Who is Satan to you?

a reply to: Faeded

Yeah... maybe you two can get a room so you can stop fantasizing about your homo-erotic masochism on the internet...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: ltrz2025

unlock knowledge that it's already in you.

Yes that would jive well with antedeluvian advanced societies. You'd try and explain the important concept on things present in nature...
But it might as well be that the symbolism about reality is embedded all around and in us already since forever, we're just too dense to see now?
Like behemoth, leviathan, and ziz. I think they represent the 3 realms from which animated life emerges. Water, air, earth. I also think humans fall into one of those 3 categories. These concepts define how you best approach spirituality, depending on what you are.

Right. And, as you say, there is also the possibility that this is somehow recorded into our ancient subconscience. An true about the 3, that is has always been used to represent the different realms and also every cycle that is divine: Father-Mother-Child; Childhood-Adulthood-Old Age; Soul-Body-Spirit; Birth-Death-Rebirth; and so on.

a reply to: ltrz2025

Firstly thanks for your contributions. You have gone into places I did not know existed. Overall you have stood strong with what can be proved, when looking for something solid to believe in I do like that. The duality of religion in how we define things like good and bad does have some solid ground in this mess.

But life is more complicated than that, eg, what is the opposite of the color red? How much evidence is enough? It takes more than one megalomaniac nut job for a culture like Christianity to take hold. As for Israel, keep your guard up as they still play by jungle rules when looking into things like 9/11 and the central banks. It ain't all bad as this nation still exists and we do need some coordination to work together as the economy provides.

Your lack of faith in some like Jesus is telling with your lack of compassion in dealing with some of the debate going on. I know it can get frustrating on these boards at times, but we are all here trying to deny ignorance, as best we can. I can see you do have a lot to add to many of the discussions going on. Try not to take it personally, if there is something to what a group consensus can do.

Just take a breath, let that negative energy flow through, then get back on track on how we kill ignorance in a respectful way. Keep punchin bro.

a reply to: kwakakev

HI there bro, ok thanks for your kind words and advices with good intentions, I take them.

Just to give you my perspective. First, there are several aspects in your comment, which I usually don't mix. To me, Faith and Facts are two different worlds. True faith is a process of the heart, a process of love. Facts are part of a process of intelectual mind. That's why I always advise people of true faith, to never question it with their minds. Or to not to try question facts with their faith. It's like using a Ferrari to go grocery shopping.

What you probably consider "lack of compassion", it's actually the reverse of a process of passion. Such as you have Faith in Jesus. I have Faith in Truth and Light. No frustration on my side, I actually thoroughly enjoy this. And believe me, I've been around internet forums since 2004, so there is no way I'm taking internet words personally, lol.

Then, I understand that you are probably a good person, and you probably tend to consider that other people are as good as you. Well, sadly, that's not the case. There are many people around (in real life and internet) that are purposely dishonest, who are not "trying their best", and they should be dealt correctly, otherwise society never moves forward. Read again, you'll see that respect from my side is always there, until the other person takes it away. I guess, you could say that I follow one of Jesus's commandments:

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6)

Call it "righteous anger". Didn't Jesus himself, according to the bible, entered the temple and drove out with anger all who were buying and selling there, and overturned the tables with money?... Can you identify the compassion there?... Some of us feel a compelling responsibility to act when we see people being cheated or lied to, because we understand the abuse that that means.

Light and Truth.


PS: I think I know where your post is coming from and to which particular member we are referring to: "Degradation33" (yeez, what a name to choose). I'm a little harsh with this one because in your previous thread about Jesus, this member confessed that her/his positioning was solely based on the fact that she/he was a zionist, and that political agenda came before the interest for truth. So, now when you re-read Matthew 7:6, you might understand me better. But if you don't, all good anyhow.

a reply to: Hiram33

The darkness came before the light and in the darkness the light was born Much like the initiate stripped bare and alone venturing into the cave to emerge later as an illuminated being

This is how I feel in starting these discussions. No idea where I was going, stripped naked in my current beliefs. Its not the first time I have a fuzzy head when working through information overload. As for finding some illumination by the end of it, maybe?

Maybe there was just a place of darkness before the seed on the universe took root? This kind of nothingness is not the kind of place I want to worship. Perhaps get a good sleep if I did find it?

After getting lost in caves before, thankful to see the sun again.

a reply to: ltrz2025

Then, I understand that you are probably a good person, and you probably tend to consider that other people are as good as you.

Most of us are most of the time, civilization would not of made it this far otherwise. I know I can be a right # at times as rage takes over. I am learning to keep that monster in its cage as something ends up broken every time I let it out.

With the science numbers, about 1% psychopathic, 5% sociopath.

As I wrestle with my rage on all of these globalist nutjobs trying to kill us all. Wisdom says that ain't my problem, the ones pushing this mess are the ones that have to live with it. Some things I can control, some things I cannot.

