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Debunking Vaccine Myths RE VAERS

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posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: jidnum

We are not arrogant we are confident in the truth and facts, a big difference.


Is not arrogance only but complete ignorance of even the most basic facts such as as the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2.
You seem to be struggling with this from the beginning.

Are you still claiming that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

Do you still claim that Covid-19 is a virus?

Do you now claim that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus?


Prove your claim above.


What claim??

It is your claim that SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 are both..virus



Now you're playing dumb...wait playing?


The claim Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus, ...is yours and not mine.

It's all yours to prove.


If you are refuting any of my claims you need to provide evidence-based science first as an opposing stance, then we can go from there.



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: quintessentone

You said



The genome researchers said Covid-19 is FROM SARS-CoV-2 and merged with another pathogen to become a Chimera, so Covid-19 as a Chimera did indeed come from SARS-CoV-2, what is so difficult to understand about that.



Still I don't have the information that I have asked.

Who said what and in which research papers you are referring to?

You have claimed that Covid-19 is a virus. Now that is a chimeric virus. I need you to back up these claims. Otherwise you can say I don't have any evidence.



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

You said



The genome researchers said Covid-19 is FROM SARS-CoV-2 and merged with another pathogen to become a Chimera, so Covid-19 as a Chimera did indeed come from SARS-CoV-2, what is so difficult to understand about that.



Still I don't have the information that I have asked.

Who said what and in which research papers you are referring to?

You have claimed that Covid-19 is a virus. Now that is a chimeric virus. I need you to back up these claims. Otherwise you can say I don't have any evidence.



I need you to provide me with evidence-based science to refute those claims.



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: jidnum

We are not arrogant we are confident in the truth and facts, a big difference.


Is not arrogance only but complete ignorance of even the most basic facts such as as the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2.
You seem to be struggling with this from the beginning.

Are you still claiming that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

Do you still claim that Covid-19 is a virus?

Do you now claim that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus?


Prove your claim above.


What claim??

It is your claim that SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 are both..virus



Now you're playing dumb...wait playing?


The claim Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus, ...is yours and not mine.

It's all yours to prove.


If you are refuting any of my claims you need to provide evidence-based science first as an opposing stance, then we can go from there.

No you are mistaken.

You made the claim that Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

I am asking you to show evidence that Covid-19 is a virus.

Furthermore evidence that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus.
edit on 21-2-2023 by Asmodeus3 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: jidnum

We are not arrogant we are confident in the truth and facts, a big difference.


Is not arrogance only but complete ignorance of even the most basic facts such as as the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2.
You seem to be struggling with this from the beginning.

Are you still claiming that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

Do you still claim that Covid-19 is a virus?

Do you now claim that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus?


Prove your claim above.


What claim??

It is your claim that SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 are both..virus



Now you're playing dumb...wait playing?


The claim Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus, ...is yours and not mine.

It's all yours to prove.


If you are refuting any of my claims you need to provide evidence-based science first as an opposing stance, then we can go from there.

No you are mistaken.

To made the claim tha Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

I am asking you to show evidence that Covid-19 is a virus.

Furthermore evidence that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus.


No, by your refuting that claim I need evidence that they are not what has been claimed by scientists. You are doubting these scientists' claims, now show all of us why.



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

You said



The genome researchers said Covid-19 is FROM SARS-CoV-2 and merged with another pathogen to become a Chimera, so Covid-19 as a Chimera did indeed come from SARS-CoV-2, what is so difficult to understand about that.



Still I don't have the information that I have asked.

Who said what and in which research papers you are referring to?

You have claimed that Covid-19 is a virus. Now that is a chimeric virus. I need you to back up these claims. Otherwise you can say I don't have any evidence.



I need you to provide me with evidence-based science to refute those claims.


No I don't need to provide anything. You have made claims without any sources and I am asking you to support your claims.

You can say I don't have any evidence and I was wrong.



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

You said



The genome researchers said Covid-19 is FROM SARS-CoV-2 and merged with another pathogen to become a Chimera, so Covid-19 as a Chimera did indeed come from SARS-CoV-2, what is so difficult to understand about that.



