A 7.8 earthquake has hit Central Turkey it's bad

a reply to: TheGoondockSaint
Height above sea level.
Rainbows
Jane
PS death toll has just gone over 2,000

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: putnam6
So these quakes are heading southward down the fault line then?
Looks like it.
Not good.
Rainbows
Jane
PS, I have emailed a fellow therapist/student who lives in Turkey. Seriously hope I hear back from her.

I dont know, but yes looks like Turkey is trying to unzip from Syria

1121 killed in Turkey

783 in Syria

reporter reporting live as aftershocks rock Syria

a reply to: Ilikesecrets

Turkey has no operating commercial nuclear reactors.

They are building one however in the Mersin Province(the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant).

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: autopat51
a reply to: musicismagic
that is good for you, in Turkey the official count is 1710 buildings destroyed so far. wonder how many people are laying in that rubble?

You missed his point. No earthquakes and unusually heavy snowpack means that when that pack lifts, it can cause rebounding and movement in areas where that has been no pressure release *because* there has been no quake all that time.

Thank you for being on the same page as me concerning that.
I know people haven't seen the horrendous snow that is happening here .the snow is up the second level of people's homes in some areas. unless you've seen some videos or the NHK news or a n n news you have no idea how high that snow is.

When I was stationed in Alaska, we got a 7.1 earthquake.

If you haven't been in one, you can't imagine what the shaking is like. No video, no description, nothing else in your experience is anything like that. Luckily most of the infrastructure in Alaska is well-built to withstand such quakes.

Seeing the death toll and collapsed buildings, of course my initial thought was prayers to the victims. Next thing that came to mind was a book about climate change I've been reading by environmental economist Bjorn Lomborg. It is titled "False Alarm," and it is not about how climate change isn't real (he believes it is) but about how the irresponsible overexaggeration of climate change by the media and politicians has led us to waste hundreds of billions of dollars on climate policies that do very little. He makes the case that the money could be better spent helping people climb out of poverty, which would save way more lives than climate policies do.

How would these people have fared if the rich countries had taken the money wasted on climate policies and used it to help developing countries bring their buildings up to safer code standards?

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Ilikesecrets
This could explain why the USA went to Defcon 2 earlier this evening? Weird times.

Does the US have a history of heightening the defense condition because of an earthquake in Turkey

I suspect this might have been done as Incirlik Air Base is pretty much right beside the fault line. It is a major NATO air base for the region and also is home to US tactical nuclear weapons. Would not surprise me if this is the reason for DEFCON 2 as the weapons safety could be compromised. Info I see puts DEFCON 2 around 20 hours ago. Seems to be in time line with quakes. Looks like current DEFCON at level 3 now.

The TRT is showing Twitter and other social media posts of people pleading for help for thier trapped families and loved ones in multiple areas

That hits hard on a number of levels.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Ilikesecrets
This could explain why the USA went to Defcon 2 earlier this evening? Weird times.

Does the US have a history of heightening the defense condition because of an earthquake in Turkey

I suspect this might have been done as Incirlik Air Base is pretty much right beside the fault line. It is a major NATO air base for the region and also is home to US tactical nuclear weapons. Would not surprise me if this is the reason for DEFCON 2 as the weapons safety could be compromised. Info I see puts DEFCON 2 around 20 hours ago. Seems to be in time line with quakes.

what info would that be? Are you connected with the military or got links Id like to read about that.

originally posted by: putnam6

I dont know, but yes looks like Turkey is trying to unzip from Syria

1121 killed in Turkey

783 in Syria

reporter reporting live as aftershocks rock Syria

From Italian media la Repubblica (paywall)

Translation:

The earth split for 150 kilometers and Anatolia moved 3 meters.

The push game didn't hold up this time. The fault that divides the Arabian and Anatolian plates broke, unleashing a magnitude 7.8 earthquake in south-eastern Turkey: the equivalent, in terms of energy released, of 32 Hiroshima atomic nukes, a thousand times more than the Amatrice earthquake in 2016.

"Normally in this area we record plate movements of around 10 millimeters per year" explains Aybige Akinci , Turkish researcher at Ingv, National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology.

originally posted by: face23785
When I was stationed in Alaska, we got a 7.1 earthquake.

If you haven't been in one, you can't imagine what the shaking is like. No video, no description, nothing else in your experience is anything like that. Luckily most of the infrastructure in Alaska is well-built to withstand such quakes.

Seeing the death toll and collapsed buildings, of course my initial thought was prayers to the victims. Next thing that came to mind was a book about climate change I've been reading by environmental economist Bjorn Lomborg. It is titled "False Alarm," and it is not about how climate change isn't real (he believes it is) but about how the irresponsible overexaggeration of climate change by the media and politicians has led us to waste hundreds of billions of dollars on climate policies that do very little. He makes the case that the money could be better spent helping people climb out of poverty, which would save way more lives than climate policies do.