With some of this Jesus wisdom, have you ever given your shoes to someone that stole your shirt? I tried it once, it took a while and was an effect I did not expect.

a reply to: kwakakev

The darkness came before the light and in the darkness the light was born Much like the initiate stripped bare and alone venturing into the cave to emerge later as an illuminated being

What your friend "Hiram33" (funny, all these 33 around here) is describing is an "initiation" (more like indoctrination) ritual of the Freemasons, called the Chamber of Reflection.

They lock up a young and ignorant man in a dark room for days, with a skull, some human bones, a mirror, some other "artifacts", and a pitch of water and bread. These young people think that they are gaining some "light" by doing so, but instead they are getting traumatized and their will broken, which is what Freemasonry is about: obeying the upper levels of the organization like a mindless bot.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: ltrz2025

Then, I understand that you are probably a good person, and you probably tend to consider that other people are as good as you.

Most of us are most of the time, civilization would not of made it this far otherwise. I know I can be a right # at times as rage takes over. I am learning to keep that monster in its cage as something ends up broken every time I let it out.

With the science numbers, about 1% psychopathic, 5% sociopath.

As I wrestle with my rage on all of these globalist nutjobs trying to kill us all. Wisdom says that ain't my problem, the ones pushing this mess are the ones that have to live with it. Some things I can control, some things I cannot.

With some of this Jesus wisdom, have you ever given your shoes to someone that stole your shirt? I tried it once, it took a while and was an effect I did not expect.

I respect your beliefs and opinons, but in this case, I don't share them at all. And, as said before, all good. Agree to disagree, otherwise the world would be such a boring place. Then you talk about your personal case with rage, I felt no rage at all. Then, I'm constantly giving things to people, but I don't remember anyone stealing my shirts, they are too old.

a reply to: ltrz2025

This is the first time I have tried to openly explore what is Satan about. Looked into some of it a while ago. A mind mess salad, found someone to help me out eventually.

Since then it provided some perspective on why some do get whacked out. Lost in that confusion and madness.

As for the Freemasons, the ones that did build this city have my respect. As for what it has become gets a bit whacked out with some of it. These days its a boys club, lot of business connections to keep the city growing, then that dark side stuff?

I like MLK where we measure a man by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin.

In dealing with the darkness, we all get it when pushed out of our mothers womb at some stage. How many fuzzy days have you had to get where you are in you understanding? I am not a Freemason, got my guard up with some of the things they pull these days. As for the rest of it, suck in this reality going WTF like the rest of us? The hard lessons tend to get more attention than the soft ones.

As for asking that question about Satan, I have found out I am infected. As for where too from here, I still like the hopes Jesus holds.

a reply to: ltrz2025

I felt no rage at all.

Then why use the term childish on a very deep philosophical issue? You don't use rage or just in denial of it?

a reply to: kwakakev

We humans are emotional beings. That's why facts are always miniscule things next to our Faith. Which is why you should never question what you love, you simply should love it. If it's Jesus, love Jesus as much as you can and waste no time questioning him. But well, that's just my advise.

If you ever advance in conceptual metaphysics, you'll understand that there is no such thing as darkness, as there is no such thing as empty. Both what we mistakenly call "darkness" or "empty" simply means: endless possibilities, so it's all the opposite. But this something that you have to understand with your heart, not with your mind. Pointless to write about this.

Regarding Freemasons, this organization was created to "contain" the young men who didn't feel "contained" at church. Some boys don't treasure their inherited god given freedom, that's why they choose to be part of "clubs", where they feel protected and guided. Freemasons simply replace a religious doctrine with a secular doctrine. But still, at the end of the day, it still is about "containment" and "control".


PS: Childish is a word to describe something that it still immature, that hasn't been tempered by patience and wisdom. Plus, in this context, it's just a word written in the internet, so no I idea how you feel you can infer someone's emotions by reading a word. It's not even a "nasty" word at all, like *uck, *unt, *itch, etc. I guess something personal has happened to you, that involved this word and rage, otherwise, I don't understand why you would be making the link... You were respectful so far, but just to let you know, now you are using your personal fantasy about my persona to question my words, not a very logical move there... but feel free to think or believe what you want, I certainly don't care, but this conversation will end under those terms.

a reply to: ltrz2025

you'll understand that there is no such thing as darkness, as there is no such thing as empty.

As a programmer, that does not compute. As a human, this world has many places that are dark and empty. But I guess this is just my rage as I try to prove my righteousness.

In asking what is the devil about, freemasonry has struggled with these issues longer than me. That I have found a path that elders long before walked sucks. There is a good argument that Freemasonry is just as whacked out as many other religions branches these days.

That's why facts are always miniscule things next to our Faith.

I can see your faith in science is strong.

a reply to: kwakakev

No worries, we don't need to have the same views about things.

