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So where's the wreckage? Why are they being so vauge? Where's the footage?!

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posted on Feb, 18 2023 @ 02:17 AM
a reply to: nOraKat

Uhhh you’re on ATS and are requesting please no conspiracy theories?! Lol

Are you talking to me? How do you like the real conspiracy I have just unearthed, playing out in this very thread?

posted on Feb, 18 2023 @ 03:52 AM

NORTHCOM said in a statement later in the day that it would end the search for two of the three objects shot down over North America last weekend. Source

I have been saying ever since 12 February that no wreckage or debris of the 'downed' objects (other than the first big Chinese balloon) would be found. Because I don't believe they were balloons, and I don't think there ever was any debris to find.

I am pleased to be proven right, of course, but at the same time I feel deeply uneasy about what is to come next.

Because -- I'll dare another rash prediction, since my first was correct -- something is coming. Not soon, perhaps, but it's coming all right.

edit on 18/2/23 by Astyanax because: typo

posted on Feb, 18 2023 @ 04:35 AM
a reply to: Zaphod58

I inadvertently contradicted myself. The quotes below are from two of my earlier replies to you.

I thought, all this time, that you were debating in good faith -- that you sincerely believed what you were posting. I'm afraid I don't believe that any more.

I might accuse you of credulousness and obstinacy, but I do not suspect you of bad faith.

In the 24hrs that passed between those posts, I realised that you were not necessarily in on the attempted fix. You were just repeating, in all innocence, what you believed.

Sorry I mudjudged you.

posted on Feb, 18 2023 @ 10:39 PM
a reply to: porschedrifter

Is anyone considering the fact that these crafts are INNER-terrestrial? With all the evidence coming to light that there very likely were ancient, like WAY, ancient human civilizations that existed 10s of thousands of years before our modern recorded history, maybe they did what we are doing. That is preparing massive underground bunkers for the elite. I suspect survivors of way ancient civilizations have been secretly pulling the strings for us surface dwellers this whole time. We are the annunaki. We are the "ETs." They come from inside the earth. It's antigravitational tech they came up with over 12,000 years ago. But I'm just wildly speculating

posted on Feb, 22 2023 @ 11:00 PM
a reply to: MakeSoap

...Is anyone considering the fact that these crafts are INNER-terrestrial?


posted on Feb, 23 2023 @ 09:25 AM
UFOs have finally gone mainstream. The UFO community isn't thrilled.

The president of the United States just addressed the American people on UFOs — but it wasn't the extraterrestrial revelation true believers have been waiting for. After decades on the mockable fringes, unidentified aerial phenomena are finally major mainstream news. But the downing of a Chinese spy balloon and three other likely benign objects is an anti-climax for many interested in UFOs, who had hoped for something a little less terrestrial. Many in the UFO community — which ranges from science-minded investigators to faith-based believers — had been hoping recent moves in Washington meant the government was finally getting ready to spill the beans on everything it has collected over decades on unexplained aerial phenomena, even if that didn't include evidence of extraterrestrial life. But the downing of the balloon complicates their narrative and may lead many Americans to wrongly believe that every weird thing seen in the skies has a quotidian explanation, like balloons. John Greenewald, a paranormal investigator and Freedom of Information Act superuser who runs The Black Vault, said that while it is exciting to see the world talking about unidentified anomalous phenomena, or UAPs, “The conversation gets derailed a bit." "Now it’s all about balloons and spy craft. And I worry you’ll see waning interest not only from the American public but from Congress,” Greenewald said. “It’s a shame.”

It is a shame…..


posted on Feb, 23 2023 @ 11:46 AM
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Not important in the long run. If the US government or any other government has game-changing information about UFOs, they could only keep it secret as long as whatever is beyond the phenomenon -- assuming there really is something behind it -- is content to remain occult. In the end, disclosure is in 'their' hands not ours.

If it isn't, and governments really have the final say, then whatever is causing the phenomenon isn't big enough for anyone to bother about. Actual aliens who need help or security from human governments? Defeatable aliens, in that case, or they wouldn't need it. Another superweapon someone has invented? We could hardly come up with anything more lethal than what we already have, so who cares? Some kind of secret new physics? We'll all get hold of it on the end anyway, so ho hum.

