Dr. McCullough - mRNA Is Transferring From Vaccinated To The Unvaccinated And Seems To Be Permanent

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Kenzo

The mRNA can change DNA

I will look at your links (probably later today, as I am getting tired), but I have a problem with the idea that mRNA can reverse transpose DNA. Here is why:

Right now, inside every cell in your entire body, there is mRNA being used to build proteins. That has been going on every second of every day of every year since you were conceived, and it will continue to go on for every second of every day of every year until the day you die (and for some cells, a few hours afterwards). That's how life maintains itself.

The mRNA in the vaccines is no different in structure from the mRNA naturally occurring inside your cells. the difference is only in the "instructions"... the structure that identifies it as mRNA is the same. If it were not, it couldn't produce a protein. Think of it like a .jpg file... all .jpg files contain information in a specific format that your computer can use to present a picture on your screen, but what that picture is can vary from file to file. The instructions are the information in the file that make up the picture; the structure is the way all .jpg files organize that information. One cannot open a .jpg file like a .exe file... it will just crash your machine.

If the vaccine mRNA can reverse transpose into the DNA, then all mRNA can reverse transpose into DNA... and that means you could have blond hair this week, red hair next week, go bald for a month, and suddenly start growing brown hair. That simply does not happen, because the encoding for hair is a part of the DNA and does not get changed.

Like I said, I will look at the links and will even keep an open mind. But I need to see a lot of evidence because it simply does not match up with the processes going on. If reverse transcription is happening, it will rewrite the biochemistry books.

TheRedneck

Looks up the history of Moderna. Their whole purpose was to investigate how to reverse transcribe mRNA to DNA previous to "inventing" their vaxx. They also have a patent from 2016 that matches a 19 nucleotide sequence from coronavirus for which exists no where else in nature.

I don't think you're seeing the full picture here. If you're waiting for a silver platter study to answer all your questions it's not going to happen since big pharma controls the funding for that.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I recently watched a video on Youtube about CRISPR and CAS9...

in this particular one, some globalist shrew at the WEF forum was extolling the exciting technology around CRISPR and asking people to imagine technology that could alter DNA for different reasons, making your most likely brown eyed child have blue eyes, changing a boy to a girl, etc. CRISPR CAS9 by itself is fascinating, but when the WEF starts talking about it, my ears perk up. They tell us ahead of time what they are planning, I suspect this is one of those things. The technology already exists, and the vaccines have already been shown in one study to reverse transcribe in HUH-7 liver cells.

www.mdpi.com...

Abstract:

Preclinical studies of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2, developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, showed reversible hepatic effects in animals that received the BNT162b2 injection. Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells. In this study, we investigated the effect of BNT162b2 on the human liver cell line Huh7 in vitro. Huh7 cells were exposed to BNT162b2, and quantitative PCR was performed on RNA extracted from the cells. We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase. Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.

Conclusions
Our study is the first in vitro study on the effect of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 on human liver cell line. We present evidence on fast entry of BNT162b2 into the cells and subsequent intracellular reverse transcription of BNT162b2 mRNA into DNA.

The scariest part about this particular paper is that the cell line, HUH-7, is/are tumorigenic.

Tumorigenesis is the gain of malignant properties in normal cells, including primarily dedifferentiation, fast proliferation, metastasis, evasion of apoptosis and immunosurveillance, dysregulated metabolism and epigenetics, etc., which have been generalized as the hallmarks of cancer.

So the Mrna from the vaxx is potentially reverse transcribing itself into pre cancerous cells in the liver.

a reply to: Kenzo

Yes it can and is doing it right now, beside all the side effects people are experiencing and seen it on their loves ones, I am one of those that have seen the darn side effects on friends and loves ones that took the crap.

But the fact checkers around are going to argue that is lies, that is not possible, their only links to that is the one that pharma is giving along with CDC and factious Fauci.

Yep if they say is not true that is all you need to know and if you post the opposite they will be "officially" Fact check

a reply to: marg6043

Yes, and not only the DNA effect, the mRNA jabs are weapon with really horrible potential effects ..


The COVID Jabs’ Mechanisms of Injury: Sudden Death, Blood Cloths, Human Mad Cow and Autoimmune Diseases

Investigatin g the Mechanisms of Long-Haul COVID A Special Interview With Stephanie Seneff, Ph.D. By Dr. Joseph Mercola


Sorry to hear you had to watch side effects on friends and loves ones, this is horror show

a reply to: Kenzo

Science can be manipulated, at least in the public mind. As long as the scientific method is followed, however, science cannot be manipulated in the lab. That is the importance of the scientific method.

