener future but not everyone is going to find the time or money in this modern stressful world.

Maybe it's all just wealth transfer. That's going to happen anyways, it be nice to be poor in a clean world wouldn't it?

a reply to: RAY1990

Ironically, it is the poor who will suffer most in their concept of a 'cleaner world.'

They will lack the access to energy to apply to innovation, sanitation, education, and more.

The current trope of the globalist environmentalist is far from logical and presupposes that the environment is a form of 'bank account.' The pretense is that mankind is a 'consumer' instead of a participant. Of course, with 'consumership' comes commerce, and "new" commerce is always seized and exploited by those in power.

That 'power' is being amplified by media and social engineering... we are told that "they are virtuous, and knowledgeable..." so we should listen to them... but they are neither - as their behavior and words plainly demonstrates.

They have used this faux 'appearance of morality' to cast us into a light of being obliged to act... but are silent when it comes to the reason why only "some of us" have to act... therein you will find the lies...

China knows is a globalist scam, Democrats been in bed with China are cashing out on the clima scaremongering while giving China a way to make money with Americas "green stupidity", China is the one to benefit the most with a "clean world" that is a fallacy a fantasy and nothing more than a lie.

Because the green utopia is fields for miles of glass panels made in china where once was fertile crops fields and cement windmills where once it was forest of living trees.

That is what globalist clima scam world is going to look like, while people freeze in the winter because the vulnerability of this new approach to energy, the globalist elite will be nice and warm in their billions and million dollars fortresses.

People are nothing but idiots.