NATO: Time is of the essence to help Ukraine tip the balance

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: devilhunter69
Your independence and sovereignty will belong to the Euporean Union and its ideologies.

Independence seceded to ruZZIa... or Independence seceded to the EU...

Im fairly certain which one 99% of anyone asked that question would give as an answer... no one would ever willingly want to join up to ruZZia.

You also definitely have the ruZZian ideological stance of quantity over quality... ruZZIa still hasn't destroyed a single one of those handful of HIMAR yet (and im not talking about those wooden decoys they dont count), yet how many soldiers and vehicals have those HIMARs destroyed?

When a 300$ value drone can kill 5+ enemy and take out a tank 10,000x more expensive than itself, whats quantity got to do with anything?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: BlackArrow

China already 'has' Hong Kong.

I'm sorry, I don't really follow you, what point were you trying to make?

You seem to be implying it's all a pre-planned plot to enable Joe Biden to be re-elected.
Then you infer it was all instigated before he was elected and then that it is all 'theatrics'.
To what purpose?
What end?

And then you have a rant about all Democrats being Communists.

Ummm...methinks he meant to spell Hong Kong...Taiwan...

Aaaannd...all democrats...are...communists...

A veritable communal...herd...



YouSir

a reply to: YouSir

Ummm...methinks he meant to spell Hong Kong...Taiwan...

I thought that might be the case.
If he'd only wrote it once then I wouldn't have mentioned it....but twice?

Aaaannd...all democrats...are...communists...

Nothing like labelling and stereotyping literally millions of people and pigeon holing them all together.
I suspect most of those people would be completely ignorant of Marxist-Leninist ideology and would be horrified at the thought of being stigmatised with such a label - I think most people on here are just as ignorant/unaware.

A veritable communal...herd...

Hmmm.....🙄

a reply to: YouSir

I'd be interested to know how you define Communism?

a reply to: YouSir

From your own source:

"The MoD also suggested that judging Britain’s readiness by the current conflict’s standards was disingenuous.

“The war in Ukraine is an example of Soviet doctrine which uses vast quantities of artillery. We do not, nor ever have, used artillery in such methods, so to try and draw such conclusions is misleading,” they claimed."

So, according to your own source, your claims are disingenuos and misleading.

Our military does not use WW2 style outdated methods and tactics, whereas Russia still does.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: YouSir

From your own source:

"The MoD also suggested that judging Britain’s readiness by the current conflict’s standards was disingenuous.

“The war in Ukraine is an example of Soviet doctrine which uses vast quantities of artillery. We do not, nor ever have, used artillery in such methods, so to try and draw such conclusions is misleading,” they claimed."

So, according to your own source, your claims are disingenuos and misleading.

Our military does not use WW2 style outdated methods and tactics, whereas Russia still does.

Ummm...so...what you're saying is that instead of that one day as stated in the article...ya'll could stretch it to two...

Kudo's...

And no...I used the wording in the articles...so...the disingenuous and misleading claims are purely your own...

General Sir Richard Barrons, who formerly served as the Joint Forces chief, claimed that spending cuts have depleted the British military to such an extent that, in a hot war with Russia, the UK would run out of ammunition and artillery shells within just one day

(bold font added so that those with sight issues might see the obvious)


Thank you for playing...





YouSir

a reply to: YouSir

I quoted your source saying such claims are disingenuos and misleading.

What claims of mine might be disingenuos and misleading, and why?

Here is the good General saying that Putin is running out of trained soldiers. NATO has plenty.

www.facebook.com...

originally posted by: vNex92
Russia has resources which the west and NATO does not.

And what would that be? I am really interested to learn what Russian has - and can field - which NATO does not have in superior numbers and quality?

Oh, apart from nerve and radioactive agents to kill people, or queues of canon fodder.

a reply to: YouSir

"(Bold font added so that those with sight issues might see the obvious)"

Why do you have to be snarky and insulting, like, all the time?

It's not a nice look.

Still would be interested to know your definition of Communism.

Have you Googled it yet?

originally posted by: vNex92
According to those that NATO is not part of the war/conflict in Ukraine.

Or that Ukraine is winning when clearly Ukraine isn't winning.


Considering you have now NATO officially admitting that it is time to help Ukraine tip the balance in the Ukrainian war it shows that they had realized six month afterwards.

That Ukraine isn't winning.

NATO has already admitted that they arent able to keep up with the production of ammunition for Ukraine. The other issues that some NATO countries have unfortunately.

Is that two out of the NATO nations have recruitment issues.
NATO: ‘Time is of the essence’ to help Ukraine tip the balance

The facts as I have been given them by reliable sources (random people on the internet).

History started on 24th Feb 2022.

Putin got out of bed on that day and decided he would like to invade somewhere because he is mad. Ukraine was closest so why not? Next step, all of Europe (lol).

The west led by the US came to the rescue with only the best motives, simply trying to protect freedom and democracy (of which Ukraine is a paragon) because that's just the type of guys they are. Heart-warming isn't it?