If it ain't nonhuman (I don't say ET or even sentient, just not human) it ain't worth losing sleep over.

edit on 23/2/23 by Astyanax because: carelessness

posted on Feb, 25 2023 @ 10:43 PM

originally posted by: Astyanax
Get it? Let me repeat it, just for clarity's sake: I don't know what the hell they are, but they're not balloons.

Personally, I suspect the objects might be of either Chinese or Russian origin. Beyond that is anyone's guess.

posted on Feb, 26 2023 @ 03:21 PM
a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

...the objects might be of either Chinese or Russian origin. Beyond that is anyone's guess.

...or perhaps it is a private or corporate drone or a US classified experimental/intelligence project gone astray, and then shot down prematurely by a trigger-happy, Chinese-balloon-embarrASSed, USAF upon orders from an equally-nervous command center.

If so - they won't admit it anytime soon. The longer "nothing is found" the more solid such a theory becomes.

Domestic or international - the most troubling part is the cluster-frick the US government demonstrated in dealing with it. Like a microcosmic example of the Afghan fiasco. C'mon, guys - get with the program - ANY program...

posted on Feb, 28 2023 @ 03:31 AM
It's all interesting, but the secrecy of all this just makes it more interesting than it actually may be. The American government are not helping, and making it become this conspiracy it is now.

But then again, maybe that is what they want.

posted on Mar, 2 2023 @ 01:21 AM

originally posted by: porschedrifter

3. They are extra-terrestrial in origin and we're either being tested or they are just doing UFO things. Lack of wreckage or evidence in the scenario has also made me think that maybe they are getting hit but not taking damage, and just disappearing like the tic-tacs are able to.

If there's one thing I've learned about the popularity of this subforum on ATS, is that proper evidence is not required to get some attention for a creative storyline that tells people exactly what they want to hear and intrigues them for that reason. It is an excellent demonstration of this Bible prophecy:

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4)

I for one do not believe UFO's seen in earth's sky/atmosphere represent crafts that came from anywhere else in the physical universe. Or that physical alien lifeforms and civilizations exist on other planets.

Extraterrestrials—Where Are They? (Awake!—1990)

ACCORDING to science writer Isaac Asimov, this is “a question that, in a way, spoils everything” for those who believe in life on other planets. Originally posed in 1950 by nuclear physicist Enrico Fermi, the question capped an argument that went something like this: If intelligent life has arisen on other planets in our galaxy, many civilizations should now exist that are millions of years ahead of our own. They should have developed interstellar travel long ago and spread abroad in the galaxy, colonizing and exploring at will. So where are they?

While some SETI scientists are admittedly shaken by this “Fermi paradox,” they often reply to it by pointing out how difficult it would be to voyage between the stars. Even at the speed of light, enormous though that is, it would take a spaceship a hundred thousand years to traverse just our own galaxy. Surpassing that speed is deemed impossible.

Science fiction that features ships hopping from one star to another in a matter of days or hours is fantasy, not science. The distances between stars are vast almost beyond our comprehension. ...

That is why SETI scientists lean so strongly on radio telescopes; they imagine that since advanced civilizations might not travel between stars, they would still seek out other forms of life by the relatively cheap and easy means of radio waves. But Fermi’s paradox still haunts them.

American physicist Freeman J. Dyson has concluded that if advanced civilizations exist in our galaxy, finding evidence of them should be as easy as finding signs of technological civilization on Manhattan Island in New York City. The galaxy should be buzzing with alien signals and their immense engineering projects. But none have been found. In fact, one article on the subject noted that “searched, found nothing” has become like a religious chant for SETI astronomers.

The Doubts Begin

A number of scientists are beginning to realize that their colleagues have made far too many optimistic assumptions in addressing this question. Such scientists come up with a much lower number of advanced civilizations in our galaxy. Some have said that there is but one​—us. Others have said that mathematically, there should be fewer than one​—even we shouldn’t be here!

The basis for their skepticism is not hard to see. It could be summed up with two questions: If such extraterrestrials existed, where would they live? And how did they get there?


And that last question would bring us to the topic of the origin of life, on earth or anywhere else in the universe. And then you run into these problems if you think that happens all the time, all over the universe, spontaneously (by chance and the forces of nature, this is why mathematics comes into the discussion above, as in for example the Drake equation); a belief fueled in no small part due to the hype of those promoting philosophical naturalism and evolutionary philosophies/ideas and storylines regarding this subject, under the marketingbanner "Science":

The article above gets into the subject as well, in the parts I didn't quote.

