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posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ScepticScot

just check the CDC numbers mate .

for the most part they corroborate the OP's chart.

The FLU numbers from 2019 to 2021 took a sharp drop off and the Covid-19 numbers picked up the slack .


Didn't deny flu numbers reduced drastically. It would have been more surprising if they didn't.

That doesn't change that the figures in the OP are highly misleading and that the covid is really flu theory is one of the most stupid of all the covid conspiracy theories.


The theory from some is that the Flu disappeared and that seems really strange knowing at the beginning, everything was covid even without a test. At this stage it's data gathering and trying to comprehend if what is reported is possible, or bullsh!t.

But I am curious as to why you feel flu numbers would have had to go down. Please explain that.


Reasons already given.

The whole range of measures to reduce the spread of covid would have an impact on the spread of other viruses as well.


That's not believable and especially when the reduction in cases is massive. In the year 2020/21 there were 1,657 confirmed cases. If you want to increase this number and make an estimate it will still be in their thousands. This is extremely low and the CDC describes it as 'unusually low'. That is down from an average of 39.67 million estimated cases in the last 3 years.

The percentage decrease in the summer of flu cases is over 99.99% and the cheap masks together with the social distancing cannot achieve such results unless someone is naive or stupid to believe such claims.


See post above.

While there is a dramatic decline you are comparing two different figures.


then you provide the data. Show us where this is wrong.


This has been covered. its 2 different metrics.

See even asmodeus post, he gets it.




There is some issue here as to who gets what. The CDC provided only the number of confirmed cases for 2020/21 and not the estimated ones. I had to do the math for the estimated ones but even in this case the percentage reduction is 98.725%

Network dude said 99% and he isn't that far away.

Now if you also claim that you are a mathematics expert of an expert in biology let us know. I don't think you have any expertise in either of these two subjects


He didnt say 99% in the post I replied to and I said nothing about what the % was. So apparently I can read at least...



Scott, you have proven to be a maths person. I'm actually trying to understand this, and will likely do a lengthy thread today. But if I'm going to present your side of this, I really need to know your side with regard to the data. So if you could please confirm or deny the data presented, and state your position based on the data.



The data shows that there is a large decrease in the number of flu cases. It's not as large as the OP suggests but still a major decrease.

This data is pretty consistent across different countries that applied similar measures.

There is a logical mechanism to explain how these case numbers would be reduced by these measures.

Other viruses have also had lower case numbers over the same period.

There may well be factors involved in the decrease as well.

None of that offers any evidence that flu has been relabelled as covid.

That is a summary of my position.



I don't understand how you can make that assertion without verifiable data? You say that data is wrong, but then make a proclamation based on something, I can only assume is that same data. Or do you have better numbers?


I said the data used in the OP is wrong as its comparing two different things.

We know that the actual lab results declined massively so I am not disputing that there where less flu cases*

* unless someone can show a plausible reason why less positive results. In which case it still doesn't support the claim of this thread.


I'm not so interested in the claim of the thread, as I am to get verifiable numbers, What you don't seem to grasp is that if all this is true, we have the tools to remove the flu from our worries. And we can save millions of lives around the globe. set aside your ego for a second and think of the bigger picture.


Well I think the topic of the thread is probably relevant while on this thread.

We could end road traffic deaths by setting the speed limit at 1mph and making people wear bubbles wrap when leaving the house.

All things have an opportunity cost.



Now we are getting somewhere, you see masking as equal to being forced to drive 1 mph. A nuisance we just cannot live with.


I refer you to my answer to Zombie.

Do I think masks are appropriate as a short term measure to deal with a new virus. Absolutely.

Do I think they should be a continual norm for seasonal viruses. No.

And was your flag count a bit low this month that you have spun off this conversation into a new thread?


If you can find a way for me to transfer all my "points" to you, I will. I just think this is complete and utter bullsh!t and the best way to get others to see this for what it is, is to have it out there. Once normal folks learn this bit of obscured data, the one's who can think are going to start to question all this and the ignorant answers you have provided thus far won't cut it.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: ScepticScot

The cost of washing your hands more often is negligible, and the cost of wearing a mask is that you look a little silly.

