There is something seriously wrong with Canada

Hello ATS,

I bring you news of a very disturbing story coming from Canada. It's not only Canada but I will be focusing on the great white north in this post.

Please read this article from Canadian Paediatric Society. Here.

Once you've read this horrendous document please read what I write below.

From the site "Canadian health care professionals are increasingly being approached by the parents of ‘never-competent’ infants and children, including those too young to make a reasoned decision, and by youth themselves, to discuss MAID-related issues. Results from a Canadian Paediatric Surveillance Program (CPSP) survey"

Take note of this part "and by youth themselves, to discuss MAID-related issues". What is MAID? "Now that ‘physician-assisted death’ has been expanded in Canada to include participation by nurse practitioners, the term Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) is used.

So what is a youth? "Minors aged 14 years or older may independently consent to some forms of medical care or treatment in Quebec."

Nobody in Canada has a problem with this?

a reply to: litterbaux

Lot of people do, problem is baby castro doesnt care, and most of the rest of the ruling party doesnt care.

They are a hairs breath away from a totalitarian society I will be stunned if baby castro allows another election.

This issue has popped up due to a recent case in Ottowa of a disabled man that was denied housing and gave him the option of being homeless with bad care or Medical assisted death. Someone started a go fund me and raised enough so he can get private care rent and food. EIther way, I was reading how it can be used to remove the elderly from the financial burden of government paying their healthcare. (I know, cold) but this is new. This is what happens under a socialist dictatorship. a reply to: litterbaux

a reply to: litterbaux

I usually don't reply to myself as it's in bad behavior but I had to add this.

From the source, "Ensure that a request for MAID is made in writing and that the document is witnessed, signed and dated after a person has been diagnosed with and informed by a practitioner as having a grievous and irremediable medical condition."

Isn't Ontario, Canada the place where if you refuse the jab you are considered mentally ill?

a reply to: Irishhaf

Lol baby Castro. This is one of those things that won't get much media coverage, it will just be eugenics doing it's thing. It's going to work, the silent killer of 14 year olds that feel awkward like everyone does at age 14.

a reply to: 20Eyes1974

I wonder how much of what was donated to help this poor fellow will be confiscated by the government.

After looking after one dying of cancer, it is a slow nasty way to go. I can understand if someone wants to hit the exit button early than getting dragged through the latter stages of it.

If there is some kid with a painful and terminal condition, ultimately is is their decision in how to proceed. I would consult with the parents and work towards a common approach among the family unit as they are all affected and have to live with the consequences of it.

If for some reason the family is too divided, like one is having trouble accepting the situation and is caught in denial, what is a doctor suppose to do? It is a tough situation for all involved. Having an open discussion among all involved is important in understanding the situation and expressing all the concerns.

So where would you draw the line when the medical community can see this kid is stuffed, the kid knows they are stuffed, some of the family knows the kid is stuffed while others in the family do not want to let that hope go?

Good question. I hope they didnt take much if any. As far as I know he raised 60k at the time i saw the news story. He would have ended it if it didnt happen. sad. If a child is brain dead or just "stuffed" as said above, i would agree its a viable option, but to just deny someone care and housing to say, just end it, is crazy. a reply to: incoserv

a reply to: kwakakev

After what happened to a candian vet, I seriously doubt they will limit it to people in serious conditions.

He called a hot line seeking help they offered assisted suicide.

There is something seriously wrong in canada right now.

Sadly you good folks can't watch this video.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Irishhaf

He called a hot line seeking help they offered assisted suicide.

That's cold. It is easy to see there is a depopulation going on with the way covid is playing out. Sounds like it is going next level with help lines handing out this advice.

As for whats wrong with Canada, Trudeo holding power when only getting around 15% of the vote is a start.

originally posted by: kwakakev
After looking after one dying of cancer, it is a slow nasty way to go. I can understand if someone wants to hit the exit button early than getting dragged through the latter stages of it.

If there is some kid with a painful and terminal condition, ultimately is is their decision in how to proceed. I would consult with the parents and work towards a common approach among the family unit as they are all affected and have to live with the consequences of it.

