Will you take the H5N1 bird flu vaccine

a reply to: litterbaux

Allergic to vaccines, so nope.

Sorry.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: chr0naut

I don't care what the study shows. All I know is that people who got vaccinated are dropping like flies with heart attacks, from the age of 15 and up. Healthy football, basketball, and baseball stars. If you feel comfortable risking that, more power to you. I'm glad I wasn't dumb enough to fall for it and none of my family or friends were.

People were dropping like flies from heart attacks prior to the vaccines. It has been the number 1 cause of death in first world countries, for decades.

Heart attack deaths in 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 - ONS

Overall, heart attack statistics have fallen during the last 20 years:

Heart Attack Deaths Drop Over Past Two Decades - American College of Cardiology 2023 report

The alleged rise in heart attacks in young people is part of a social media anti-vax campaign and the recent fluctuations in numbers are officially suspected to be related more to the effects of the pandemic, which peaked in number of active infections in January 2023.

You are mistaken for once more and you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality. Pretty much every single case of heart relating conditions post vaccination, with the possible exception of only very few, are due to the free spike protein from the mRNA products.


Here is the peer reviewed publication you seem to ignore it disregard as I have posted many times in the past.

www.ahajournals.org...

The study shows that the immunological response elicited by the mRNA vaccine was very similar in those who developed post-vaccination myocarditis and others. In other words, myocarditis could not be associated with abnormal autoantibodies, viral infections other than SARS-CoV-2, or excessive production of antibodies elicited by the mRNA vaccine.

In vaccinated patients, infection with the virus was not likely to be a cause or contributing factor for myocarditis since anti-Nucleoprotein IgG was not found in these patients.

In contrast to controls, the finding of high levels of unbound full-length spike protein in myocarditis patients may point to the mechanism by which this condition arises. Similarly, MIS-C patients had circulating SARS-CoV-2 antigens.

The spike protein appears to evade immune antibodies found at normal levels in these patients, with adequate functional and neutralization capacity. The spike may damage the cardiac pericytes or endothelium, perhaps by reducing the expression of the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), reducing nitric oxide production in the endothelium, or activating inflammation via integrins, causing the endothelium to become abnormally permeable.

The vast majority of cases of myocarditis post vaccination are due to the free spike protein i.e due to the mRNA vaccines. That is true for all other related heart issues post vaccination. This study proves in a few words that the usual suspect is most likely responsible for any problems created post vaccination.

originally posted by: chr0naut

People were dropping like flies from heart attacks prior to the vaccines. It has been the number 1 cause of death in first world countries, for decades.

Heart attack deaths in 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 - ONS

Overall, heart attack statistics have fallen during the last 20 years:

Heart Attack Deaths Drop Over Past Two Decades - American College of Cardiology 2023 report

The alleged rise in heart attacks in young people is part of a social media anti-vax campaign and the recent fluctuations in numbers are officially suspected to be related more to the effects of the pandemic, which peaked in number of active infections in January 2023.

Did you actually check the studies you posted, or did you hope no one else would?

The first one, a study based on “deaths registered between 1 January 2019 and 31 January 2022” (yes, 31 January), stating 2021 as provisional, actually show an increase, especially between 2020 and 2021. Additionally, if you look at January 2022 data (1915), and extrapolate over 12 months, you’ll get 22980, as compared to 2019 (19386) and 2020 (19440).

Your other study, presented in Feb 2023, uses data from “1999-2020” to support their conclusions.

One could call this intellectual dishonesty, or an attempt at outright deceit. What do you call it?

a reply to: anonentity

It seems like the story has dropped off of the news. Probably because everyone is saying "NO!" to a new vaccine.

My biggest concern is if there is a real threat, people won't take the precautions that they should. They will just shrug it off as nothing and then boom... we actually have a really bad pandemic.

Don't take that scenario completely off the table. Stay vigilent, stay healthy and of course keep your head on a swivel regarding this new form of warfare.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: chr0naut

I don't care what the study shows. All I know is that people who got vaccinated are dropping like flies with heart attacks, from the age of 15 and up. Healthy football, basketball, and baseball stars. If you feel comfortable risking that, more power to you. I'm glad I wasn't dumb enough to fall for it and none of my family or friends were.

See the study above as it shows clearly that every problem post vaccination is due to the free spike protein. It's a blow to all those vaccine apologists who argue that everything is responsible including climate change, Donald Trump, and the Republicans.

a reply to: chr0naut

Nah man, not young people.

Try again.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: litterbaux

They have dumped a vast amount of the population's immune system

Vaccines use the human immune system. They don't prevent it from functioning.

