The Repackaged Illness

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Narvasis
Kind of like how Big Pharma would never just tweak and relabel a drug to keep patents on it to make money right? Then “every” medical professional in the world prescribes that drug. These things just don’t happen! Or wait…

a reply to: ScepticScot

And the healthcare systems & medical researchers around the world just went along with it because?

Don't pretend you are retarded by ignoring the issue with the PCR tests.
The entire basis for the fake pandemic was the tests.
The cdc stated the tests cannot differentiate between covid and influenza.
...which stopped being reported on and tested for at the beginning.

There are countless examples of doctors being threatened with licensing removal for not supporting the top down narrative.
Very ignorant or dishonest statement you just made there, with zero "skeptical" analysis.

This had been covered multiple times before on this site.

It didn't distinguish between covid and flu because it only detected covid.

It was replaced with a test that could test for both.

Sceptical about ridiculous unsupported claims of flu being relabelled as covid that don't stand up to a moments scrutiny.

It didn't distinguish

Don't try and play word games with me bud.

The stated term was "differentiate"

"the tests are unable to differentiate"

more dishonesty

As I said already covered before and you aren't any less wrong with the passage of time . So unless you gave New evidence to support your claim I see no reason to cover old ground.

The "old" evidence is good enough.
Talking in circles doesn't change the fact that the cdc recommended ending the pcr test entering flu season because it is unable to differentiate between covid and influenza.
But bless your future fact-checker little heart

Also unable to detect flu.

So post your source, I don't trust you

Sorry to read about your loss, you have my best wishes Jefe. Regarding your brother, everyone expresses grief differently. Be kind to one another.

a reply to: JefeFeesh

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Narvasis
Kind of like how Big Pharma would never just tweak and relabel a drug to keep patents on it to make money right? Then “every” medical professional in the world prescribes that drug. These things just don’t happen! Or wait…

a reply to: ScepticScot

And the healthcare systems & medical researchers around the world just went along with it because?

DERP! They got paid. Bigley.

Really. All of them?
Know a few people in the medical. Research and hands on. Can't say many are driving Bentleys yet.

You'd think that I'd be in line for a bribe by now, but nobody seems interested.

Judging from the number of used Honda and Nissan in the parking lot no one else is getting bribed either.

So, who is getting all of this money, and why isn't it me?

You should have negotiated your current salary better.

Alternatively, your not worth bribing or someone else is being paid to pull the wool over your eyes and lead you around by the nose.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: ketsuko

This is actually pretty easy, it's pretty much epidemiology 101.

Take a look at the curve for British infections in my signature (Specifically chosen because it's free from US politics). Take the different dates for the different lockdown states, and then factor in that there is normally a 7-10 day lag from first infection.

You'll see that Covid in the UK peaked and declined at key dates. In particular there was a spike just after Christmas in 2020 and 2021. Which was when people traveled the most and socially distanced the least.

If you look at the US, you'll see that rates peaked in the winter in the northern states when people went inside to stay warm, yet peaked in the southern states in the summer when people went inside to keep cool.

Thus demonstrating that proximity and duration are key vectors.

Unless you post the link and the quote the appropriate paragraph or paragraphs you can't expect others to look at your signatures. In the past one of your link that you have posted was actually refuting your claims as far as I remember.

In your last statement you forget to include that transmission and infection in open outside places is minimal. Your conclusion is wrong. Only indoor transmission happens quite a lot.

You seem to have a strange understanding of infectious diseases. There is nothing in the scientific literature that supports transmission in open outdoor places such as the parks, the beaches, and everything else.

The disappearance of flu in the Covid era is an unsubstantiated claim which is part of the narrative that all of us reject.

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Narvasis
Kind of like how Big Pharma would never just tweak and relabel a drug to keep patents on it to make money right? Then “every” medical professional in the world prescribes that drug. These things just don’t happen! Or wait…

a reply to: ScepticScot

And the healthcare systems & medical researchers around the world just went along with it because?

Don't pretend you are retarded by ignoring the issue with the PCR tests.
The entire basis for the fake pandemic was the tests.
The cdc stated the tests cannot differentiate between covid and influenza.
...which stopped being reported on and tested for at the beginning.

There are countless examples of doctors being threatened with licensing removal for not supporting the top down narrative.
Very ignorant or dishonest statement you just made there, with zero "skeptical" analysis.

This had been covered multiple times before on this site.

It didn't distinguish between covid and flu because it only detected covid.

It was replaced with a test that could test for both.

Sceptical about ridiculous unsupported claims of flu being relabelled as covid that don't stand up to a moments scrutiny.

It didn't distinguish

Don't try and play word games with me bud.

The stated term was "differentiate"

"the tests are unable to differentiate"

more dishonesty

As I said already covered before and you aren't any less wrong with the passage of time . So unless you gave New evidence to support your claim I see no reason to cover old ground.