I don't know what the cost to you of being sick in bed for a couple of days is, but it's probably more than both of the above.

Standing 2 meters away from people also has minimal cost. Certainly less than missing a couple of shifts for the average Joe.

Beyond that you need to start asking who the cost is to, and whether you're measuring young people sick in bed, or old people dead as an alternative. Or the cost to businesses.

Where I live the lockdown measures were meant to protect institutions as much as people. We only have so many critical care facilities and we needed to prevent them from being overwhelmed. So my government had to factor the cost of businesses collapsing against the cost of the critical care system collapsing, and the system won out in the end.

This was widely considered the best of two bad situations by the public here.

What was the cost to you personally?


By the way, lockdowns are the not the topic of the conversation, but they have been debunked long time ago. Only crazies believe in them and those who like the Chinese regime...

It's like arguing that you wear a cheap mask and this will have a massive impact in the reduction of SARS-CoV-2 infections and the flu.

Same as if you wear green shoes...


Again you seem confused with the difference between your opinion and facts.


I wouldn't think so.
I am quite good.

I am not the one who claims that there would be a massive reduction in flu cases when we wear cheap masks and take flu shots or stand 2 metres apart from each other as if were to maintain the same distance for 24hours a day without coming to closer proximity...

I am sure you did support the lockdowns and other restrictions but so do many other from a...left wing background. You see left wing activism isn't compatible with science.



I am saying the evidence supports that. Certainly more than flu being covid.

Yes I keep forgetting how its overwhelmingly left wing posters on this site who disagree with scientific consensus.



This doesn't change the fact that left wing activism is incompatible with science.

I don't know why you present your opinions on scientific matters as scientific consensus. When you do this then everyone else disagrees with you. It's more than obvious.

And when you argue that by wearing cheap masks and take flu shots or stand 2 metres apart could prevent significantly transmission and infection to the point is reduced by over 98.7% then you are not going to find any allies on this matter.





Well most of us are not wearing masks, getting vaccinations nor standing far apart and the children's hospitals are full. EDIT: not full, overflowing.


Covid was lest aggressive towards children. RSV on the other hand is more aggressive toward children. Are kids in the hospitals now due to covid or RSV?


Waa RSV also rebranded as Covid in 2020?



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ScepticScot

just check the CDC numbers mate .

for the most part they corroborate the OP's chart.

The FLU numbers from 2019 to 2021 took a sharp drop off and the Covid-19 numbers picked up the slack .


Didn't deny flu numbers reduced drastically. It would have been more surprising if they didn't.

That doesn't change that the figures in the OP are highly misleading and that the covid is really flu theory is one of the most stupid of all the covid conspiracy theories.


The theory from some is that the Flu disappeared and that seems really strange knowing at the beginning, everything was covid even without a test. At this stage it's data gathering and trying to comprehend if what is reported is possible, or bullsh!t.

But I am curious as to why you feel flu numbers would have had to go down. Please explain that.


Reasons already given.

The whole range of measures to reduce the spread of covid would have an impact on the spread of other viruses as well.


That's not believable and especially when the reduction in cases is massive. In the year 2020/21 there were 1,657 confirmed cases. If you want to increase this number and make an estimate it will still be in their thousands. This is extremely low and the CDC describes it as 'unusually low'. That is down from an average of 39.67 million estimated cases in the last 3 years.

The percentage decrease in the summer of flu cases is over 99.99% and the cheap masks together with the social distancing cannot achieve such results unless someone is naive or stupid to believe such claims.


See post above.

While there is a dramatic decline you are comparing two different figures.


then you provide the data. Show us where this is wrong.


This has been covered. its 2 different metrics.

See even asmodeus post, he gets it.




There is some issue here as to who gets what. The CDC provided only the number of confirmed cases for 2020/21 and not the estimated ones. I had to do the math for the estimated ones but even in this case the percentage reduction is 98.725%

Network dude said 99% and he isn't that far away.

Now if you also claim that you are a mathematics expert of an expert in biology let us know. I don't think you have any expertise in either of these two subjects


He didnt say 99% in the post I replied to and I said nothing about what the % was. So apparently I can read at least...