Still I don't have the information that I have asked.

Who said what and in which research papers you are referring to?

You have claimed that Covid-19 is a virus. Now that is a chimeric virus. I need you to back up these claims. Otherwise you can say I don't have any evidence.



I need you to provide me with evidence-based science to refute those claims.


No I don't need to provide anything. You have made claims without any sources and I am asking you to support your claims.

You can say I don't have any evidence and I was wrong.


Yes you need to show all of us why or what science you have read that is opposite to the science we have read for all your claims, but you won't so here we are at a standstill. Is it because any and all sources you have are only right-wing?



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: jidnum

We are not arrogant we are confident in the truth and facts, a big difference.


Is not arrogance only but complete ignorance of even the most basic facts such as as the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2.
You seem to be struggling with this from the beginning.

Are you still claiming that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

Do you still claim that Covid-19 is a virus?

Do you now claim that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus?


Prove your claim above.


What claim??

It is your claim that SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 are both..virus



Now you're playing dumb...wait playing?


The claim Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus, ...is yours and not mine.

It's all yours to prove.


If you are refuting any of my claims you need to provide evidence-based science first as an opposing stance, then we can go from there.

No you are mistaken.

To made the claim tha Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

I am asking you to show evidence that Covid-19 is a virus.

Furthermore evidence that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus.


No, by your refuting that claim I need evidence that they are not what has been claimed by scientists. You are doubting these scientists' claims, now show all of us why.


Who am I doubting and where are the research papers which show Covid-19 is a virus that came out of SARS-CoV-2?

Now your arguments has gone further i.e SARS-CoV-2 and another virus have created Covid-19 virus.

Your arguments have become so absurd at this point in time.
edit on 21-2-2023 by Asmodeus3 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: quintessentone

You said


Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus



The genome researchers said Covid-19 is FROM SARS-CoV-2 and merged with another pathogen to become a Chimera, so Covid-19 as a Chimera did indeed come from SARS-CoV-2, what is so difficult to understand about that.


These are your claims and I have asked you several times to provide evidence and some links. You told me to do my own research...

Now you are trying to shift the burden of proof...



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: jidnum

We are not arrogant we are confident in the truth and facts, a big difference.


Is not arrogance only but complete ignorance of even the most basic facts such as as the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2.
You seem to be struggling with this from the beginning.

Are you still claiming that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

Do you still claim that Covid-19 is a virus?

Do you now claim that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus?


Prove your claim above.


What claim??

It is your claim that SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 are both..virus



Now you're playing dumb...wait playing?


The claim Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus, ...is yours and not mine.

It's all yours to prove.


If you are refuting any of my claims you need to provide evidence-based science first as an opposing stance, then we can go from there.

No you are mistaken.

To made the claim tha Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

I am asking you to show evidence that Covid-19 is a virus.

Furthermore evidence that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus.


No, by your refuting that claim I need evidence that they are not what has been claimed by scientists. You are doubting these scientists' claims, now show all of us why.


Who am I doubting and where are the research papers which show Covid-19 is a virus that came out of SARS-CoV-2?

Now your arguments has gone further i.e SARS-CoV-2 and another virus have created Covid-19 virus.

It's becoming pretty laughable at this point in time.


I've already sourced all the information in your previous threads, now we want you to show evidence why Covid-19 is not from SARS-C0V-2 and you need to do your own research as to what geneticists are finding through studying the DNA of Covid-19 and how it came to be, because you need a lesson in independent research. Otherwise we cannot go further with this debate as you are providing only opinion or right-wing opinion and no real hard scientific evidence that is accepted among the scientific community as being valid.



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: jidnum

We are not arrogant we are confident in the truth and facts, a big difference.


you just ignored what i said again, even though I put it in BOLD lol.



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: jidnum

We are not arrogant we are confident in the truth and facts, a big difference.


Is not arrogance only but complete ignorance of even the most basic facts such as as the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2.
You seem to be struggling with this from the beginning.