The "old" evidence is good enough.
Talking in circles doesn't change the fact that the cdc recommended ending the pcr test entering flu season because it is unable to differentiate between covid and influenza.
But bless your future fact-checker little heart

Also unable to detect flu.

So post your source, I don't trust you

www.nebraskamed.com...

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

It's obvius you don't grasp the big picture here.

Flu activity was unusually low throughout the 2020-2021 flu season both in the United States and globally, despite high levels of testing. During September 28, 2020–May 22, 2021 in the United States, 1,675 (0.2%) of 818,939 respiratory specimens tested by U.S. clinical laboratories were positive for an influenza virus. The low level of flu activity during this past season contributed to dramatically fewer flu illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths compared with previous flu seasons. For comparison, during the last three seasons before the pandemic, the proportion of respiratory specimens testing positive for influenza peaked between 26.2% and 30.3%

www.cdc.gov...

The flu was almost gone. sure it had the same symptoms as Covid for the most part, and sure as noted above, hospitals were paid well for how many Covid cases they reported.

And the reason given is that with our mitigation techniques, we beat the flu. Mitigation that wasn't followed very well at all. But just the idea of it seemed to scare the flu away. At least while Covid was raging. (Fauci says it's still raging) But since he's on the outs, his word isn't as Godly as it was.

My answer covered this.

Flu does not spread as much as covid. The same measures could imoact overall cases to vastly different levels

Because obsessively covering yourself in hand sanitizer and staying 50 feet from the next nearest individual would have absolute no impact on the flu whatsoever?

I don't know about you but that entire year I didn't set foot in a single aircraft, train or subway car. And we all know what disease infestation hovels at least two of those are.

I used to work from home about 25% of the time

It's now almost a 100%.

As worked in the city center, between commuting and office time, my physical exposure to other human being has probably decreased by a factor a 1000.

I am by no means unique in this.

Can't think why that would impact on spread of flu. Must be a conspiracy.

17.9% of people in the US work from home. I wonder where the other 82.1% work?
www.census.gov...

First line in your link.

Between 2019 and 2021, the number of people primarily working from home tripled from 5.7% (roughly 9 million people) to 17.9% (27.6 million people)

Yes, there are many words in the article. Which one's change the numbers I quoted?

It shows a massive increase in homeworking over the period.

Might be relevant.

Yes, a small number of people increased by 1/3. There are 330 million of us over here. This ain't little old Scotland.

It's a sizable increase in % of people working primarily from home.

It also doesn't cover the greater increases during peak covid periods or that its only 1 part of the measures that would have impacted on the spread of covid and flu.

People having less physicaly close interaction is going to impact in the spread of viruses. That doesn't seem a particularly radical statement.

it it was beneficial to your narrative to argue that they sky was actually green, I have no doubt you would spend as many pages arguing for the green sky as others would engage. You are effective at having staying power. But you are arguing something more ludicrous than that here. During Covid, the flu went away, because of the super amazing job everyone did as masking and distancing. Now that covid is over, (remember Fauci claims it isn't) the Flu is back.

I doubt I could get you to change your stance as the narrative is pretty well burned into you by now, so for this topic, I'll concede, the flu can be totally controlled by simple measures, and Covid cannot, but to fight covid we still need to use the measures that don't work, and the Flu will come back with numbers very similar to the Covid numbers, and none of that is odd. Congrats, your superior wisdom convinced me.

That isn't the argument at all.

When strict measures where introduced to stop the spread of covid they also reduced the spread of other viruses.

Arguing that the having less close contact wouldn't impact on the spread of viruses is the green sky argument.

again, bravo for the staying power. I'm a conspiracy nut. Sometimes I am told things and I just don't believe them due to my thought process. Like when I'm told that because we washed our hands, wore t-shirts over our faces, and distanced 6 feet (which again, was admitted to be based on garbage) the flu almost totally disappeared, yet Covid raged on. The symptoms for both are remarkably similar. And to find that in a fairly large country like Australia, they had less than 500 reported cased in a season, well, the nutty side of me just thinks that sounds off. But if I was a toe sucking boot licker, I'd likely gobble that up like pecker snot. Sorry for not buying what you are selling. It's not for lack of effort, you just can only package that turd a few ways to make it palatable.

a reply to: network dude

I'm a conspiracy nut. Sometimes I am told things and I just don't believe them due to my thought process.

At least your honest.

I prefer reality myself, but how boring would it be if we all thought alike.

a reply to: ScepticScot

The reality is that the Covid-19 numbers mirrored the Flu numbers for that one year and the Flu numbers were Zero for that one year.

That is the reality , It's right there in black and white plain to see .

Yes our cloth mask and hand washing reduced the FLU to zero and Covid-19 magically took it's place , Mate how thick are you really ?