, of course, there will be more pandemics. Compromising the immune system with the bit of HIV spliced in was one of the more fiendish ideas.

There is no sequence in SARS-CoV-3 that is similar to any HIV sequence.

Handing over the way they would be actioned on to the WHO gives the governments no liabilities or so they think. But things at the rate they are going will never get that far.

The WHO coordinates and advises governments and NGO's on the actions to take in their respective domains of responsibility.

As Trump demonstrated, the WHO can be ignored and defunded by any national government that chooses to do so.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: litterbaux

They have dumped a vast amount of the population's immune system

Vaccines use the human immune system. They don't prevent it from functioning.

, of course, there will be more pandemics. Compromising the immune system with the bit of HIV spliced in was one of the more fiendish ideas.

There is no sequence in SARS-CoV-3 that is similar to any HIV sequence.

Handing over the way they would be actioned on to the WHO gives the governments no liabilities or so they think. But things at the rate they are going will never get that far.

The WHO coordinates and advises governments and NGO's on the actions to take in their respective domains of responsibility.

As Trump demonstrated, the WHO can be ignored and defunded by any national government that chooses to do so.

What SARS-CoV-3 are you talking about??

If you get any of the serious adverse reactions from the mRNA products that will have a direct consequence to your immune system. One such serious adverse reactions are autoimmune disorders. So yes, the "vaccines" can result in immune dysfunction.

originally posted by: Durden

originally posted by: chr0naut

People were dropping like flies from heart attacks prior to the vaccines. It has been the number 1 cause of death in first world countries, for decades.

Heart attack deaths in 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 - ONS

Overall, heart attack statistics have fallen during the last 20 years:

Heart Attack Deaths Drop Over Past Two Decades - American College of Cardiology 2023 report

The alleged rise in heart attacks in young people is part of a social media anti-vax campaign and the recent fluctuations in numbers are officially suspected to be related more to the effects of the pandemic, which peaked in number of active infections in January 2023.

Did you actually check the studies you posted, or did you hope no one else would?

The first one, a study based on “deaths registered between 1 January 2019 and 31 January 2022” (yes, 31 January), stating 2021 as provisional, actually show an increase, especially between 2020 and 2021. Additionally, if you look at January 2022 data (1915), and extrapolate over 12 months, you’ll get 22980, as compared to 2019 (19386) and 2020 (19440).

Your other study, presented in Feb 2023, uses data from “1999-2020” to support their conclusions.

One could call this intellectual dishonesty, or an attempt at outright deceit. What do you call it?

I am aware that the mortality data is not complete for recent years. That cuts both ways, as those drawing wild doom porn conclusions are basing them on volatile, incomplete and provisional data.

I call those who take minute upswings in provisional and incomplete data, ignoring previous volatility, and project that over entire years, doom porn merchants - clearly with an anti-vaccine agenda.

The peak in numbers of active infections of COVID-19 happened in January 2023, and was a known cause of mortality included the excess 'all-cause' classification. This is usually mentioned in 'official' explanations but is a factor ignored by the anti-vaxxers.

Also, as has been pointed out by anti-vaxxers and 'plandemic' conspiracists, COVID-19 deaths usually had comorbidities. Now that the disease is becoming less deadly, those comorbidities rise as primary cause of death, even though COVID is present, it is no longer classified as primary cause, and so other primary causes of death are rising for that reason.

The vaccine adverse reactions are rare, and occur far less than the symptoms of the disease itself which are hundreds of times more frequent. So, with the peak in active infection numbers occurring so recently, it has an effect of masking ANY statistical alternate possible cause (such as the vaccines) in generalized mortality data.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: chr0naut

Nah man, not young people.

Try again.

Go back to the ONS report. Yes young people.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: litterbaux

They have dumped a vast amount of the population's immune system

Vaccines use the human immune system. They don't prevent it from functioning.

, of course, there will be more pandemics. Compromising the immune system with the bit of HIV spliced in was one of the more fiendish ideas.

There is no sequence in SARS-CoV-3 that is similar to any HIV sequence.

Handing over the way they would be actioned on to the WHO gives the governments no liabilities or so they think. But things at the rate they are going will never get that far.

The WHO coordinates and advises governments and NGO's on the actions to take in their respective domains of responsibility.

As Trump demonstrated, the WHO can be ignored and defunded by any national government that chooses to do so.

What SARS-CoV-3 are you talking about??

The Alpha, Delta and Omicron strains. I have not bothered checking in BLAST if less prevalent strains had suddenly been 'engineered' to add sequences from HIV, because that would be an absurd thing for anyone to do, and is probably not possible in the real world.

