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originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Anyway... I find it impressive that the same people who are keen to dismiss VAERS created by the State/Government are more than keen not to dismiss the Government propaganda in relation to the vaccines and viruses.
I think this post proves the point of the thread.
Flip-flop when it suites your argument.
By the way, I'm not actually responding to you, Asmodeus3, you just happen to be the one that said this. I will not reply to anything else you have to say.
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
It looks like this thread was a disaster for those who support the official narratives and are in favour of mass vaccinations or vaccinations in general.
In their attempts to render VAERS useless, so to support there is nothing really going on in terms of harms and deaths caused by the 'vaccines', the vaccine apologists exposed themselves and their arguments by making all sort of desperate claims that have all turned out to be unsubstantiated and false.
It was surprising that almost the entire team of the vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals appeared in this thread trying to defend the indefensible.
originally posted by: JBurns
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
It looks like this thread was a disaster for those who support the official narratives and are in favour of mass vaccinations or vaccinations in general.
In their attempts to render VAERS useless, so to support there is nothing really going on in terms of harms and deaths caused by the 'vaccines', the vaccine apologists exposed themselves and their arguments by making all sort of desperate claims that have all turned out to be unsubstantiated and false.
It was surprising that almost the entire team of the vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals appeared in this thread trying to defend the indefensible.
VAERS data doesn't show what you think it does. It highlights how rare serious side effects of any kind are (let alone fatalities)
That's a big +1 in the pro-vaccine corner.
originally posted by: JBurns
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
It looks like this thread was a disaster for those who support the official narratives and are in favour of mass vaccinations or vaccinations in general.
In their attempts to render VAERS useless, so to support there is nothing really going on in terms of harms and deaths caused by the 'vaccines', the vaccine apologists exposed themselves and their arguments by making all sort of desperate claims that have all turned out to be unsubstantiated and false.
It was surprising that almost the entire team of the vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals appeared in this thread trying to defend the indefensible.
VAERS data doesn't show what you think it does. It highlights how rare serious side effects of any kind are (let alone fatalities)
That's a big +1 in the pro-vaccine corner.
originally posted by: flice
a reply to: JBurns
Then we need to know the exact number of vaccines given in the years before 2020, so we can reach a percentage.
originally posted by: JBurns
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Anyway... I find it impressive that the same people who are keen to dismiss VAERS created by the State/Government are more than keen not to dismiss the Government propaganda in relation to the vaccines and viruses.
I think this post proves the point of the thread.
Flip-flop when it suites your argument.
By the way, I'm not actually responding to you, Asmodeus3, you just happen to be the one that said this. I will not reply to anything else you have to say.
We need to bring Skippy back.
The folks taking this debate personally need to take a step back and objectively see the facts. Instead, we get more misinformation and repetitive flip-flopping coupled with an absolute refusal to provide:
1) Sources that were asked for repeatedly
2) Figures that were asked for repeatedly
3) Actual claims/assertions other than nebulous warnings and soothsaying
There have been doomsayers for as long as the Earth has spun. However, Substack and other for-profit driven motivators didn't exist then. The anti-vax narrative - one debunked talking point after the other - is a giant house of cards.
originally posted by: flice
a reply to: JBurns
Then we need to know the exact number of vaccines given in the years before 2020, so we can reach a percentage.
Its very ironic how VAERS can be used as a staple for vaccine safety up till 2020, after which VAERS suddenly becomes anti-vax BS? 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
It is not possible to use VAERS data to calculate how often an adverse event occurs in a population.
The primary objectives of VAERS are to:
Detect new, unusual, or rare vaccine adverse events;
Monitor increases in known adverse events;
Identify potential patient risk factors for particular types of adverse events;
Assess the safety of newly licensed vaccines;
Determine and address possible reporting clusters (e.g., suspected localized [temporally or geographically] or product-/batch-/lot-specific adverse event reporting);
Recognize persistent safe-use problems and administration errors;
Provide a national safety monitoring system that extends to the entire general population for response to public health emergencies, such as a large-scale pandemic influenza vaccination program.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: flice
a reply to: JBurns
Then we need to know the exact number of vaccines given in the years before 2020, so we can reach a percentage.
Its very ironic how VAERS can be used as a staple for vaccine safety up till 2020, after which VAERS suddenly becomes anti-vax BS? 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
No one claims that.
It's simply you don't understand what VAERS data is.
It unequivocally states.
It is not possible to use VAERS data to calculate how often an adverse event occurs in a population.
VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of possible health problems—also called “adverse events”—after vaccination. As an early warning system, VAERS cannot prove that a vaccine caused a problem. Specifically, a report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event. But VAERS can give CDC and FDA important information. If it looks as though a vaccine might be causing a problem, FDA and CDC will investigate further and take action if need
originally posted by: flice
a reply to: ScepticScot
But we know who you are now, and your role. Thank you.
originally posted by: flice
a reply to: ScepticScot
But we know who you are now, and your role. Thank you.