Scott, you have proven to be a maths person. I'm actually trying to understand this, and will likely do a lengthy thread today. But if I'm going to present your side of this, I really need to know your side with regard to the data. So if you could please confirm or deny the data presented, and state your position based on the data.



The data shows that there is a large decrease in the number of flu cases. It's not as large as the OP suggests but still a major decrease.

This data is pretty consistent across different countries that applied similar measures.

There is a logical mechanism to explain how these case numbers would be reduced by these measures.

Other viruses have also had lower case numbers over the same period.

There may well be factors involved in the decrease as well.

None of that offers any evidence that flu has been relabelled as covid.

That is a summary of my position.



I don't understand how you can make that assertion without verifiable data? You say that data is wrong, but then make a proclamation based on something, I can only assume is that same data. Or do you have better numbers?


I said the data used in the OP is wrong as its comparing two different things.

We know that the actual lab results declined massively so I am not disputing that there where less flu cases*

* unless someone can show a plausible reason why less positive results. In which case it still doesn't support the claim of this thread.


I'm not so interested in the claim of the thread, as I am to get verifiable numbers, What you don't seem to grasp is that if all this is true, we have the tools to remove the flu from our worries. And we can save millions of lives around the globe. set aside your ego for a second and think of the bigger picture.


Well I think the topic of the thread is probably relevant while on this thread.

We could end road traffic deaths by setting the speed limit at 1mph and making people wear bubbles wrap when leaving the house.

All things have an opportunity cost.



Now we are getting somewhere, you see masking as equal to being forced to drive 1 mph. A nuisance we just cannot live with.


I refer you to my answer to Zombie.

Do I think masks are appropriate as a short term measure to deal with a new virus. Absolutely.

Do I think they should be a continual norm for seasonal viruses. No.

And was your flag count a bit low this month that you have spun off this conversation into a new thread?


If you can find a way for me to transfer all my "points" to you, I will. I just think this is complete and utter bullsh!t and the best way to get others to see this for what it is, is to have it out there. Once normal folks learn this bit of obscured data, the one's who can think are going to start to question all this and the ignorant answers you have provided thus far won't cut it.


If only everyone was a super critical thinker like you.

Or maybe , like amedous, you are confusing your own incredulity with actual facts.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 11:23 AM
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Conspiracy theorists batting 1000 and deniers still DERPING about CDC and big pharma stats which are either hidden or massively manipulated.

When you lie they way they did theres no trust left. Hence why no one trusts their bs.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Again you seem confused by difference between your opinion and fact.

I am not offering my opinion as anything other than my opinion. You on the other hand gave repeatedly offered your option as 'everyone knows' or similar.

If you think majority opinion on an anonymous conspiracy site is an indication of anything then you are even more delusional.

You can keep repeating the same nonsense about what I apparently believe. The only thing it's is highlighting is your lack of understanding.







You seem to believe in matters when discussing science and this is a no-go area.

You do believe, as it seems, that by wearing cheap masks and by keeping two metres apart from each other or by taking the flu shots will have a massive impact in the amount of flu infections to the point where they are reduced by 98.7%. But that's a belief based on nothing else other than personal opinion. The CDC itself cannot explain it either.

I think even Mr Zombies understand this matter much better than you.

This is indeed an anonymous site which on occasions entertain 'conspiracy' theories. For example the theory that SARS-CoV-2 came from the lab. I think a lot now arguing the same and is no longer on the 'conspiracy' theories realm but rather than a real possibility also entertain by several scientists and the US Senate Committee.

If you think this site isn't for you or is only for conspiracy theorists then nobody keeps you here.
By the way, it seems you are engaging in one of them at the moment! As you arguing that by wearing cheap masks and other ineffective measures magically flu dissapeared...


I think thej evidence of what happened in 2020/21 supports the opinion that masks etc reduce the number of cases.

You are the one claiming these measures are ineffective without evidence.


That's your opinion which is not even shared by AaarghZombies who at least offered an explanation that there are still many unreported cases however this is not in agreement with h what that CDC said.

The CDC has been unable to explain why there is a massive reduction.