If you get any of the serious adverse reactions from the mRNA products that will have a direct consequence to your immune system. One such serious adverse reactions are autoimmune disorders. So yes, the "vaccines" can result in immune dysfunction.

Overresponse by someone's immune system is the the most likely to cause adverse reactions. That would not be a weakening of immune response. Underresponse simply means that the vaccine would be as effective as a placebo.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: chr0naut

I don't care what the study shows. All I know is that people who got vaccinated are dropping like flies with heart attacks, from the age of 15 and up. Healthy football, basketball, and baseball stars. If you feel comfortable risking that, more power to you. I'm glad I wasn't dumb enough to fall for it and none of my family or friends were.

People were dropping like flies from heart attacks prior to the vaccines. It has been the number 1 cause of death in first world countries, for decades.

Heart attack deaths in 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 - ONS

Overall, heart attack statistics have fallen during the last 20 years:

Heart Attack Deaths Drop Over Past Two Decades - American College of Cardiology 2023 report

The alleged rise in heart attacks in young people is part of a social media anti-vax campaign and the recent fluctuations in numbers are officially suspected to be related more to the effects of the pandemic, which peaked in number of active infections in January 2023.

You are mistaken for once more and you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality. Pretty much every single case of heart relating conditions post vaccination, with the possible exception of only very few, are due to the free spike protein from the mRNA products.

Here is the peer reviewed publication you seem to ignore it disregard as I have posted many times in the past.

www.ahajournals.org...

The study shows that the immunological response elicited by the mRNA vaccine was very similar in those who developed post-vaccination myocarditis and others. In other words, myocarditis could not be associated with abnormal autoantibodies, viral infections other than SARS-CoV-2, or excessive production of antibodies elicited by the mRNA vaccine.

In vaccinated patients, infection with the virus was not likely to be a cause or contributing factor for myocarditis since anti-Nucleoprotein IgG was not found in these patients.

In contrast to controls, the finding of high levels of unbound full-length spike protein in myocarditis patients may point to the mechanism by which this condition arises. Similarly, MIS-C patients had circulating SARS-CoV-2 antigens.

The spike protein appears to evade immune antibodies found at normal levels in these patients, with adequate functional and neutralization capacity. The spike may damage the cardiac pericytes or endothelium, perhaps by reducing the expression of the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), reducing nitric oxide production in the endothelium, or activating inflammation via integrins, causing the endothelium to become abnormally permeable.

The vast majority of cases of myocarditis post vaccination are due to the free spike protein i.e due to the mRNA vaccines. That is true for all other related heart issues post vaccination. This study proves in a few words that the usual suspect is most likely responsible for any problems created post vaccination.

I am not ignoring the paper, but it is about a single case, in a single patient, and there have been no similar papers or cases where such has been observed. Since this was only observed once, it may possibly even have been experimental error (although the paper looks fairly scientifically rigorous).

There are many other case studies and papers where it turned out that there was evidences of the disease in suspected adverse reactions.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: chr0naut

I don't care what the study shows. All I know is that people who got vaccinated are dropping like flies with heart attacks, from the age of 15 and up. Healthy football, basketball, and baseball stars. If you feel comfortable risking that, more power to you. I'm glad I wasn't dumb enough to fall for it and none of my family or friends were.

People were dropping like flies from heart attacks prior to the vaccines. It has been the number 1 cause of death in first world countries, for decades.

Heart attack deaths in 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 - ONS

Overall, heart attack statistics have fallen during the last 20 years:

Heart Attack Deaths Drop Over Past Two Decades - American College of Cardiology 2023 report

The alleged rise in heart attacks in young people is part of a social media anti-vax campaign and the recent fluctuations in numbers are officially suspected to be related more to the effects of the pandemic, which peaked in number of active infections in January 2023.

You are mistaken for once more and you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality. Pretty much every single case of heart relating conditions post vaccination, with the possible exception of only very few, are due to the free spike protein from the mRNA products.

Here is the peer reviewed publication you seem to ignore it disregard as I have posted many times in the past.

www.ahajournals.org...

The study shows that the immunological response elicited by the mRNA vaccine was very similar in those who developed post-vaccination myocarditis and others. In other words, myocarditis could not be associated with abnormal autoantibodies, viral infections other than SARS-CoV-2, or excessive production of antibodies elicited by the mRNA vaccine.

In vaccinated patients, infection with the virus was not likely to be a cause or contributing factor for myocarditis since anti-Nucleoprotein IgG was not found in these patients.