If for some reason the family is too divided, like one is having trouble accepting the situation and is caught in denial, what is a doctor suppose to do? It is a tough situation for all involved. Having an open discussion among all involved is important in understanding the situation and expressing all the concerns.

So where would you draw the line when the medical community can see this kid is stuffed, the kid knows they are stuffed, some of the family knows the kid is stuffed while others in the family do not want to let that hope go?

Moral of this story is: Let and Let live.

a reply to: kwakakev

I'm conflicted. I see both points of view.

The thing is, a 14 year old should not be able to make this decision. You used the example that a person is terminally ill, but illness is now so conflated to things like mental illness. I'm certain you were 14 at one point and had a break up with your high school girlfriend. Probably really crappy at the time, even probably puts you on the spectrum of deppression. 20 years later you dont even think about it.

I guess I was brought up that you fight till the end. Everything is trying to kill you but you fight. You don't give up. Even the sun kills you, the thing that makes this world exist in the first place.

a reply to: litterbaux

These kind of situations with kids are ones no reasonable person wants to face. Unfortunately the reality is not that simple, thankfully it is rare. By the age of 14, most know what life and death is about.

Assisted suicide was recently just passed here in this state. It does require diagnosis of a terminal illness, mental health issues won't cut it.

Being conflicted about such a topic is a good thing, it is a hard one. Openness, transparency and taking each case on its own merits looks like the best path through. When we cannot be honest about such things it does raise a lot of red flags.

As for myself, I would like the option if my body was to gradually fall apart. I don't know if I would use it, but as one way to turn that pain off, it works.

a reply to: kwakakev

You didn't reply to this post as a quitter. You replied to this post because you are a fighter.

We need more people like you in the world. Fight like hell or die trying.

I feel a bit timid here, because I am just a neighbor kid from the US.

If I am out of line or out of place please feel free to alert me... but

This appears to me to be a way to codify minors making medical decision without consent of their parents.

Aren't "Mature minors" the most likely to engage in life altering elective surgery? No not abortions. I mean "therapies" now marketed for people who yearn for "not this - the other" type surgeries.

The law is the only thing keeping the practice from becoming a sidewalk industry.

I'm wanting to apologize because I know that people have needed the availability of assisted suicide for many horrific circumstances. It is not that to which I refer. I mean no disrespect or insensitivity.

I know it's not germane to the bill explicitly (or even implicitly) ... But this could act as a legal/precedential wedge to make it more acceptable to even enter the discussion about early-adolescents engaging in this growing trend on (presumably) their own "authority." A trend which they seem to want to engender - or at least one they aren't resisting at all.

I don't know... it seems to me that making this "mature minor" status based on a good thing - can be perverted terribly. Mature minors sounds to me like a euphemism for "easily exploitable" status.

Maybe I don't understand the bill entirely - the architects are good at word crafting.

a reply to: Maxmars

I don't think you need to apologize sir/madam.

This is what everyone should be thinking about this. As stated above, I understand if you're at end of life and just want to check out, then okay. Leaving this decision to minors is wrong. If they can make this decsion, why not let them smoke tobacco or drink alchohol? Why can't they join the military service?

Those decisions are not allowed but taking your life is? What world are we living in?

originally posted by: 20Eyes1974
Good question. I hope they didnt take much if any. As far as I know he raised 60k at the time i saw the news story. He would have ended it if it didnt happen. sad. If a child is brain dead or just "stuffed" as said above, i would agree its a viable option, but to just deny someone care and housing to say, just end it, is crazy. a reply to: incoserv

Nazi Germany comes to mind. Auschwitz was full of the 'infirm'.

a reply to: litterbaux

The policies implemented today are the groundwork for what's coming. This toxic garbage isn't lethal yet but 10 years from now it's tanglefoot.

a reply to: litterbaux

If they can make this decsion, why not let them smoke tobacco or drink alchohol? Why can't they join the military service?

I know some people who started drinking and smoking at 12. With Military cadets, you can start learning how to march and shot at that age.

As for why it is up to them, they are the one that has to live and die with such a condition that the option of a quick death is a reasonable choice.