It is really absurd to argue that there is massive drop over 98.7% because of cheap masks, flu shots, and standing 2 metres apart. Nobody accept this nonsense. Only you can argue in favour of them.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: Asmodeus3

From CDC




What are possible explanations for the unusually low flu activity?
COVID-19 mitigation measures such as wearing face masks, staying home, hand washing, school closures, reduced travel, increased ventilation of indoor spaces, and physical distancing, likely contributed to the decline in 2020-2021 flu incidence, hospitalizations and deaths. Influenza vaccination may also contributed to reduced flu illness during the 2020–2021 season. Flu vaccine effectiveness estimates for 2020-2021 are not available, but a record number of influenza vaccine doses (193.8 million doses) were distributed in the U.S. during 2020-2021.


Again you are projecting your incredulity as fact.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ScepticScot

just check the CDC numbers mate .

for the most part they corroborate the OP's chart.

The FLU numbers from 2019 to 2021 took a sharp drop off and the Covid-19 numbers picked up the slack .


Didn't deny flu numbers reduced drastically. It would have been more surprising if they didn't.

That doesn't change that the figures in the OP are highly misleading and that the covid is really flu theory is one of the most stupid of all the covid conspiracy theories.


The theory from some is that the Flu disappeared and that seems really strange knowing at the beginning, everything was covid even without a test. At this stage it's data gathering and trying to comprehend if what is reported is possible, or bullsh!t.

But I am curious as to why you feel flu numbers would have had to go down. Please explain that.


Reasons already given.

The whole range of measures to reduce the spread of covid would have an impact on the spread of other viruses as well.


That's not believable and especially when the reduction in cases is massive. In the year 2020/21 there were 1,657 confirmed cases. If you want to increase this number and make an estimate it will still be in their thousands. This is extremely low and the CDC describes it as 'unusually low'. That is down from an average of 39.67 million estimated cases in the last 3 years.

The percentage decrease in the summer of flu cases is over 99.99% and the cheap masks together with the social distancing cannot achieve such results unless someone is naive or stupid to believe such claims.


See post above.

While there is a dramatic decline you are comparing two different figures.


then you provide the data. Show us where this is wrong.


This has been covered. its 2 different metrics.

See even asmodeus post, he gets it.




There is some issue here as to who gets what. The CDC provided only the number of confirmed cases for 2020/21 and not the estimated ones. I had to do the math for the estimated ones but even in this case the percentage reduction is 98.725%

Network dude said 99% and he isn't that far away.

Now if you also claim that you are a mathematics expert of an expert in biology let us know. I don't think you have any expertise in either of these two subjects


He didnt say 99% in the post I replied to and I said nothing about what the % was. So apparently I can read at least...



Scott, you have proven to be a maths person. I'm actually trying to understand this, and will likely do a lengthy thread today. But if I'm going to present your side of this, I really need to know your side with regard to the data. So if you could please confirm or deny the data presented, and state your position based on the data.



The data shows that there is a large decrease in the number of flu cases. It's not as large as the OP suggests but still a major decrease.

This data is pretty consistent across different countries that applied similar measures.

There is a logical mechanism to explain how these case numbers would be reduced by these measures.

Other viruses have also had lower case numbers over the same period.

There may well be factors involved in the decrease as well.

None of that offers any evidence that flu has been relabelled as covid.

That is a summary of my position.



I don't understand how you can make that assertion without verifiable data? You say that data is wrong, but then make a proclamation based on something, I can only assume is that same data. Or do you have better numbers?


I said the data used in the OP is wrong as its comparing two different things.

We know that the actual lab results declined massively so I am not disputing that there where less flu cases*

* unless someone can show a plausible reason why less positive results. In which case it still doesn't support the claim of this thread.


I'm not so interested in the claim of the thread, as I am to get verifiable numbers, What you don't seem to grasp is that if all this is true, we have the tools to remove the flu from our worries. And we can save millions of lives around the globe. set aside your ego for a second and think of the bigger picture.


Well I think the topic of the thread is probably relevant while on this thread.

We could end road traffic deaths by setting the speed limit at 1mph and making people wear bubbles wrap when leaving the house.