In contrast to controls, the finding of high levels of unbound full-length spike protein in myocarditis patients may point to the mechanism by which this condition arises. Similarly, MIS-C patients had circulating SARS-CoV-2 antigens.

The spike protein appears to evade immune antibodies found at normal levels in these patients, with adequate functional and neutralization capacity. The spike may damage the cardiac pericytes or endothelium, perhaps by reducing the expression of the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), reducing nitric oxide production in the endothelium, or activating inflammation via integrins, causing the endothelium to become abnormally permeable.

The vast majority of cases of myocarditis post vaccination are due to the free spike protein i.e due to the mRNA vaccines. That is true for all other related heart issues post vaccination. This study proves in a few words that the usual suspect is most likely responsible for any problems created post vaccination.

I am not ignoring the paper, but it is about a single case, in a single patient, and there have been no similar papers or cases where such has been observed. Since this was only observed once, it may possibly even have been experimental error (although the paper looks fairly scientifically rigorous).

There are many other case studies and papers where it turned out that there was evidences of the disease in suspected adverse reactions.

No a research paper is not written about a single case and a single patient. There is no error and you don't know what you are talking about for once more.

The adverse reactions and conditions post vaccination are due to the vaccines in the vast majority of cases and not to anything else. It is disingenuous to claim otherwise. It's the free spike protein that is responsible for the pathogenesis and not climate change, SARS-CoV-2, the Republicans or Donald Trump.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: litterbaux

They have dumped a vast amount of the population's immune system

Vaccines use the human immune system. They don't prevent it from functioning.

, of course, there will be more pandemics. Compromising the immune system with the bit of HIV spliced in was one of the more fiendish ideas.

There is no sequence in SARS-CoV-3 that is similar to any HIV sequence.

Handing over the way they would be actioned on to the WHO gives the governments no liabilities or so they think. But things at the rate they are going will never get that far.

The WHO coordinates and advises governments and NGO's on the actions to take in their respective domains of responsibility.

As Trump demonstrated, the WHO can be ignored and defunded by any national government that chooses to do so.

What SARS-CoV-3 are you talking about??

The Alpha, Delta and Omicron strains. I have not bothered checking in BLAST if less prevalent strains had suddenly been 'engineered' to add sequences from HIV, because that would be an absurd thing for anyone to do, and is probably not possible in the real world.

If you get any of the serious adverse reactions from the mRNA products that will have a direct consequence to your immune system. One such serious adverse reactions are autoimmune disorders. So yes, the "vaccines" can result in immune dysfunction.

Overresponse by someone's immune system is the the most likely to cause adverse reactions. That would not be a weakening of immune response. Underresponse simply means that the vaccine would be as effective as a placebo.

I will ask you again:

What SARS-CoV-3 are you talking about?

Which virus has been named SARS-CoV-3 and when did this happen?

As for your assertion that vaccines are not causing immune dysfunction, that is clearly wrong as the mRNA products can cause autoimmune disorders that won't be observed otherwise.

originally posted by: chr0naut

I am aware that the mortality data is not complete for recent years. That cuts both ways, as those drawing wild doom porn conclusions are basing them on volatile, incomplete and provisional data.

I call those who take minute upswings…(snip)

Wow ok. So let’s unpack this, shall we? What do consider to be the expected relation between a claim and included data purported to support said claim?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: litterbaux

They have dumped a vast amount of the population's immune system

Vaccines use the human immune system. They don't prevent it from functioning.

, of course, there will be more pandemics. Compromising the immune system with the bit of HIV spliced in was one of the more fiendish ideas.

There is no sequence in SARS-CoV-3 that is similar to any HIV sequence.

Handing over the way they would be actioned on to the WHO gives the governments no liabilities or so they think. But things at the rate they are going will never get that far.

The WHO coordinates and advises governments and NGO's on the actions to take in their respective domains of responsibility.

As Trump demonstrated, the WHO can be ignored and defunded by any national government that chooses to do so.

What SARS-CoV-3 are you talking about??

The Alpha, Delta and Omicron strains. I have not bothered checking in BLAST if less prevalent strains had suddenly been 'engineered' to add sequences from HIV, because that would be an absurd thing for anyone to do, and is probably not possible in the real world.

If you get any of the serious adverse reactions from the mRNA products that will have a direct consequence to your immune system. One such serious adverse reactions are autoimmune disorders. So yes, the "vaccines" can result in immune dysfunction.

Overresponse by someone's immune system is the the most likely to cause adverse reactions. That would not be a weakening of immune response. Underresponse simply means that the vaccine would be as effective as a placebo.