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ScepticScot

The reality is that the Covid-19 numbers mirrored the Flu numbers for that one year and the Flu numbers were Zero for that one year.

That is the reality , It's right there in black and white plain to see .

Yes our cloth mask and hand washing reduced the FLU to zero and Covid-19 magically took it's place , Mate how thick are you really ?

Look at the numbers for 2020 in the OP again.

Think about it for a minute.

Consider if you are you are really in a position to be calling others thick.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ScepticScot

The reality is that the Covid-19 numbers mirrored the Flu numbers for that one year and the Flu numbers were Zero for that one year.

That is the reality , It's right there in black and white plain to see .

Yes our cloth mask and hand washing reduced the FLU to zero and Covid-19 magically took it's place , Mate how thick are you really ?

Look at the numbers for 2020 in the OP again.

Think about it for a minute.

Consider if you are you are really in a position to be calling others thick.

please enlighten me , I'm begging you make it all make sense.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ScepticScot

The reality is that the Covid-19 numbers mirrored the Flu numbers for that one year and the Flu numbers were Zero for that one year.

That is the reality , It's right there in black and white plain to see .

Yes our cloth mask and hand washing reduced the FLU to zero and Covid-19 magically took it's place , Mate how thick are you really ?

Look at the numbers for 2020 in the OP again.

Think about it for a minute.

Consider if you are you are really in a position to be calling others thick.

please enlighten me , I'm begging you make it all make sense.

0 covid cases in 2020?

Now maybe they are using end of flu season as the year in which case the covid numbers do not seem to make sense.

Then there is the 0.015 flu cases in 2021 (notice they drop the million to make it look smaller.

However that switches from estimated cases on previous years to lab confirmed cases.

It's almost like the numbers are presentated in a way to be deliberately misleading.

a reply to: ScepticScot

just check the CDC numbers mate .

for the most part they corroborate the OP's chart.

The FLU numbers from 2019 to 2021 took a sharp drop off and the Covid-19 numbers picked up the slack .

And be up to jabbed with the .... my my

a reply to: network dude

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ScepticScot

just check the CDC numbers mate .

for the most part they corroborate the OP's chart.

The FLU numbers from 2019 to 2021 took a sharp drop off and the Covid-19 numbers picked up the slack .

Didn't deny flu numbers reduced drastically. It would have been more surprising if they didn't.

That doesn't change that the figures in the OP are highly misleading and that the covid is really flu theory is one of the most stupid of all the covid conspiracy theories.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I'd imagine if we insisted on mass testing for flu the numbers would be ever higher than Covid.

You know they intentionally inflated the figures to justify the pandemic response, you're just too conceited to admit it!

We know your game.

Soon, you'll vanish from this forum as the truth becomes undeniable. Personally i can't wait.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ScepticScot

just check the CDC numbers mate .

for the most part they corroborate the OP's chart.

The FLU numbers from 2019 to 2021 took a sharp drop off and the Covid-19 numbers picked up the slack .

Didn't deny flu numbers reduced drastically. It would have been more surprising if they didn't.

That doesn't change that the figures in the OP are highly misleading and that the covid is really flu theory is one of the most stupid of all the covid conspiracy theories.

The theory from some is that the Flu disappeared and that seems really strange knowing at the beginning, everything was covid even without a test. At this stage it's data gathering and trying to comprehend if what is reported is possible, or bullsh!t.

But I am curious as to why you feel flu numbers would have had to go down. Please explain that.

If we are to believe the words of the inventor of PCR testing, then it would have been very easy to make everyone who stuck a swab in their nose be a positive covid case, when they may very well may have had the flu, or a common cold, or RSV for that matter:

“Anyone can test positive for practically anything with a PCR test, if you run it long enough with PCR if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody. It doesn’t tell you that you’re sick.”

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Not only that but they're expecting us to believe that two disease with identical methods of transmission had very different outcomes of control measures designed to eliminate the one that did not disappear while not really designed to impact the one that did.

Furthermore, the idea that COVID managed to spread itself while we all shopped big box cattle calls because mom and pop were too dangerous to our health but the flu, mysteriously, did not even though they both *have identical means of transmission* is just too much to swallow.

Did the resulting changes have anything to do with the covid tests that were blasting out false positives for ALL sick people? The percentage was so high that they had to change the testers.

Key players in influenza A virus (IAV)-induced lung injury. While upper respiratory tract infection results in mild symptomatic IAV infection, severe cases of IAV usually involve spread of the virus to the lower respiratory tract.

One of the key issues with covid was respiratory tract problems for those that had anything more than a mild version of it.

I talked to people who tested positive, at the height of the illness they could feel it in their lungs, some had a hard time breathing at times, mimicking other illnesses with those exact same symptoms.
What was there to stop people that caught the very common bronchitis or A version of the flu from testing positive?

Let's see the numbers as reported by the CDC for the flu season 2020/21

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