How would these people have fared if the rich countries had taken the money wasted on climate policies and used it to help developing countries bring their buildings up to safer code standards?

100 Billion from NATO aid and all those military vehicles could be put to better use, what has not been packaged for Ukraine already send to an actual NATO member if they can use it, IMHO

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Ilikesecrets
This could explain why the USA went to Defcon 2 earlier this evening? Weird times.

Does the US have a history of heightening the defense condition because of an earthquake in Turkey

I suspect this might have been done as Incirlik Air Base is pretty much right beside the fault line. It is a major NATO air base for the region and also is home to US tactical nuclear weapons. Would not surprise me if this is the reason for DEFCON 2 as the weapons safety could be compromised. Info I see puts DEFCON 2 around 20 hours ago. Seems to be in time line with quakes.

what info would that be? Are you connected with the military or got links Id like to read about that.

Just quick searches and some info matching here and there over the past 20 hours or so. Main info here

DEFCON levels

originally posted by: Encia22

originally posted by: putnam6

I dont know, but yes looks like Turkey is trying to unzip from Syria

1121 killed in Turkey

783 in Syria

reporter reporting live as aftershocks rock Syria

From Italian media la Repubblica (paywall)

Translation:

The earth split for 150 kilometers and Anatolia moved 3 meters.

The push game didn't hold up this time. The fault that divides the Arabian and Anatolian plates broke, unleashing a magnitude 7.8 earthquake in south-eastern Turkey: the equivalent, in terms of energy released, of 32 Hiroshima atomic nukes, a thousand times more than the Amatrice earthquake in 2016.

"Normally in this area we record plate movements of around 10 millimeters per year" explains Aybige Akinci , Turkish researcher at Ingv, National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology.

I'm a complete novice about earthquakes, but that kind of distance and longevity is highly usual, on the USGS site most of the aftershocks within 10-17 miles of depth like the same areas are grinding together.

This is hardly the first time Turkey has had devastating earthquakes. They tend to be deadly because of the poor construction of the buildings in the affected areas. If they haven't adopted tough building codes by now--or won't enforce them--then it's on them.

They should pull the blueprints on the downed buildings and check to see if the applicable codes were followed. If not, they need to start arresting the construction managers.

a reply to: starviego

Harsh....

a reply to: Sparkymedic

That shows a current level of 3, as you said. I don't see anything about it recently being at 2 though.

ETA: Please see here. There's a reason that website says "ESTIMATE" in numerous places. They don't actually know the DEFCON level.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Ilikesecrets
This could explain why the USA went to Defcon 2 earlier this evening? Weird times.

Does the US have a history of heightening the defense condition because of an earthquake in Turkey

I suspect this might have been done as Incirlik Air Base is pretty much right beside the fault line. It is a major NATO air base for the region and also is home to US tactical nuclear weapons. Would not surprise me if this is the reason for DEFCON 2 as the weapons safety could be compromised. Info I see puts DEFCON 2 around 20 hours ago. Seems to be in time line with quakes.

what info would that be? Are you connected with the military or got links Id like to read about that.

Just quick searches and some info matching here and there over the past 20 hours or so. Main info here

DEFCON levels

It could be true, but other ATS members have mentioned it's unlikely this information would be freely available on the internet, as it's classified.

Not to mention Turkey and NATO were squabbling just days before. Search

"is NATO using Turkey airbases for Ukraine?"

multiple articles

originally posted by: starviego
This is hardly the first time Turkey has had devastating earthquakes. They tend to be deadly because of the poor construction of the buildings in the affected areas. If they haven't adopted tough building codes by now--or won't enforce them--then it's on them.

They should pull the blueprints on the downed buildings and check to see if the applicable codes were followed. If not, they need to start arresting the construction managers.

That was what the little girl being pulled from the rubble was thinking...

whos cares what their governments have or haven't done, it's about the innocent masses.

Jeez, I sound like a liberal millennial on this, that little girl didn't ask to be born into that crap.

and it's even worse for the Syrians after 12 years of civil war, they have significantly less infrastructure for recovery, and wonder how much help they can get from Russia for instance, till worldwide help can arrive.

a reply to: Sparkymedic

Not sure how many times it needs to be said before people stop spreading fake news. The actual DEFCON status is classified. It isn't on a freaking website or youtube channel.

a reply to: putnam6
Latest on TRTWorld:
1,498 Turkey and 810 in Syria. = 2,308
Sad Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: putnam6
Latest on TRTWorld:
1,498 Turkey and 810 in Syria. = 2,308

Sad Rainbows
Jane

Hasn't even been 24 hours...

UN Secretary-General brought up an excellent point, let's not forget Turkey has absorbed more refugees than any other country and has done so effectively.