All things have an opportunity cost.



Now we are getting somewhere, you see masking as equal to being forced to drive 1 mph. A nuisance we just cannot live with.


I refer you to my answer to Zombie.

Do I think masks are appropriate as a short term measure to deal with a new virus. Absolutely.

Do I think they should be a continual norm for seasonal viruses. No.

And was your flag count a bit low this month that you have spun off this conversation into a new thread?


If you can find a way for me to transfer all my "points" to you, I will. I just think this is complete and utter bullsh!t and the best way to get others to see this for what it is, is to have it out there. Once normal folks learn this bit of obscured data, the one's who can think are going to start to question all this and the ignorant answers you have provided thus far won't cut it.


If only everyone was a super critical thinker like you.

Or maybe , like amedous, you are confusing your own incredulity with actual facts.


Personal attacks can't help your argument and you seem to be struggling to find answers exposing your position further. It's time to concede. Unless you will still want to argue that the massive drop by over 98.7% in flu cases can be explained on the basis of cheap masks, super effective flu shots that never existed until now, and standing 2 metres apart from each other.

Not even the CDC believes in this nonsense.
edit on 30-11-2022 by Asmodeus3 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
Conspiracy theorists batting 1000 and deniers still DERPING about CDC and big pharma stats which are either hidden or massively manipulated.

When you lie they way they did theres no trust left. Hence why no one trusts their bs.


You may want to look at my posts earlier.
The CDC for the year 2020/21 only has in its website the confirmed cases: 1,657 and they have failed to give an estimate of total number of cases.

In the 3 years before these estimates were around 39.67 million on average per year.

Comparing the estimated ones, I had to do on my own earlier today, I got 485,000 estimated infections accordingly for 2020/21 and as such we get a percentage reduction of 98.725%. Which some users here try to justify on the basis of cheap masks, highly effective flu shots that never existed before, and keeping 2 metres apart from each other.

This is comedy gold!
edit on 30-11-2022 by Asmodeus3 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: Asmodeus3



Personal attacks can't help your argument and you seem to be struggling to find answers exposing your position further.


You might want to read back some of your own posts and all you do is repeat same inaccurate lines over and over.



Not even the CDC believes in this nonsense.



I quoted the CDC. Maybe you could let us in on your secret insight into what they really believe.






edit on 30-11-2022 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 12:06 PM
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The medical authorities say the influenza is on it's way, big time, over the Christmas holidays. Let's wait and see before we make assumptions.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
Conspiracy theorists batting 1000 and deniers still DERPING about CDC and big pharma stats which are either hidden or massively manipulated.

When you lie they way they did theres no trust left. Hence why no one trusts their bs.


Since covid and the flu can both be caught the exact same way, surely even you must agree that the protective measures for one can help to reduce instances of the other.

Look at it this way.

If I sit in my yard with a rifle across my knee if will be an effective deterrent to looter, also have the same effect against salesmen.

You're effectively saying that the fact that there are fewer salesmen calling at my place is because the government killed them as part of a depopulation conspiracy. Not because I take a pot shot at them when they pull up at the kerb.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: Asmodeus3



Which some users here try to justify on the basis of cheap masks, highly effective flu shots that never existed before, and keeping 2 metres apart from each other.


Don't forget all of the other things, like hand washing, anybody who so much as sneezes getting a no questions asked sick day, people using public transport less, people meeting other people less socially, the whole shebang.

Plus, we all know that there isn't a 98 percent reduction. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most of the people with the flu are simply staying in bed and taking over the counter cold and flu solutions, so their flu isn't getting reported.

It's probably more like a 40 percent reduction at best, and much of that is probably simply because people aren't ridig busses or the subway while sick.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ScepticScot

just check the CDC numbers mate .

for the most part they corroborate the OP's chart.

The FLU numbers from 2019 to 2021 took a sharp drop off and the Covid-19 numbers picked up the slack .


Didn't deny flu numbers reduced drastically. It would have been more surprising if they didn't.

That doesn't change that the figures in the OP are highly misleading and that the covid is really flu theory is one of the most stupid of all the covid conspiracy theories.