Are you still claiming that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

Do you still claim that Covid-19 is a virus?

Do you now claim that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus?


Prove your claim above.


What claim??

It is your claim that SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 are both..virus



Now you're playing dumb...wait playing?


The claim Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus, ...is yours and not mine.

It's all yours to prove.


If you are refuting any of my claims you need to provide evidence-based science first as an opposing stance, then we can go from there.

No you are mistaken.

To made the claim tha Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

I am asking you to show evidence that Covid-19 is a virus.

Furthermore evidence that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus.


No, by your refuting that claim I need evidence that they are not what has been claimed by scientists. You are doubting these scientists' claims, now show all of us why.


Who am I doubting and where are the research papers which show Covid-19 is a virus that came out of SARS-CoV-2?

Now your arguments has gone further i.e SARS-CoV-2 and another virus have created Covid-19 virus.

It's becoming pretty laughable at this point in time.


I've already sourced all the information in your previous threads, now we want you to show evidence why Covid-19 is not from SARS-C0V-2 and you need to do your own research as to what geneticists are finding through studying the DNA of Covid-19 and how it came to be, because you need a lesson in independent research. Otherwise we cannot go further with this debate as you are providing only opinion or right-wing opinion and no real hard scientific evidence that is accepted among the scientific community as being valid.


I see you are unable to provide any links and any explanations on


Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus





The genome researchers said Covid-19 is FROM SARS-CoV-2 and merged with another pathogen to become a Chimera, so Covid-19 as a Chimera did indeed come from SARS-CoV-2, what is so difficult to understand about that.



These are your claims and I have asked you several times to provide evidence and some links. You told me to do my own research...

Now you are trying to shift the burden of proof...

I don't think I have ever claimed that Covid-19 is not a result of SARS-CoV-2 infection. You have confused your arguments. Or you are making up some out of desperation.

edit on 21-2-2023 by Asmodeus3 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

Still no answer as it seems.
I understand you will find it very difficult to argue that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

Or that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus...



Prove me wrong with evidence from non-right-wing sources.


I don't have to prove you wrong.
You made the claims and the burden of proof is on you.


No, the burden of proof is on you as you are refuting my claims without any evidence-based science and I don't take your opinion as any type of proof or truth.




I don't even have to refute your claims.
I don't have to make any attempt as the matter of fact.

All I want to know is where did you get the following


Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus



The genome researchers said Covid-19 is FROM SARS-CoV-2 and merged with another pathogen to become a Chimera, so Covid-19 as a Chimera did indeed come from SARS-CoV-2, what is so difficult to understand about that.

edit on 21-2-2023 by Asmodeus3 because: (no reason given)


(post by quintessentone removed for a manners violation)

posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: jidnum

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: jidnum

We are not arrogant we are confident in the truth and facts, a big difference.


you just ignored what i said again, even though I put it in BOLD lol.



The prevalence of this disease is changing and VAERS data is not verifiable, so the numbers will change as the virus surges or does not surge, also other factors need to be included as I have posted previously, which nobody is taking into account.



We should be using IHME data numbers not VAERS, because there are less limitations. Even still, the numbers will change due to many varying factors.

More on statistical confusion. Note that there is now a True ARR and a True RRR due to prevalence and changing factors.

www.reuters.com...

Another reporting data collection. See how and why the numbers change, e.g. Florida.



April 14: Changes in US data following the new CDC guidelines on "Case" and "Death" definition