The "impossibility" of mRNA reverse transcription does not come from the mRNA vaccine research; it is a long-standing understanding of how the cellular mechanisms work. That's what my description above is intended to convey; this is how cells work, based on everything we know, and they cannot work otherwise. mRNA research built on that knowledge; it did not create the knowledge itself.

That said, I did agree to look at the links, simply because of the scientific method. That demands that any information be considered, especially if it indicates something that present understanding says cannot be. Sometimes that consideration takes all of 5 seconds to dismiss the claim, as in the "magnetic arms" idea (that was so patently ridiculous and violated so many well-established laws of physics it could be immediately thrown out); sometimes it requires a little more time. In the end, most of these considerations are dismissed, but every once in a while something comes along to change what we thought we knew to what we should have known.

The reverse transcription theory violates pretty much everything we "know" today about DNA. If it is true, then we have to discard decades of research, not just into mRNA, but into cellular functions, and start all over again. So you'll forgive me some for being skeptical.

But I will look at the links now.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Kenzo

Science can be manipulated, at least in the public mind. As long as the scientific method is followed, however, science cannot be manipulated in the lab. That is the importance of the scientific method.

The "impossibility" of mRNA reverse transcription does not come from the mRNA vaccine research; it is a long-standing understanding of how the cellular mechanisms work. That's what my description above is intended to convey; this is how cells work, based on everything we know, and they cannot work otherwise. mRNA research built on that knowledge; it did not create the knowledge itself.

That said, I did agree to look at the links, simply because of the scientific method. That demands that any information be considered, especially if it indicates something that present understanding says cannot be. Sometimes that consideration takes all of 5 seconds to dismiss the claim, as in the "magnetic arms" idea (that was so patently ridiculous and violated so many well-established laws of physics it could be immediately thrown out); sometimes it requires a little more time. In the end, most of these considerations are dismissed, but every once in a while something comes along to change what we thought we knew to what we should have known.

The reverse transcription theory violates pretty much everything we "know" today about DNA. If it is true, then we have to discard decades of research, not just into mRNA, but into cellular functions, and start all over again. So you'll forgive me some for being skeptical.

But I will look at the links now.

TheRedneck

It actually doesn't, retroviruses like HIV do it all the time. Reverse transcription was the whole purpose of what Moderna was originally founded on. Also they don't use normal uridine in the vaxx mrna, they use pseudouridine allowing for the mrna to persist much long than it naturally would.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I don't think you're seeing the full picture here.

You're right; I am not. On this point, I only care about one simple thing: can mRNA reverse trasnscribe to change DNA?

Moderna's profit margin, history of honesty or lack thereof, who owns Moderna, who owns Pfizer, what someone from Moderna said... all that is immaterial to the question before me: is it possible for mRNA to reverse transcribe DNA?

If you're waiting for a silver platter study to answer all your questions it's not going to happen since big pharma controls the funding for that.

That, sir, is an excuse. "The truth has been hidden so it can never be revealed. We have to operate on emotions." I reject that out of hand. Scientific papers can be found if one knows where to look, and they will contain more truth, even if their conclusions are inappropriate, than that excuse.

I am interested in what science shows, not what anyone's opinion on Moderna is.

TheRedneck

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

mRNA is destroyed by the mitochondrial process of creating a protein.

You're not helping your case.

Let me look into the science. That might help your case.

TheRedneck

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I opened the paper and right at the top right hand corner, in bold letters, is HYPOTHESIS. So, with that I'll wait for more actual studies to be performed that may or may not prove this hypothesis as fact or fiction.

a reply to: Kenzo

As promised, I reviewed your links. The first one is an opinion from Twitter... useless to me. To quote Chief Bogo in Zootopia, "I don't care."

The second is an actual paper published in MDPI. I read through the methodology. The author used HUH-7 cells in their experiments.

HUH-7 is a cell line composed of human liver cancer cells.

The paper is quite important: it shows that these cancer cells are reverse-transcribing mRNA molecules. That is a bit of a breakthrough in cancer research; we know that cancerous cells, unlike normal cells which grow, divide, and eventually die, do not die when they are supposed to. This is what causes cancers to grow out of control. Most present research is devoted to trying to understand how and why these cells do not respond to the normal biological markers that regulate cell growth and decay.

My personal theory has been that cancer cells suffer from a lack of telomeres as they reproduce (each DNA reproduction removes one telomere from the end of the DNA helix) without telomerase sufficient to replace them. This contaminates the DNA sequences and somehow causes the DNA to malfunction. Now, however, this paper may shed some light on how this malfunction occurs.

If reverse-transcription of mRNA is occurring, it is quite possible that the mRNA normally present in cellular function is being reverse-transcribed back into the DNA. This would lead to the DNA malfunctioning, as an endless feedback loop is established: the DNA encodes mRNA, some of which is then reverse-transcribed back into the DNA. There is no reason to believe the reverse transcription occurs at the same point the original transcription occurred... especially since with the mRNA in the vaccine, there is no original transcription point. This could lead to major breakthroughs in fighting cancer.