Regarding "Science", it's not a thing as such where you can have "faith" on, Science is simply a method to analyze theories and establish facts. And Science is corruptible as well. I have Faith, if you want to see it that way, in Truth and Light, which can work disconnected from Science, as Science only deals with that which it can observe (the visible). Truth and Light are also there where you access with the heart. Please don't put words in my mouth that I haven't said. Thanks.

a reply to: ltrz2025

I can see your heart is in a good place. After a few busted bones at an early age, my faith in this physical reality has been strong for a long time and backed up by more hard lessons along the way.

Science is very much corruptible as we have people like Fauci claiming to be it as the media follows it.

Perhaps Satan is like god as it makes an easy answer for all our ills. Just blame that. When talking to one friend about these matters, the closer he got to God, the stronger the Devil became. I don't know? When seeing the path some of these globalist institutions are on, maybe?

I know there is a lot of savage, underhanded history to get us this far in life. As a personal mark, when we cannot be honest when crossing the line, we should not do it.

a reply to: kwakakev

For one saying in how to navigate this spiritual battlefield. There are two wolfs fighting in our hearts, one that feeds on love and one that feeds on hate. The one that wins is the one we feed the most.

Always liked that one, it's my personal belief that they shouldn't be fighting, there shouldn't even be competition. There's plenty of old stories about starving beasts and what happens when you think they're contained and whenever I hear them I always consider both sides of the spectrum rather messed up. Fenrir and Samson are stories that spring to mind but there's many more.

Is it possible that good and evil are concepts that make unnecessary judgements acceptable? Like starving, bounding or even killing wolves?

Starving a wolf and claiming it tame never works.
Who knows maybe those little wolves have littler wolves within them... What about above us? Ahh duality but God is a singularity and the devil?

Probably a myth, so are the scales of good and bad tbh, especially in the hands of flawed operators.

a reply to: Terpene

What about fire?

The fourth spoke that was never needed? Interesting, I've never quite seen it like that or thought it out loud so to speak.

a reply to: RAY1990

there shouldn't even be competition.

When getting into how DNA works along with prehistoric trends, competitions is what makes life stronger. In coming to terms with the dark side of war and conflict, it is competition that drives these tendencies.

We would not have all the amazing capabilities we have today without all the competition of our ancestors to find that way that works. I know it is trying and sucks to be the loser.

Competition is one law of the jungle that has earnt its place on this planet long before humans arrived.

a reply to: kwakakev

I could not talk to you about "Satan" in those terms, because as you've read in my first post here, I don't consider it a real entity. I would be a hypocrite if I did.

I also don't see anything metaphysical, theological or religious element in the powers that be, or the institutions you talk about (which are dead things). They seem to like to bluff that they have some sort of "magic powers" or "esoteric knowledge", but not really, that's a very common trick to create dissonance and fear. Their agenda is simply based on material power.

Then, I don't fear, because I know that everything in the universe is made of God's love. Said from a Christian perspective, if you'd like, I would say that I don't fear Satan, because I see Jesus and he walks right behind me. There is nothing to fear.

Regarding your friend, I don't know the particularities of his beliefs and practices, but it's not uncommon that certain people experience that. There are several reasons why that happens. Some people experience these invisible energies because they come wired to perceived them, they are natural mediums/channelers, outside of western society they are called "shamans", which are 99% of the times super generous and unselfish people, who are assigned to act as protectors of their people. In the western world we known them as "psychotics", and we lock them in hospitals.

Then, other type of people develop contact with these forces, and it can happen for several reason. When it comes to religious people, like your friend, it's because deep down, he might be looking for God or Jesus outside of him, up in heaven, which creates a void within him, that leads to anxiety and opens doors to these entities who feed on those things.

This why I explained in my first post that if you are having visions of Jesus or Mary, beware. True faith is a process of the heart, it's a wave of feeling. Visions are a process of the mind. Even in the Bible they tell you that these entities can take the shape of beings of light. If you talk to priests who are experienced in exorcisms, they will tell you that many of the people who end up possessed, first had religious visions of divinities and angels, to which they "opened" their arms to. It's also important that your friend does not fear or antagonize these entities, because they are simply doing what their nature tells them, just like any other being in the universe. He simply needs to ignore them and focus on finding his God.

originally posted by: Hiram33
a reply to: kwakakev
An old friend.. a friendly face in the darkness and illuminates the path ahead .... I was hungry once the kind soul that he is offered me an apple...
I eat from the tree of knowledge and the tree of life it is my birthright

Interesting. Is this a quote from a book or passage? Or is this your own interpretation? Really curious thanks.

a reply to: Matt11

He is talking about lucifer and making reference to the myth of the Garden of Eden (the "fall" of men) from the Bible. For some strange reason, he believes that Lucifer is Satan... but he is not aware that in the book Satan is a servant of Yahweh, while Lucifer works against Yahweh's wishes. They're not the same. Don't mean disrespect, but freemasons are not usually the brightest bulbs in the room, if you know what I mean.