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Zelensky Pushes Europe to Cross Another Red Line

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posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 11:13 AM
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at this point a next war was locked in decades ago as they always are locked in decades before..all each of us can do is find our own hill to live and die on..

eta what this reminds me of operation benedict.. only this time in reverse


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posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: putnam6


I believe it, just like the corrupted government in our nation that profit from wars thanks to the benefactors in the war industry.

Putin know where to find the money, the profiteers of wars are color blind and have alliance to any country.


Do you mean like the



Late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.


www.theguardian.com...



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: putnam6
So let's try and forget which side we are on here, and discuss this new development.

Okay...


When do we hit the threshold where Putin capitulates and leaves Ukraine, 1 more year? 2 years? Is that even achievable anymore?

You already lost me...

You can't forget what side you are on...

Russia will never capitulate to the west and Ukraine ever again. You are naive if you think that's how it will end. Russia tried to negotiate a peace agreement for 8 years only to learn that peace agreement was just a ploy so NATO could arm their cardboard nazi army in Ukraine to the teeth.

Russia has no one left to negotiate with so is left with determining the outcome on it's own. Which will inevitably be the removal of the Zelenskyy regime. Of course Zelenskyy and his inner circle will be flown to Miami long before that happens.

For the record acknowledge how this war started and how it will inevitably end is not pro-Russian. It's pro-reality.


Jeez Jay stuck in 1980

Where exactly did I say thats where the war ends?

Isn't that the end that both Zelenskyy and Biden have prescribed?

Are your Russian sensitivities soothed if it's framed?

What happens if Ukraine doesn't capitulate?

When can we expect the end of Russia's Special Military operation, will the end have a Special designation to it? Like the Russian premier ought to have attached to himself

Just because the question is posed from the Ukrainian/Zelnensky perspective/ view doesn't mean I prescribe to that being the end, I only bring it to the discussion as it's what Ukraine, NATO, and the West says must happen to end the conflict.

No one knows what Russia actually wants and what a final end to the Russian Special Operation would look like, much less when it would happen. Nor does Putin, unless you thought a year ago he thought he would have his teats still stuck in the wringer in February 2023.



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: putnam6

So let's try and forget which side we are on here



Ummm...which sides might they be...?

The Biden administrations...?

The MIC...?


I'm not invested in either...

As for making predictions...I'll leave that to you psychics...

It takes 5 years to train pilots


Ukraine can’t bank on British jets: it takes the RAF five years to train pilots
Some British forces are yet to complete their training after nine years




YouSir


Would you have preferred instead of "side", If I framed it no matter your position, as that implies just your thoughts on a situation and not an actual alliance with any country, defense treaty organization, or other entity?

Really a link that you have to subscribe to?

Besides, do you really think the UK won't fast-track the Ukrainian pilots if this were as urgent as Zelenskyy proposes, as it seems some delays are throughout the whole RAF, not just fighter jets? as well as wouldn't their training likely be less strict than the RAF's requirements?

www.dailymail.co.uk...


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posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: Nirishman
a reply to: marg6043

Because you are watching a show, there are double triple even quadruple agents. All this is planned to a tee.


If you have deduced this show has double, triple and quadruple agents involved, can you deduce an ending time frame

If it's planned down to a "T" then when is the planned ending?



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Nirishman
a reply to: marg6043

Because you are watching a show, there are double triple even quadruple agents. All this is planned to a tee.


can you deduce an ending time frame

If it's planned down to a "T" then when is the planned ending?


What constitutes a "planned ending" to you?

1) Ukraine surrenders?
2) Russia totally withdraws?
3) Russia partially withdraws?
4) Russia surrenders?
5) Nuclear war?



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Russia surrendering would mean the end of Russia as a civilization.

There are some who dont know but Ukraine as a nation was possible because of Russia.



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 12:43 PM
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There was an empire in Eastern Europe and near the areas that are known now as Ukraine that were in the control of Crimea until the Rus tribes came along.

There is much of history of Eastern Europe that many Western Europe haven't being taught off.

Also imagine to be fighting for a person like zelensky whose not Ukrainian.
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posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: vNex92
Imagine to be fighting for a person like Zelensky whose not Ukrainian.


Imagine fighting for a person like Hitler who was not born a German.



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Ah yes Austrian ya?

Austrians have German roots.


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posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: IAMTAT

Russia surrendering would mean the end of Russia as a civilization.

There are some who dont know but Ukraine as a nation was possible because of Russia.




I'm sure that your average Ukrainian is so grateful for that.

Probably not feeling so warm and fuzzy about Putin's war against them, I'd hazard a guess.


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posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Nirishman
a reply to: marg6043

Because you are watching a show, there are double triple even quadruple agents. All this is planned to a tee.


can you deduce an ending time frame

If it's planned down to a "T" then when is the planned ending?


What constitutes a "planned ending" to you?

1) Ukraine surrenders?
2) Russia totally withdraws?
3) Russia partially withdraws?
4) Russia surrenders?
5) Nuclear war?



I'm framing the question as it's planned because the poster says it all is planned and has been planned from the beginning. Thus with all this planning shouldn't we expect a planned ending as well?

I do not know if it's planned or not, just trying to pull useful answers to a potential timeline for the easement of hostilities



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You mean the majority of those same average Ukrainians who also speak Russian and have families in Eastern Ukraine?




I'm sure that your average Ukrainian is so grateful for that.

Without Russia there wouldn't be an Ukraine today if your beloved mongol empire managed to destroy Moscow as a Rus tribe in the early days of Eastern Europe.

Some of you Westerns are completely arent very well educated when it comes to some parts of history and that response of yours is no different.



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: vNex92
There was an empire in Eastern Europe and near the areas that are known now as Ukraine that were in the control of Crimea until the Rus tribes came along.

There is much of history of Eastern Europe that many Western Europe haven't being taught off.

Also imagine to be fighting for a person like zelensky whose not Ukrainian.


What do you mean he isn't Ukranian?

Details please.
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posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: vNex92




Austrians have German roots.


Making things up again i see.

Austians have Celtic roots. But your lack of knowledge shines out loud and clear.



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: Oldcarpy2




Probably not feeling so warm and fuzzy about Putin's war against them


Ah i bet you missed the days of Boris Yeltsin when that laughing clown of Hillary's Clinton was destorying Russia.


When Yeltsin was governing Russia, He was destroying the Russian economy.


Making sure that Russia wasn't a threat to the American World Order during the 90s. Russians had nothing to eat. Many families couldn't effort it.



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: vNex92

My "beloved Mongol empire"?

What are you on about?

Are Ukrainians throwing flowers at Russian invaders?

It least us "Westerns" don't try to re write history and airbrush folk out of history.



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong




Making things up again i see.

Ever heard of the Khazars? and their rule of crimean peninsula until the Rus people tribes came little Western?



posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: vNex92

Bet you miss the days when Stalin starved millions to death in what is now Ukraine.
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posted on Feb, 9 2023 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

He isn't Ukrainian Orthodox.




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