I will ask you again:

What SARS-CoV-3 are you talking about?

Which virus has been named SARS-CoV-3 and when did this happen?

As for your assertion that vaccines are not causing immune dysfunction, that is clearly wrong as the mRNA products can cause autoimmune disorders that won't be observed otherwise.

Apologies, I just realized I made a typo. I meant SARS-CoV-2.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: chr0naut

I don't care what the study shows. All I know is that people who got vaccinated are dropping like flies with heart attacks, from the age of 15 and up. Healthy football, basketball, and baseball stars. If you feel comfortable risking that, more power to you. I'm glad I wasn't dumb enough to fall for it and none of my family or friends were.

People were dropping like flies from heart attacks prior to the vaccines. It has been the number 1 cause of death in first world countries, for decades.

Heart attack deaths in 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 - ONS

Overall, heart attack statistics have fallen during the last 20 years:

Heart Attack Deaths Drop Over Past Two Decades - American College of Cardiology 2023 report

The alleged rise in heart attacks in young people is part of a social media anti-vax campaign and the recent fluctuations in numbers are officially suspected to be related more to the effects of the pandemic, which peaked in number of active infections in January 2023.

You are mistaken for once more and you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality. Pretty much every single case of heart relating conditions post vaccination, with the possible exception of only very few, are due to the free spike protein from the mRNA products.

Here is the peer reviewed publication you seem to ignore it disregard as I have posted many times in the past.

www.ahajournals.org...

The study shows that the immunological response elicited by the mRNA vaccine was very similar in those who developed post-vaccination myocarditis and others. In other words, myocarditis could not be associated with abnormal autoantibodies, viral infections other than SARS-CoV-2, or excessive production of antibodies elicited by the mRNA vaccine.

In vaccinated patients, infection with the virus was not likely to be a cause or contributing factor for myocarditis since anti-Nucleoprotein IgG was not found in these patients.

In contrast to controls, the finding of high levels of unbound full-length spike protein in myocarditis patients may point to the mechanism by which this condition arises. Similarly, MIS-C patients had circulating SARS-CoV-2 antigens.

The spike protein appears to evade immune antibodies found at normal levels in these patients, with adequate functional and neutralization capacity. The spike may damage the cardiac pericytes or endothelium, perhaps by reducing the expression of the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), reducing nitric oxide production in the endothelium, or activating inflammation via integrins, causing the endothelium to become abnormally permeable.

The vast majority of cases of myocarditis post vaccination are due to the free spike protein i.e due to the mRNA vaccines. That is true for all other related heart issues post vaccination. This study proves in a few words that the usual suspect is most likely responsible for any problems created post vaccination.

I am not ignoring the paper, but it is about a single case, in a single patient, and there have been no similar papers or cases where such has been observed. Since this was only observed once, it may possibly even have been experimental error (although the paper looks fairly scientifically rigorous).

There are many other case studies and papers where it turned out that there was evidences of the disease in suspected adverse reactions.

No a research paper is not written about a single case and a single patient. There is no error and you don't know what you are talking about for once more.

The adverse reactions and conditions post vaccination are due to the vaccines in the vast majority of cases and not to anything else. It is disingenuous to claim otherwise. It's the free spike protein that is responsible for the pathogenesis and not climate change, SARS-CoV-2, the Republicans or Donald Trump.

I was not referring to the paper that you posted a link to, but to the paper you quoted from. They are two different papers.

It is a bit disingenuous to post a link to one paper and then quote from another unlinked (and now withdrawn) paper, implying there is a connection between them.

originally posted by: Durden

originally posted by: chr0naut

I am aware that the mortality data is not complete for recent years. That cuts both ways, as those drawing wild doom porn conclusions are basing them on volatile, incomplete and provisional data.

I call those who take minute upswings…(snip)

Wow ok. So let’s unpack this, shall we? What do consider to be the expected relation between a claim and included data purported to support said claim?

What color was their shirt when they wrote up the article?



The data is simply incomplete - for both sides of the argument. We need to have the dataset finalized before jumping to confusions.

The American College of Cardiology and the World Congress of Cardiology are at the forefront of cardiac care and they would be well aware if their caseload had suddenly exploded. They are, however, reporting that cases have dropped significantly over the last decade, and are using finalized data as a basis of that report.

originally posted by: chr0naut
Vaccines use the human immune system. They don't prevent it from functioning.

So enlighten us as to your insight here. How does vaccines generally interact with the immune system? What role does antibodies have during infection? Do you believe all vaccines are the same? By all means, use Google.