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Our Perspective of Aliens and Ourselves Is Warped

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posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 02:14 PM
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Our perspective of space and ourselves is more than a little warped.
Beyond the riffraff of countless small asteroidal bodies, our solar system has nine, positively known, planets. They are Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and maybe Pluto. Our place is relatively comfortable. –Remember that.

On Earth, we have progressed to where our unguided efforts for a modern civilization is literally eating us out of home and environment. As a matter of course, we longingly look to escape to space. We eventually will seek out stars and planets that have the conditions and raw materials we need to survive and to continue our quest. We commonly say that we will be going to those places out of necessity. Such actions are more exciting than cleaning house, and more of a delusional lust.

So, in cutting to the bone here about ET visitors to Earth, we should consider what are visiting aliens wanting from us. Are they primarily here for fun or profit? Or for some esoteric reason such as a cosmic brotherhood? In truth, the game is theirs to play. We can’t stand and watch but are pressed into service by their rules. Do they want our hearts and minds or our physical resources? Once their foot is in the door, their “to-do list” takes precedent over our lives.

In contemplating visits to Earth from alien beings with their own wants and needs, we must wonder about their reasons for coming—or rather more directly for our sake, what was to be the result upon us from the visit? If earth’s history of human exploitations of humans is any judge, we might want to think long and hard about this point. Explorations almost inevitably lead to exploitation and in the worst cases, slavery and annihilation. The explorer always has the advantage. Establishing an alien “beachhead” on Earth would need a form of practically. Trade with a world of very primitive humans seems absurd. How about they peddling a soothing spiel? “We come in peace,” isn’t that a dandy way to begin an entrance to any transaction?? Good for the cosmic soul, right, brotherhood and all of that stuff? …With serious secret negotiations to follow in due course.

Many of us on ATS have an interest in learning about the murky details of ancient, crude mines for gold, silver, diamonds and other ores found on various continents of Earth. Quite puzzling. These suspected mines are usually ignored because they fall outside the parameters that have been applied to the various stages of assumed human development at those early times and places. Plus, while the physical earthworks of such mines may be evident to a trained eye, the artifacts for the proper dating of the periods are scant or missing. The timelines of most human activity have been set in stone, so to speak, and the stark, bare evidence of such mines are thankfully ignored, not supported by substantial evidence.

Space travelling beings need resources to keep themselves going unless they have truly magical powers. The required materials must come either from their solar family or from another. Once a life form gains the means to leave their home planet, they will need to replenish basic materials from the new territories or simply return home to restock.

Any one of our solar planets also may have the required resources in their surface areas but in those inhospitable places such work would have involved very specialized equipment and resources perhaps beyond the means of the traveling visitors. None of the other planets or moons have breathable atmospheres, some are too hot or violent, some are too large with oppressive gravities, some moons are too small with poor gravities. But Earth seems to have been tailor-made. (With lots abundant water and cow parts.)

If the ETs primary motivation was to travel the stars to mine materials from visited planets, then Earth was exactly fitted to their several needs with its available multiple ores, mild physical environment and a ready-made work force for the grunt work. A win-win for them! A place to revisit, time and time again!

Think about it: How would the ETs gain their materials solely on their own? Would they be equipped to venture out, suited or not, into earthen dog-hole mines with their own hands/claws and shovels? Would they carry around robust robotic mining equipment to dig for diamonds, copper, silver, and iron? They likely had the sciences to search the Earth’s surfaces for what they sought, (as we do today) but not the ability to collect or refine the materials. Ore was obtained by labor, and there is evidence that it was smelted to some extent in those same areas, but where did it go from there? Was it shipped off to massive factory ships orbiting overhead, or slung in powered containers far beyond to other places? (Perhaps done even today under secret governmental programs.)

Maybe we should wonder if their honest and immediate motives, again, their needs and wants, were of only two physical things, ores and bodies to work the dirt and stone? Could we be easily suckered into being slaves to a higher power? Would it be above-board mutual and decent contracts with aliens contracting for human labor or something less than fair? This gets dicy, as they would indeed have the advantage. Let us ponder. Such could be underhanded contracts also. Did they or another species on earlier interventions gift to ancient rulers rudimentary sciences, governments, and amazing stone structures? Rulers who then put on the backs of the workers the physical load to unearth and move the materials?
To be sure, Earth rulers, past and present would make any agreements to their advantage over the welfare of the masses. In retrospect, who would benefit from alien contact? Trickle down economics really drips slowly down and may entirely evaporate on the way.

We may want to compare this earlier scenario to the current arrival of ETs, what we don’t know about them, and how our governments have been acting, and finally, what it means to each be a human citizen.

While the prehistoric visits of aliens left multiple traces in various points on Earth for us to recognize that they were here, why do we not know exactly of them? --Maybe they left us to our own preoccupations but also left pyramids, a zodiac or dozens of molded rock structures as mementoes. I must wonder were those better times or a time of cursing the Heavens? And have they returned?



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: Observer19

Our perspective of space and ourselves is more than a little warped.
Beyond the riffraff of countless small asteroidal bodies, our solar system has nine, positively known, planets. They are Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and maybe Pluto. Our place is relatively comfortable. –Remember that.


What I'll remember is that you forgot Neptune. Also, though it pains me to say so, Pluto is no longer officially a planet. So in terms of a warped perspective, that's coming from you.