The entire series on abiogenesis can be found here:

Addressing Abiogenesis: Season 1
Addressing Abiogenesis: Season 02

originally posted by: 00018GE
Almost everywhere we’ve looked we’ve found organic molecules.

originally posted by: whereislogic
Regarding that impression, and in particular regarding the detection of amino acids in meteorites (found on earth, most of which have been in a terrestrial environment for many years or decades) or in samples from "sample return space missions", some people may want to have a look at the topic of "terrestrial contamination" or "organic contamination" (meaning the amino acids that were caused by terrestrial contamination are not of extra-terrestrial origin, but from earth).

Some things that were interesting to me from the following articles:

That was the beginning of my response to 00018GE in the thread Why Does Biological, Organic Life Exist in a Universe that is Inorganic ? As it relates to this hype I was talking about and the effect it has on people in terms of what impression it gives them regarding these subjects (or related subjects).
edit on 2-3-2023 by whereislogic because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 2 2023 @ 03:34 AM

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
UFOs have finally gone mainstream. The UFO community isn't thrilled.

... “The conversation gets derailed a bit." "Now it’s all about balloons and spy craft. And I worry you’ll see waning interest not only from the American public but from Congress,” Greenewald said. “It’s a shame.”

It is a shame…..


Says the guy who makes a living out of the still rather strong interest (talking about Greenewald, not you), as also demonstrated by the amount of commentary in this subforum compared to other subforums on ATS.

I don't think he has much to worry about concerning a waning interest for what he makes a living on, because of explanations that are too "terrestrial" in the eyes of the believers in extraterrestrial explanations (usually involving aliens from other planets). They (or most of those) couldn't care less about evidence or explanations that do not tickle their ears as described at 2 Timothy 4:3,4 (see my previous comment).

And the number of threads and comments about this subject (the shooting down of balloons, or UFO/UAP's caused by balloons) that talk about aliens as well has increased on this subforum rather than decreased. No doubt it has done the same for sales of literature on UFO/UAP's, or visits to the websites of those making a living on this subject (which generates more advertizing revenue if you have a well visited website, youtube channel or your social media; amongst other possible revenue streams that can be generated if you're good at drawing attention, just look at Donald Trump or Alex Jones*).

*: from his wikipage:

According to court testimony Jones delivered in 2014, InfoWars then had revenues of over $20 million a year.
From September 2015 to the end of 2018, the InfoWars store made $165 million in sales, according to court filings relating to the Sandy Hook lawsuits filed against Jones.
The New York Times reported he assisted in raising at least $650,000 from Julie Fancelli, a Publix grocery chain heiress who is a follower of InfoWars, to finance Trump's rally on the Ellipse, including $200,000 of the total amount deposited in one of Jones' bank accounts.
Numerous media sources have raised questions on how much Jones really owns and hides in assets.

edit on 2-3-2023 by whereislogic because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 2 2023 @ 08:55 AM
a reply to: porschedrifter

You can relax a little. Just because they're using the term UFO does not mean it is an alien craft. The term UFO was cooked up by the US Air Force in the early 1950s to be intentionally vague, so that the public would no longer say "I saw a flying saucer!" which is MUCH harder to explain away than saying "I saw a UFO!" which is basically saying nothing. In fact they've dropped that term now and replaced it with UAP, which is even more vague, removing both 'flying' and 'object'.

I can assure you we have not shot down anything alien in this recent spate of activity. This is China starting to push us towards an inevitable military conflict.

To my knowledge, we have never shot down an alien craft of any kind, and when we tried in the 1940s and early 1950s, we lost a lot of planes and a lot of airmen, so the order came down to stop shooting at them. The retrieval and recovery of crashed alien ships that we have been collecting since 1941 were not the result of our planes shooting at them. I don't think we are capable of bringing them down.

But make no mistake - alien ships are all over this world and under it as well, including under our seas.
We are sixty years in to the abduction and hybridization program, which is an important part of their taking over the Earth. They are taking the Earth, its resources and every living thing on it, to do whatever they want, and there's not a damn thing we can do to stop it or slow it down. That's what you should be in a panic about.

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