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posted on Mar, 8 2023 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: iamthevirus
I never support any war, no matter the justification.

It always boils down to money and power. It’s the same people funding and profiting from both sides of the conflict.

War is a profitable business, especially when your business is destruction and then re-construction.




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posted on Mar, 8 2023 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: Grenade

I suppose that you wouldn't have supported the Allies in WW2 against Hitler and the Nazis, then?



posted on Mar, 8 2023 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: Grenade
It always boils down to money and power. It’s the same people funding and profiting from both sides of the conflict.


Exactly! I'm trying to get on on that, I finally saved a little money and it's better than gambling it away.

But of course I don't condone or support any type of war, although it is totally out of my control.

Chances are all parties involved hate me anyway, wartime or not.

I'm done with trying to change peoples opinions, been around long enough to know better. I'm just trying to get mine too.

I'm only here for a little while...

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posted on Mar, 8 2023 @ 05:49 PM
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If they want to war over ideologies let them war.

But the markets are ours! this is not everyone's war but we all must suffer?

Those who support it or not...



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Nope, I would have objected to that war as well.

Considering Britains history of conquest and destruction around the world we can hardly take the high ground.

It’s not as simple as us v them or good v evil in my mind.

Rather ironic you bring up the Nazis, isn’t that the prevailing ideology in Ukraine, we’re now supplying arms to?
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posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:14 AM
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a reply to: Grenade

Great. We'd all be talking German if everyone had felt that way.


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posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Did the Germans force the Italians to give up their language, or the French, or any country in the Axis, or any invaded territory?

How many countries around the world speak English? Ever thought about why?

Seems to me war is ok as long as you’re on the winning side.
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posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: Grenade

Lighten up?



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Oldcarpy2


Rather ironic you bring up the Nazis, isn’t that the prevailing ideology in Ukraine, we’re now supplying arms to?


Since far right parties didn't win a single seat in last election then no. It isnt the prevailing ideology.



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

You don’t need to be right wing to be a fascist, despite attempts to correlate the two by fascists on the left.

Lots of Hitlers policies would be supported by the modern woke left.

Their programs called for the nationalisation of healthcare, education, transportation and other major industry. They limited free speech. Also pushed through policies on strict gun control, environment protection, easier access to abortion. A social credit system was also brought in, allowing people to work towards holidays and government gifts like cars. National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

You don’t need to be right wing to be a fascist, despite attempts to correlate the two by fascists on the left.

Lots of Hitlers policies would be supported by the modern woke left.

Their programs called for the nationalisation of healthcare, education, transportation and other major industry. They limited free speech. Also pushed through policies on strict gun control, environment protection, easier access to abortion. A social credit system was also brought in, allowing people to work towards holidays and government gifts like cars. National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.



They also built good roads. Maybe Eisenhower was a NAZI?

Feel free to offer any evidence to back up your assertion was that the prevailing ideology in Ukraine is NAZI.



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

How many medals has it's president handed out to members of the Azov Battalion. That's not the only radicalised white supremacist group in Ukraine btw. How about C14 and the municipal guard, one of three militias in Kiev supported by the government BEFORE the war?

If your government is arming and legitimising white supremacist hate groups then i don't see how voting left of right makes a difference.

Try holding an LGBT rally in Kiev, see how much they identify with the liberals and how left leaning and progressive they are.



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posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

How many medals has it's president handed out to members of the Azov Battalion. That's not the only radicalised white supremacist group in Ukraine btw. How about C14 and the municipal guard, one of three militias in Kiev supported by the government BEFORE the war?

If your government is arming and legitimising white supremacist hate groups then i don't see how voting left of right makes a difference.

Try holding an LGBT rally in Kiev, see how much they identify with the liberals and how left leaning and progressive they are.




So a tiny part of the Ukrainian military formed in response to Russian aggression is evidence that the prevailing ideology is NAZI?

Ukraine has better LGBT rights than much of Eastern Europe, far better than in Russia. You know the country invading neighbours using made up pretext.

Remind who the NAZIs are again?



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

en.wikipedia.org...

The Soviets fought the Nazis did they not?



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

en.wikipedia.org...

The Soviets fought the Nazis did they not?



And?

They were also allied to the NAZIs and invaded Poland together.

The Soviets record in Ukraine pre war was appalling, support for Germany against the soviet Union is hardly surprising.



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

The Asov battalion was formed out of two existing groups operating within Ukraine. The ultra-nationalist Patriot of Ukraine gang, and the neo-Nazi Social National Assembly (SNA) group.

Seems it's ok to fund and arm white supremacists as long as they're shooting in the right direction.



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

You move the goalposts every two minutes, i'm not even sure the point you're trying to make now.

Adios, there's only so much naivety i can stomach in one day.

My point was that i don't support war as it's always poor people dying for the rich mans gain.

Wave your little Ukrainian flags all day to signal what a good citizen you are, just be aware the situation is more complex than what the media feeds you.



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 11:12 AM
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My point was your claim that NAZI is the prevailing ideology is false.

I think posting russian propaganda like that then saying this is a little ironic.



Wave your little Ukrainian flags all day to signal what a good citizen you are, just be aware the situation is more complex than what the media feeds you.



And if you want areal examples of moving goal posts how about referring to world war 2 as evidence for your claim that modern day Ukraine is NAZI.



posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Actually, you asked who the Nazi's were. Again, out of context.

I honestly can't be bothered with you, just like most of the people on this forum.

Not going to feed the trolls or idiots any longer.

Like i said i don't support either side of the war. Only one of us is feeding off propaganda. You're like a parrot of the BBC website on every issue. I'll go there for my daily BS, you don't need to repeat it, thanks.
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posted on Mar, 9 2023 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

Actually, you asked who the Nazi's were. Again, out of context.

I honestly can't be bothered with you, just like most of the people on this forum.

Not going to feed the trolls or idiots any longer.

Like i said i don't support either side of the war. Only one of us is feeding off propaganda. You're like a parrot of the BBC website on every issue. I'll go there for my daily BS, you don't need to repeat it, thanks.


You brought up NAZIs, its very in context of our conversation.

You do understand the point of this site is to discuss issues?

I am sure there are sites that provide the circle jerk (both figuratively and literally) that you seem to want.

Maybe one of them would suit you better .




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