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: Observer19

Good, thoughtful opening thread!!

Or, Is it possible the "others" are gatekeepers of a prison planet to keep the violent, warlike, primitive occupants isolated from the rest of the cosmos? AT least we should have a moon base by now, instead we stockpile nukes and bio/chem. Would you trust us?

And yes they do have magical powers.








edit on 23-1-2023 by olaru12 because: sp



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: Observer19

Spice is the key to travel.. Travel without moving.. No need for other planets, even our own reality is just a fragment of an impossible object.. People are delusional yes, technology and spaceships, why? There is nothing to gain from that, we should have stayed as a true species on planet earth, the current state of the species is an abomination, and will only bring suffering and extinction in an accelerated form.



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 03:52 PM
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I would say Occam’s razor informs the massive ufo appearance has something to do with technology, mainly surrounding nuclear issues.

Relating to the human potential to literally wipe out all life on earth.

Humanity is a dangerous species, and with such a capacity, one might expect such visitations from above or below.



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: Observer19

If they exist, not sure what Aliens' motives might be but mining seems improbable. Much easier and richer sources of material in space, such as asteroids



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: Observer19
I hate to make such a simplistic remark on this much writing you've done, but we got to actually find any kind of life off this planet, before we spend too much time speculating their motives, if they're capable of such I think



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 06:56 PM
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Has anyone considered what we call ET's and assume advanced EBE's are really just a type of Bot?
The internet has Bot's so why not arial ones zipping all over the planet.

Bot's manipulate our narrative electronically.
Ufo Bot's,Tic-Tac Bots control the narrative by their actions.

Pretty slick!



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 07:36 PM
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a reply to: Observer19

If the Speed of Light IS the absolute maximum speed allowed by the physics of this universe, any interstellar species hoping to physically visit Earth (or be visited by Earth) would need to bring All that they require for a decades, centuries, even millennia long transit.

Right down to the micronutrients in their soil and the rare elements and gases in their atmosphere. Even the types of radiation they evolved under would need to be duplicated and maintained throughout their exceedingly long voyage.

Any civilization capable of such an engineering feat, essentially sending the material equivalent of their home world hurtling across the interstellar void, at near light speed, would find very little on Earth that would be of use to them.


If the speed of light is not an absolute limit, the technology that would enable transit as such velocities could only be developed by a civilization advanced far beyond the need for raw materials available on our small rock.

To manipulate Space/Time in such a way that you are able to travel FTL, would require a technological mastery of the universal physics to a level that would allow one to "create" all that one could need out of the fundamental building blocks of reality.
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posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: Observer19

Could it be that earth is like the colosseum and the aliens are the Romans? Perhaps we are nothing but entertainment. Judging by the actions of world leaders, it’s pretty certain that something’s going to pop soon. Maybe they are gathering for another big show.



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: Observer19

I basically agree with Mantiss2021.
That's highly unlikely because: mass
What little we learned from our own space experiments is mass makes it harder if not impossible to reach higher speeds. E=mc^2
Even if we assume they solved that, they couldn't take their loot home, because the increase in mass of their homeworld would change the orbit and sooner or later result in them either diving into their sun, hitting another planet, or getting ejected out of their planetary system.
Worse than useless.



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: Mantiss2021

If you knew anything about the antics of UFOs, you would sumise that they negate gravity, mass, inertia, etc. I get tired of saying this: Birds fly because they learned to sidestep gravity and physics. So you must look at birds and say, "Don't kid yourself, bird, you can't fly!" UFOs move in any direction they wish because they use a system that allows them to do so. It is that simple. Their ability has absolutely nothing to do with Einstein. And if you fall back on Carl Sagan's old phrase, "Yes, ETs are out there, but they can't get here." Sagan wasn't a fool. He was simply deflecting the much sought secret of how UFOs move, a task that the US has been working on since the first UFOs were witnessed their uncanny abilities.



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 09:56 PM
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a reply to: vance

So you deny that UFOs are what they give every evidence of being, phenomenal equipment that seem to disallow physics?



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: Observer19




Birds fly because they learned to sidestep gravity and physics


What? no. Lift and thrust. Things that don't help you in space much. Because there's no air.



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: Observer19

Ahhh...the power of perspective!




posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: Peeple

Again, another person that simply cannot disallow the physics you have been taught, yet you can watch a bird sidestep physics with every wing beat. Why can't people understand that Einstein was mostly right, but the magic is in the work around such as any bird uses, which is, by the way physics. Build a null-mass generator, such as every UFO has, and you have the Einstein and Sagan turning over in their graves.



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: Peeple

Well, you are either a shill, or you will never get it.
I can't hep you.



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Observer19




Birds fly because they learned to sidestep gravity and physics


What? no. Lift and thrust. Things that don't help you in space much. Because there's no air.



Not to mention...

Airplanes!


Oh look! We have already figured out how to "sidestep gravity", right?



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: jerryznv

You went through some worthless effort to do that reply?



posted on Jan, 23 2023 @ 10:12 PM
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originally posted by: Observer19
a reply to: jerryznv

You went through some worthless effort to do that reply?



Yes!

It was supporting your theory...but now it's not for sure!

You #ed that up pretty badly!




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