The theory from some is that the Flu disappeared and that seems really strange knowing at the beginning, everything was covid even without a test. At this stage it's data gathering and trying to comprehend if what is reported is possible, or bullsh!t.

But I am curious as to why you feel flu numbers would have had to go down. Please explain that.


Reasons already given.

The whole range of measures to reduce the spread of covid would have an impact on the spread of other viruses as well.


That's not believable and especially when the reduction in cases is massive. In the year 2020/21 there were 1,657 confirmed cases. If you want to increase this number and make an estimate it will still be in their thousands. This is extremely low and the CDC describes it as 'unusually low'. That is down from an average of 39.67 million estimated cases in the last 3 years.

The percentage decrease in the summer of flu cases is over 99.99% and the cheap masks together with the social distancing cannot achieve such results unless someone is naive or stupid to believe such claims.


See post above.

While there is a dramatic decline you are comparing two different figures.


then you provide the data. Show us where this is wrong.


This has been covered. its 2 different metrics.

See even asmodeus post, he gets it.




There is some issue here as to who gets what. The CDC provided only the number of confirmed cases for 2020/21 and not the estimated ones. I had to do the math for the estimated ones but even in this case the percentage reduction is 98.725%

Network dude said 99% and he isn't that far away.

Now if you also claim that you are a mathematics expert of an expert in biology let us know. I don't think you have any expertise in either of these two subjects


He didnt say 99% in the post I replied to and I said nothing about what the % was. So apparently I can read at least...



Scott, you have proven to be a maths person. I'm actually trying to understand this, and will likely do a lengthy thread today. But if I'm going to present your side of this, I really need to know your side with regard to the data. So if you could please confirm or deny the data presented, and state your position based on the data.



The data shows that there is a large decrease in the number of flu cases. It's not as large as the OP suggests but still a major decrease.

This data is pretty consistent across different countries that applied similar measures.

There is a logical mechanism to explain how these case numbers would be reduced by these measures.

Other viruses have also had lower case numbers over the same period.

There may well be factors involved in the decrease as well.

None of that offers any evidence that flu has been relabelled as covid.

That is a summary of my position.



I don't understand how you can make that assertion without verifiable data? You say that data is wrong, but then make a proclamation based on something, I can only assume is that same data. Or do you have better numbers?


I said the data used in the OP is wrong as its comparing two different things.

We know that the actual lab results declined massively so I am not disputing that there where less flu cases*

* unless someone can show a plausible reason why less positive results. In which case it still doesn't support the claim of this thread.


I'm not so interested in the claim of the thread, as I am to get verifiable numbers, What you don't seem to grasp is that if all this is true, we have the tools to remove the flu from our worries. And we can save millions of lives around the globe. set aside your ego for a second and think of the bigger picture.


Well I think the topic of the thread is probably relevant while on this thread.

We could end road traffic deaths by setting the speed limit at 1mph and making people wear bubbles wrap when leaving the house.

All things have an opportunity cost.



Now we are getting somewhere, you see masking as equal to being forced to drive 1 mph. A nuisance we just cannot live with.


I refer you to my answer to Zombie.

Do I think masks are appropriate as a short term measure to deal with a new virus. Absolutely.

Do I think they should be a continual norm for seasonal viruses. No.

And was your flag count a bit low this month that you have spun off this conversation into a new thread?


If you can find a way for me to transfer all my "points" to you, I will. I just think this is complete and utter bullsh!t and the best way to get others to see this for what it is, is to have it out there. Once normal folks learn this bit of obscured data, the one's who can think are going to start to question all this and the ignorant answers you have provided thus far won't cut it.


If only everyone was a super critical thinker like you.

Or maybe , like amedous, you are confusing your own incredulity with actual facts.


Oh my, you are getting rather salty. Might be time to flush old girl out a bit.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3



Which some users here try to justify on the basis of cheap masks, highly effective flu shots that never existed before, and keeping 2 metres apart from each other.


Don't forget all of the other things, like hand washing, anybody who so much as sneezes getting a no questions asked sick day, people using public transport less, people meeting other people less socially, the whole shebang.