New York City, on April 16, reported a decrease of 145 deaths from what it had previously reported on April 15, specifically for Brooklyn and Manhattann [source] [source]
Michigan MDHHS staff has put in place a weekly review death certificate data maintained in Vital Records reporting systems. As a part of this process, records that identify COVID-19 infection as a contributing factor to death are compared against all laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Michigan Disease Surveillance System (MDSS). If a death certificate is matched to a confirmed COVID-19 case and that record in the MDSS does not indicate a death, the MDSS record is updated to indicate the death and the appropriate local health department is notified. These matched deaths are then included with mortality information posted to the Michigan Coronavirus website. As a result of this week’s assessment, April 16 data includes 65 additional deaths that have been identified through this methodology. [source]
Florida: For most part of the day on April 11, there was a mistake on the Florida Health Department Official website, indicating 533 deaths [screenshot] [Florida Health Website]. Later during the day, it was changed to 458 on the Florida Health Department Dashboard before being finally changed to 446 (-12).
Puerto Rico: retracted 1 death previously reported on April 9 [source]
Washington State did not report for over 48 hours due to technical problems at the end of March ("We are experiencing technical difficulties with our COVID-19 data repository") [source] [source] King County Public Health data was also affected, according to their website [source] Worldometer inititally updated 03/31 with partial data from the counties that had reported and adjusted Washington State numbers for 03/31 when the reporting was complete
West Virginia on March 29 retracted its report of 1 death in the state [source]


www.worldometers.info...
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posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 01:59 PM
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You do know that VAERS represents only 1 to 10% of all actual cases?



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: thebtheb
You do know that VAERS represents only 1 to 10% of all actual cases?


Based on the Harvard pilgrim study its 1%. That was funded by the CDC, they produced a report for them and then the CDC burried it.


The CDC is a vaccine company that makes 5 billion a year from selling vaccines. They have zero incentive to not recommend a vaccine that's going to make them big profits.



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

Still no answer as it seems.
I understand you will find it very difficult to argue that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

Or that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus...



Prove me wrong with evidence from non-right-wing sources.


It doesn't require any right wing sources.

It sounds like you're confusing a disease condition with the pathogens that cause it.

COVID-19 is the terminology that describes the disease condition caused by the virus. Having COVID is the same type of descriptor as having the flu, it's a disease caused by that genetic line of pathogens. Whether the variants are chimeric is irrelevant to the nomenclature of the disease condition. Having COVID-19 means meeting the clinical definition of the disease.

While professionals colloquially use it interchangeably with the name of the viral pathogens that cause it, there is a distinction they recognize when doing so.

These misunderstandings about basic terminology seem to be widespread among the people quick to imply my decade of professional experience was somehow all a QAnon right-wing indoctrination process.



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

Still no answer as it seems.
I understand you will find it very difficult to argue that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus.

Or that Covid-19 is a chimeric virus...



Prove me wrong with evidence from non-right-wing sources.


It doesn't require any right wing sources.

It sounds like you're confusing a disease condition with the pathogens that cause it.

COVID-19 is the terminology that describes the disease condition caused by the virus. Having COVID is the same type of descriptor as having the flu, it's a disease caused by that genetic line of pathogens. Whether the variants are chimeric is irrelevant to the nomenclature of the disease condition. Having COVID-19 means meeting the clinical definition of the disease.

While professionals colloquially use it interchangeably with the name of the viral pathogens that cause it, there is a distinction they recognize when doing so.

These misunderstandings about basic terminology seem to be widespread among the people quick to imply my decade of professional experience was somehow all a QAnon right-wing indoctrination process.


I don't need any lectures on what Covid-19 is as I've researched it extensively. What my point was, that you obviously missed, was that those people that refute evidenced-based independent peer reviewed science use only right-wing/conservative agenda-driven sources and we are all using data/numbers that are not TRUE/VERIFIABLE. That's all I was pointing out.



posted on Feb, 21 2023 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: thebtheb
You do know that VAERS represents only 1 to 10% of all actual cases?


Based on the Harvard pilgrim study its 1%. That was funded by the CDC, they produced a report for them and then the CDC burried it.


The CDC is a vaccine company that makes 5 billion a year from selling vaccines. They have zero incentive to not recommend a vaccine that's going to make them big profits.


Yes, in fact Harvard tried to do something about it for a time. They were annoyed that the CDC got them to do a study and then totally ignored the results. But there was not much that Harvard could do.

Also this whole "VAERS is not proof that these ARE injuries," etc. is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. All it really means is that the CDC 100% ignores VAERS, instead of actually investigating the entries.



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