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Debunking Vaccine Myths RE VAERS

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posted on Feb, 23 2023 @ 01:07 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

Your input in this thread amounts to what exactly?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.



posted on Feb, 23 2023 @ 05:11 AM
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It looks like this thread was a disaster for those who support the official narratives and are in favour of mass vaccinations or vaccinations in general.

In their attempts to render VAERS useless, so to support there is nothing really going on in terms of harms and deaths caused by the 'vaccines', the vaccine apologists exposed themselves and their arguments by making all sort of desperate claims that have all turned out to be unsubstantiated and false.

It was surprising that almost the entire team of the vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals appeared in this thread trying to defend the indefensible.



posted on Feb, 23 2023 @ 08:49 AM
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posted on Feb, 24 2023 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Anyway... I find it impressive that the same people who are keen to dismiss VAERS created by the State/Government are more than keen not to dismiss the Government propaganda in relation to the vaccines and viruses.

I think this post proves the point of the thread.

Flip-flop when it suites your argument.

By the way, I'm not actually responding to you, Asmodeus3, you just happen to be the one that said this. I will not reply to anything else you have to say.


We need to bring Skippy back.

The folks taking this debate personally need to take a step back and objectively see the facts. Instead, we get more misinformation and repetitive flip-flopping coupled with an absolute refusal to provide:

1) Sources that were asked for repeatedly
2) Figures that were asked for repeatedly
3) Actual claims/assertions other than nebulous warnings and soothsaying

There have been doomsayers for as long as the Earth has spun. However, Substack and other for-profit driven motivators didn't exist then. The anti-vax narrative - one debunked talking point after the other - is a giant house of cards.



posted on Feb, 24 2023 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: Asmodeus3
It looks like this thread was a disaster for those who support the official narratives and are in favour of mass vaccinations or vaccinations in general.

In their attempts to render VAERS useless, so to support there is nothing really going on in terms of harms and deaths caused by the 'vaccines', the vaccine apologists exposed themselves and their arguments by making all sort of desperate claims that have all turned out to be unsubstantiated and false.

It was surprising that almost the entire team of the vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals appeared in this thread trying to defend the indefensible.


VAERS data doesn't show what you think it does. It highlights how rare serious side effects of any kind are (let alone fatalities)

That's a big +1 in the pro-vaccine corner.



posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 02:27 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
It looks like this thread was a disaster for those who support the official narratives and are in favour of mass vaccinations or vaccinations in general.

In their attempts to render VAERS useless, so to support there is nothing really going on in terms of harms and deaths caused by the 'vaccines', the vaccine apologists exposed themselves and their arguments by making all sort of desperate claims that have all turned out to be unsubstantiated and false.

It was surprising that almost the entire team of the vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals appeared in this thread trying to defend the indefensible.


VAERS data doesn't show what you think it does. It highlights how rare serious side effects of any kind are (let alone fatalities)

That's a big +1 in the pro-vaccine corner.


This thread was a disaster for those who support the official narratives and are in favour of mass vaccinations or vaccinations in general.

In their attempts to render VAERS useless, so to support there is nothing really going on in terms of harms and deaths caused by the 'vaccines', the vaccine apologists exposed themselves and their arguments by making all sort of desperate claims that have all turned out to be unsubstantiated and false.

It was surprising that almost the entire team of the vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals appeared in this thread trying to defend the indefensible. And made things even worse with each appearance.



posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 02:29 AM
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Then we need to know the exact number of vaccines given in the years before 2020, so we can reach a percentage.

Its very ironic how VAERS can be used as a staple for vaccine safety up till 2020, after which VAERS suddenly becomes anti-vax BS? 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
edit on 25/2/23 by flice because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 02:30 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
It looks like this thread was a disaster for those who support the official narratives and are in favour of mass vaccinations or vaccinations in general.

In their attempts to render VAERS useless, so to support there is nothing really going on in terms of harms and deaths caused by the 'vaccines', the vaccine apologists exposed themselves and their arguments by making all sort of desperate claims that have all turned out to be unsubstantiated and false.

It was surprising that almost the entire team of the vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals appeared in this thread trying to defend the indefensible.


VAERS data doesn't show what you think it does. It highlights how rare serious side effects of any kind are (let alone fatalities)

That's a big +1 in the pro-vaccine corner.


If you think that this thread is a big +1 in the pro vaccine corner then you live in a fantasy I am afraid.

None of the arguments, numbers, and statistics were correct. All were false showing lack of understanding of the most basics.