Plus, we all know that there isn't a 98 percent reduction. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most of the people with the flu are simply staying in bed and taking over the counter cold and flu solutions, so their flu isn't getting reported.

It's probably more like a 40 percent reduction at best, and much of that is probably simply because people aren't ridig busses or the subway while sick.


absolutely! Folks just seem to know the difference between Flu and Covid. everyone is a expert at clinical diagnosis. All they need are feelz. If you feel like it's the flu, just stay home, it you feel like it's Covid, run get tested! And they did. With pinpoint accuracy. Your complete lack of brain use amuses me.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3



Which some users here try to justify on the basis of cheap masks, highly effective flu shots that never existed before, and keeping 2 metres apart from each other.


Don't forget all of the other things, like hand washing, anybody who so much as sneezes getting a no questions asked sick day, people using public transport less, people meeting other people less socially, the whole shebang.

Plus, we all know that there isn't a 98 percent reduction. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most of the people with the flu are simply staying in bed and taking over the counter cold and flu solutions, so their flu isn't getting reported.

It's probably more like a 40 percent reduction at best, and much of that is probably simply because people aren't ridig busses or the subway while sick.


while I think there may be some underreportimg the figure is based on positive tests and I believe the number of tests actually increased.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3



Which some users here try to justify on the basis of cheap masks, highly effective flu shots that never existed before, and keeping 2 metres apart from each other.




Don't forget all of the other things, like hand washing, anybody who so much as sneezes getting a no questions asked sick day, people using public transport less, people meeting other people less socially, the whole shebang.

Plus, we all know that there isn't a 98 percent reduction. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most of the people with the flu are simply staying in bed and taking over the counter cold and flu solutions, so their flu isn't getting reported.

It's probably more like a 40 percent reduction at best, and much of that is probably simply because people aren't ridig busses or the subway while sick.


According to the data given by the CDC the reduction is massive and if there are 130,000 confirmed cases in 2019/20 and only 1657 in 2020/21 then that is precisely 98.725% percentage decrease in the number of cases (confirmed).

However the most important ones, i.e the estimated number of infections, for which we can do a lot of calculations seem to be missing for 2020/21 as the CDC says


Estimates are not available for the 2020-2021 flu season due to minimal influenza activity


Note that in the last 3 years prior to this and according to the OP the average number of infections was around 39.67 million per year. Very similar figures exist in the CDC page with their estimates.

But the main issue is that the CDC cannot provide any explanation on why the number of flu infections have been so low. It describes it on their site as being unusually low. So either they think this is the case (although I don't think so) or can't explain the results.

Even the 40% reduction is massive and you need some good evidence to support it.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ScepticScot

just check the CDC numbers mate .

for the most part they corroborate the OP's chart.

The FLU numbers from 2019 to 2021 took a sharp drop off and the Covid-19 numbers picked up the slack .


Didn't deny flu numbers reduced drastically. It would have been more surprising if they didn't.

That doesn't change that the figures in the OP are highly misleading and that the covid is really flu theory is one of the most stupid of all the covid conspiracy theories.


The theory from some is that the Flu disappeared and that seems really strange knowing at the beginning, everything was covid even without a test. At this stage it's data gathering and trying to comprehend if what is reported is possible, or bullsh!t.

But I am curious as to why you feel flu numbers would have had to go down. Please explain that.


Reasons already given.

The whole range of measures to reduce the spread of covid would have an impact on the spread of other viruses as well.


That's not believable and especially when the reduction in cases is massive. In the year 2020/21 there were 1,657 confirmed cases. If you want to increase this number and make an estimate it will still be in their thousands. This is extremely low and the CDC describes it as 'unusually low'. That is down from an average of 39.67 million estimated cases in the last 3 years.

The percentage decrease in the summer of flu cases is over 99.99% and the cheap masks together with the social distancing cannot achieve such results unless someone is naive or stupid to believe such claims.


See post above.

While there is a dramatic decline you are comparing two different figures.


then you provide the data. Show us where this is wrong.


This has been covered. its 2 different metrics.

See even asmodeus post, he gets it.




