SpaceX should choose between Ukraine and Russia: Ukrainian official

originally posted by: shaolinmonk
a reply to: GravitySucks

I know for certain a lot of ethnic Russians moved to Ukraine during the Soviet times. Antonov, for example, was an ethnic Russian who moved to Ukraine and set up Antonov aerospace. An-225 was a beast of a plane. Biggest ever.

Which the Russians destroyed. 🤬

a reply to: Creep Thumper

Ukraine's population fell a lot after 1991 when a lot of ethnic Russians moved back to Russia.

a reply to: Cutepants

But it cannot be applied to weaponized drones.

originally posted by: shaolinmonk
a reply to: Creep Thumper

Ukraine's population fell a lot after 1991 when a lot of ethnic Russians moved back to Russia.

I'm talking about the plane.

originally posted by: shaolinmonk
a reply to: Cutepants

But it cannot be applied to weaponized drones.

Of course it can. How do gps-guided missiles work? Or Chinese Beidou?

originally posted by: Cutepants

originally posted by: Timber13
Though I'd like to think it's just that he doesn't want blood on his hands.

Don't you realize he'll have blood on his hands either way? Don't be so naive.

Dont come at me with some liberal mental madness.

Reality doesn't work that way. You don't get blood on your hands if you're actively trying to prevent it. By not allowing his property to be used to take lives, it doesn't matter if lives would be lost or saved - that point doesn't exist. The cat is still in that box and no one is going to open the lid until he says, "ok, let's use my stuff for war". Counter to the contrary in your case, it doesn't matter which side he's helping - blood on his hands helping either side.

The correct option here is to simply not use his stuff for war. Let the war pigs figure it out. They're quite capable without Elon.

a reply to: Timber13

Liberal? How do you mean?

If they use Starlink for drones, more Russians die. They only use for it guiding artillery, less Russians die and more Ukrainians and civilians die. So what's the big difference here?

You don't get blood on your hands if you're actively trying to prevent it.

If you caused me to die by intentionally and even selectively preventing me from defending myself I would consider you to have my blood on your hands. Even more so if you caused my child to die.

By not allowing his property to be used to take lives, it doesn't matter if lives would be lost or saved - that point doesn't exist.

I guess not for you, but Musk seems to think it's important.

originally posted by: JAY1980
He doesn't seem to have a conscious about Ukraine using starlink to guide America HIMARS into civilian targets in the Donbass region...

Why would they waste a HIMARS on civilians? Also, after Russia has basically flatten every building standing is there anyone left there. I think most of the men have been rounded up to be put in the Russian army.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Timber13

Be peaceful and people will treat you peaceful.

That's what the ethnic Russian Ukrainians had been doing in Eastern Ukraine for generations. The Ukrainian Nazis didn't like their way of life and brought war to them so its not as easy as you say.

They have not been there for generations. they showed up when th eformer president of ukraine was sent into exile in russia. And Nazis are traditionally german.Those are just fan boys.(russia uses them as well)

Are you kidding me?? The ethnic Russian Ukrainians have been living in Donbass for generations since the times of the USSR started and before that too.

I'm not talking about some family members and friends that came from Russia to help the people of Donbass in 2014, I'm talking about the people that literally have been there for generations. They were born in the Donbass and Eastern Ukraine but their grandparents, great grand parents and further on came from Russia.

originally posted by: GravitySucks

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Timber13

Be peaceful and people will treat you peaceful.

That's what the ethnic Russian Ukrainians had been doing in Eastern Ukraine for generations. The Ukrainian Nazis didn't like their way of life and brought war to them so its not as easy as you say.

Please stop your BS about Nazis.

Russia has its fair share of Nazis, as does the U.S. Ukraine has about the same ratio and the Nazis are by no means the majority power in any of the three countries.

Also, the "ethnic Russian Ukrainians" is an oxymoron. These are Russians who moved to Ukraine during the USSR days and liked it and stayed when the collapse happened and now somehow for some reason what to stay Russian.

Kind of like how it chaps a lot of peoples' craws when the Mexicans move here and keep speking Spanish.

But the point remains that the east and Crimea are Ukrainian.

See the BIG DIFFERENCE here is that the Nazis in Russia and the USA were not an official part of their armed forces and the governments in those countries didn't fund and support the Nazis to attack, kill and wage war on a specific minority inside the country like the Ukrainian government did with their nazis. BIG BIG DIFFERENCE. It would be liken the US having an official squadron of nazis in the armed forces and then using them to wage war and kill Legal Mexican migrants and Mexican Americans living in SoCal and attacking their neighborhoods and towns that they live in where the Mexican Americans are the majority. THAT is what it was like in Ukraine.

a reply to: GravitySucks


Russia and the US don't have Nationlists and Nazis marching through Moscow and Washington DC having a yearly celebration (which the Ukrainian government approves of) for a far right leader of the radical, militant wing of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists named OUN-B & a proud Nazi collaborater, Stepan Bandera.

Looks like Elon might get a clue from this....

United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately | Reuters

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

You don't know what you're talking about.

a reply to: shaolinmonk

If he's not taking sides, then yes. But he may appear to be doing so. Hard to tell.