But... and this is the important part of this thread... operation in the HUH-7 cells does not indicate operation in other cells. The very definition of a HUH-7 cell is that it has malfunctioning DNA.

Now, I do believe this information could easily lead to the concern that use of the mRNA vaccines might tend to affect any HUH-7 cells that already exist in the liver of the patient. We might see a surge in liver cancer due to the widespread use of the vaccine. But I cannot see applicability to this discussion beyond that.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck

The paper is quite important: it shows that these cancer cells are reverse-transcribing mRNA molecules. That is a bit of a breakthrough in cancer research;
TheRedneck

I remember there has been some big discussions that mRNA could lead to the cure for cancer...

a reply to: Xtrozero

And I had wondered why. In normal cells, mRNA only creates proteins. In cancer cells, the right mRNA could reverse-transcribe into the DNA to "fix" any issues... or at least to cause the cancer cells to die off.

That just closed a question I had been having. Apparently my knowledge was a bit behind the times on cancer cures.

I do recall attending an exhibition that my alma mater held. One of the exhibits was concerning mapping the sequences in the various types of cancerous cells. I didn't follow all of the information at the time (I'm electronic and control, not medical) but it all makes perfect sense to me now.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Kenzo

First was the blood clots, right after several people I know had them in the legs, my sister-in-law was one of them, both legs she had to get emergency surgery to remove them.

Thankfully she did not lost her legs, but I know also people that did.

Also, the neurological issues, yes I also know people that experience neurological damage after the jabs.

My daughter experienced the menstrual bleeding the next day after the first jab.

My son is now on blood pressure pills, he is a fit and healthy male very active in his 30s, he had the myocarditis, after the jab, this used to be a rare disease in young fit adults, now is becoming an epidemic in children and young adults.

And for the fact checker around even the CDC have it in their page.

www.cdc.gov...

No longer a rarety.

Two friends I know are suffering from another side effect tiny blood clots in their brain, both had to be hospitalized and it can cause brain damage if no treated in time.

I bet we can make a list of anybody that knows a family member or close friends with side effects after the covid jabs, is a reality and this is something fact checkers can not cover up.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Actually if you research in the humble beginnings of the technology that was the intended purpose of it, but it was taking too long, seems the test were inconclusive or something along the lines, this technology to target specific cancer tumors has been around since the 60s, but it was not working as expected.

The excuse they use is that if the technology was used in human test they should know if it was a problem by now, but they forgot to tell that the cancer subjects were terminal, you can not get side effects when the test subjects ended dying from cancer anyway.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

mRNA is destroyed by the mitochondrial process of creating a protein.

You're not helping your case.

Let me look into the science. That might help your case.

TheRedneck

Its actually not, it persists longer because it's not regular mRNA.

originally posted by: marg6043

The excuse they use is that if the technology was used in human test they should know if it was a problem by now, but they forgot to tell that the cancer subjects were terminal, you can not get side effects when the test subjects ended dying from cancer anyway.

So with the COVID vaccine the issues are basically due to the protein being spiked and that is kind of the same thing with the virus too. In cancer it would not be spike protein. The first vaccines with mRNA was actually back in 2012, so it is not as experimental as people suggest.

a reply to: marg6043

So someone like you list all this and I know of no one with any issues at all, kind of strange. I know of no one at my company too that took any time off from the side effects of the vaccine or had issues later on. Not sure how to compare the two...

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

So it's "super-mRNA"?

Is that like "super-thermite"?

Marg above has made some good points that there is science to back up. I do believe this vaccine can be dangerous. I just do not believe it is altering DNA. There is no credible research (that I have seen) to indicate this.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: marg6043

The excuse they use is that if the technology was used in human test they should know if it was a problem by now, but they forgot to tell that the cancer subjects were terminal, you can not get side effects when the test subjects ended dying from cancer anyway.

So with the COVID vaccine the issues are basically due to the protein being spiked and that is kind of the same thing with the virus too. In cancer it would not be spike protein. The first vaccines with mRNA was actually back in 2012, so it is not as experimental as people suggest.

And its still experimental, and no one really knows what's in it besides people who analyzed under the microscope to some degree and nurses who were told some details including how some batches cause cancer:

rumble.com...

a reply to: TheRedneck

Sadly, the test time for the type of mRna used in the injections, will not yield the results of the full blow side effects up to 5 years after the injections been administered.

We are just starting.

Plus when it comes to the DNA we are yet to see the full impact, lets no forget the offpring of the women that took the jab.