Russia ran out of equipment and ammo and food around April '22. Their troops then deserted and ran home to momma. The remaining troops/conscripts, no doubt forced off the street at gunpoint, now have no winter clothing because Russians don't know how to fight in frozen conditions (as the Nazis found out back in the 40's and of course Napoleon before that).

As a result Ukraine has been pulverising them by constantly losing ground, troops and equipment and have been on the verge of winning "any day now" ever since...

The Nordstream pipelines were blown by Russia (because that makes so much sense) or must have blown themselves up. The fact that the US has been trying to stop Russian/Soviet pipelines since the era of B grade ham turned leader of the free world (lol) Reagan, it has been a neocon wish for decades, they promised to "end" Nordstream on more than one occasion recently, gloated at what a wonderful opportunity (to sell Europe gas at 4-6 times the price) and satisfaction that it was now just "a pile of metal at the bottom of the sea", and also had ships in the exact area for BALTOPS is purely coincidence.

Russia is now deserted as everyone who used to live there has left in protest.

Russia has no seasoned intelligent dignitaries that are going around the world forging partnerships. Unlike the US whose geriatric dementia patient was recently snubbed by the Saudis, not to mention the semi retired old booze scrubber from congress gadding around the place to stir China up with her shpeech impediment and general incoherence (good at the stock market though).

Studying world politics in the decades leading to this event from a historical perspective, such as delivered speeches, policies and actions of those involved is only "Putin propaganda" because of the first point (that history began on 24th Feb last year).

Russia is now bankrupt as demonstrated by generally lowering inflation, the Rubel and forecast growth in GDP by the IMF. As Europe will undoubtedly understand, the sanctions are working!

Russia is outcast, hasn't a friend in the world (if you overlook places like China, India and that 85% of the world that isn't "the west" in general).

The Russian people are ready to revolt against Putin. Unlike the leader of the free world who is wowing his constituents (41% of them at least).

Russian politics is in shambles and Putin is barely holding on. Unlike the UK which recently had 3 new leaders in as many months, Olef and Annalena (no talkies lately?) or the US which is now making up ufo stories to distract from the worst act of international terrorism by any country against an "ally". Nothing embarrassing in that.

Putin doesn't want peace, never has.

This war is just. Anyway, we probably have god or the queen of the fairies on our side or something (worked for dubbya). It has nothing to do with the wealthy and powerful trying to get more wealth and power by using ordinary people to slaughter each other. No. This one is different.

a reply to: vNex92

According to those that NATO is not part of the war/conflict in Ukraine.

Or that Ukraine is winning when clearly Ukraine isn't winning.

Well Putin's "Special Military Operation" that was supposed to have achieved its objectives in about 72 hours and/or lasted a few weeks, is still ongoing, so there is that.

Ukraine might not be winning per say, but they certainly are not losing or seem any more willing to capitulate to the Russian invasion a year down the line.

What they US government can do is print 100 trillion dollars and hire 1 million American unemployed men to go fight in Donbas.

originally posted by: Quintilian
History started on 24th Feb 2022.

Putin got out of bed on that day and decided he would like to invade somewhere because he is mad. Ukraine was closest so why not? Next step, all of Europe (lol).

I stopped reading here. You're forgetting or ignoring that Putin already had boots on the ground in 2014.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: YouSir

Blimey.

I have no idea what you are on about.

I seem to recall that in another incarnation you used to make some sense?

That was pretty funny tbh......and then you ghosted

Do you support the expansion of NATO to the border of Russia or do you think that Ukraine should have been left as it was agreed as a buffer between nato and Russia.

a reply to: purplemer

I think it is up to individual countries to decide for themselves if they want to join.

Putin has just pushed them in that direction.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Our military does not use WW2 style outdated methods and tactics, whereas Russia still does.

Russia has choosen too. There is a difference to the discerning mind...

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There is you fighting for the freedom of the most corrupt nation of the western hemisphere.. Go you!

Which bit do you support the most..

THe human trafficking..?

THe money laundering..?

The genocide in Donbass

The Nazi insigna..?

The deepstate (soros) backed government..?

The removal of the oppostion..?

The closing down of TV opposting news..?

The illegal biolabs now being investiagated by several countries..?

The strange ties to the Biden admin - he has visisted the country many many time.. Wonder if he has anything to hide..?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: purplemer

I think it is up to individual countries to decide for themselves if they want to join.

Putin has just pushed them in that direction.

The people of Donbass identify as more Russian.. What about them.. You think it prudent just to keep genociding them like Zelensky did and is.. Should we send wepons to make it easier to kill those people to make your statement more correct?

a reply to: purplemer

None of the above?

Mostly ordinary Ukrainians.

a reply to: andy06shake

Well Putin's "Special Military Operation" that was supposed to have achieved its objectives in about 72 hours and/or lasted a few weeks, is still ongoing, so there is that

Yes they said they where collecting evidence.. Do you know what the evidence is or what objectives they where?/

a reply to: purplemer

Ah, the old "Do you still beat your wife? Answer yes or no"
question?