The highlight was taking the number of reported cases of adverse reactions in Florida and diving it by the total number of shots given worldwide... Great maths!
edit on 25-2-2023 by Asmodeus3 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 02:33 AM
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originally posted by: flice
a reply to: JBurns

Then we need to know the exact number of vaccines given in the years before 2020, so we can reach a percentage.



What he did is to use the the number of adverse reactions reported only in Florida and divided this summer by the total numbers number of shots worldwide...

Absolute confusion!

He came to the conclusion that the rate of adverse reactions is 1 every 100,000+ vaccinees...

In reality the rate of serious adverse reactions is at least 1 in 800 vaccinees.



posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Anyway... I find it impressive that the same people who are keen to dismiss VAERS created by the State/Government are more than keen not to dismiss the Government propaganda in relation to the vaccines and viruses.

I think this post proves the point of the thread.

Flip-flop when it suites your argument.

By the way, I'm not actually responding to you, Asmodeus3, you just happen to be the one that said this. I will not reply to anything else you have to say.


We need to bring Skippy back.

The folks taking this debate personally need to take a step back and objectively see the facts. Instead, we get more misinformation and repetitive flip-flopping coupled with an absolute refusal to provide:

1) Sources that were asked for repeatedly
2) Figures that were asked for repeatedly
3) Actual claims/assertions other than nebulous warnings and soothsaying

There have been doomsayers for as long as the Earth has spun. However, Substack and other for-profit driven motivators didn't exist then. The anti-vax narrative - one debunked talking point after the other - is a giant house of cards.


Your arguments in this thread have been refuted. There is no need to continue when defeat has occured. You are making things much worse for the vaccine apologists.

You said others didn't provide evidence. That's as true as your calculations in this thread...



posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 06:12 AM
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originally posted by: flice
a reply to: JBurns

Then we need to know the exact number of vaccines given in the years before 2020, so we can reach a percentage.

Its very ironic how VAERS can be used as a staple for vaccine safety up till 2020, after which VAERS suddenly becomes anti-vax BS? 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️


No one claims that.

It's simply you don't understand what VAERS data is.

It unequivocally states.



It is not possible to use VAERS data to calculate how often an adverse event occurs in a population.



posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 06:32 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Then what is the point of VAERS.......





The primary objectives of VAERS are to:

Detect new, unusual, or rare vaccine adverse events;
Monitor increases in known adverse events;
Identify potential patient risk factors for particular types of adverse events;
Assess the safety of newly licensed vaccines;
Determine and address possible reporting clusters (e.g., suspected localized [temporally or geographically] or product-/batch-/lot-specific adverse event reporting);
Recognize persistent safe-use problems and administration errors;
Provide a national safety monitoring system that extends to the entire general population for response to public health emergencies, such as a large-scale pandemic influenza vaccination program.


BUT, that doesn't change the fact that the number of reports went up, after Covid-19 vaccines were introduced.
In all honesty, it doesn't matter what the reports say individually, but that there were that many to begin with compared to previous years.

What you use those numbers for is that unlike previous vaccines in previous years, there was an extreme increase in the need for reporting adverse events of some kind AFTER Covid vaccines were introduced.

That should also ring some alarm bells.
edit on 25/2/23 by flice because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 06:36 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: flice
a reply to: JBurns

Then we need to know the exact number of vaccines given in the years before 2020, so we can reach a percentage.

Its very ironic how VAERS can be used as a staple for vaccine safety up till 2020, after which VAERS suddenly becomes anti-vax BS? 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️


No one claims that.

It's simply you don't understand what VAERS data is.

It unequivocally states.



It is not possible to use VAERS data to calculate how often an adverse event occurs in a population.


It's better if you get on with your Sabbatical as the thread has been a disaster for all those vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals who claim to understand the data when they can't even say the difference between a million and a billion, arguing there have been 13 million doses worldwide.

It becomes even more absurd when they take the number of reported cases in Florida and then divide by the total number of shots worldwide to find the rate of adverse reactions... Concluding is extremely low...



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posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: flice

Amazingly they tell you that as well.




VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of possible health problems—also called “adverse events”—after vaccination. As an early warning system, VAERS cannot prove that a vaccine caused a problem. Specifically, a report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event. But VAERS can give CDC and FDA important information. If it looks as though a vaccine might be causing a problem, FDA and CDC will investigate further and take action if need


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posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 06:40 AM
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posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: flice
a reply to: ScepticScot

But we know who you are now, and your role. Thank you.


Really? Who am I?



posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: flice
a reply to: ScepticScot

But we know who you are now, and your role. Thank you.


Yes indeed, vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals who are not interested in the thread and don't even dare commenting on the OP as his arguments were shown to be false. Every single estimation, number, and analysis made, were all false.


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