There is some issue here as to who gets what. The CDC provided only the number of confirmed cases for 2020/21 and not the estimated ones. I had to do the math for the estimated ones but even in this case the percentage reduction is 98.725%

Network dude said 99% and he isn't that far away.

Now if you also claim that you are a mathematics expert of an expert in biology let us know. I don't think you have any expertise in either of these two subjects


He didnt say 99% in the post I replied to and I said nothing about what the % was. So apparently I can read at least...



Scott, you have proven to be a maths person. I'm actually trying to understand this, and will likely do a lengthy thread today. But if I'm going to present your side of this, I really need to know your side with regard to the data. So if you could please confirm or deny the data presented, and state your position based on the data.



The data shows that there is a large decrease in the number of flu cases. It's not as large as the OP suggests but still a major decrease.

This data is pretty consistent across different countries that applied similar measures.

There is a logical mechanism to explain how these case numbers would be reduced by these measures.

Other viruses have also had lower case numbers over the same period.

There may well be factors involved in the decrease as well.

None of that offers any evidence that flu has been relabelled as covid.

That is a summary of my position.



I don't understand how you can make that assertion without verifiable data? You say that data is wrong, but then make a proclamation based on something, I can only assume is that same data. Or do you have better numbers?


I said the data used in the OP is wrong as its comparing two different things.

We know that the actual lab results declined massively so I am not disputing that there where less flu cases*

* unless someone can show a plausible reason why less positive results. In which case it still doesn't support the claim of this thread.


I'm not so interested in the claim of the thread, as I am to get verifiable numbers, What you don't seem to grasp is that if all this is true, we have the tools to remove the flu from our worries. And we can save millions of lives around the globe. set aside your ego for a second and think of the bigger picture.


Well I think the topic of the thread is probably relevant while on this thread.

We could end road traffic deaths by setting the speed limit at 1mph and making people wear bubbles wrap when leaving the house.

All things have an opportunity cost.



Now we are getting somewhere, you see masking as equal to being forced to drive 1 mph. A nuisance we just cannot live with.


I refer you to my answer to Zombie.

Do I think masks are appropriate as a short term measure to deal with a new virus. Absolutely.

Do I think they should be a continual norm for seasonal viruses. No.

And was your flag count a bit low this month that you have spun off this conversation into a new thread?


If you can find a way for me to transfer all my "points" to you, I will. I just think this is complete and utter bullsh!t and the best way to get others to see this for what it is, is to have it out there. Once normal folks learn this bit of obscured data, the one's who can think are going to start to question all this and the ignorant answers you have provided thus far won't cut it.


If only everyone was a super critical thinker like you.

Or maybe , like amedous, you are confusing your own incredulity with actual facts.


Oh my, you are getting rather salty. Might be time to flush old girl out a bit.


Sama advice as to asmode , you might want to check the salt level of your own posts.



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3



Which some users here try to justify on the basis of cheap masks, highly effective flu shots that never existed before, and keeping 2 metres apart from each other.


Don't forget all of the other things, like hand washing, anybody who so much as sneezes getting a no questions asked sick day, people using public transport less, people meeting other people less socially, the whole shebang.

Plus, we all know that there isn't a 98 percent reduction. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most of the people with the flu are simply staying in bed and taking over the counter cold and flu solutions, so their flu isn't getting reported.

It's probably more like a 40 percent reduction at best, and much of that is probably simply because people aren't ridig busses or the subway while sick.


absolutely! Folks just seem to know the difference between Flu and Covid. everyone is a expert at clinical diagnosis. All they need are feelz. If you feel like it's the flu, just stay home, it you feel like it's Covid, run get tested! And they did. With pinpoint accuracy. Your complete lack of brain use amuses me.


Well it seems we have a lot of experts who can diagnose a patient by just looking at them. As if Covid and Flu are so different to the vast majority of people who are either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms that are usually the...same!



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 01:00 PM
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CDC again..


What are possible explanations for the unusually low flu activity?
COVID-19 mitigation measures such as wearing face masks, staying home, hand washing, school closures, reduced travel, increased ventilation of indoor spaces, and physical distancing, likely contributed to the decline in 2020-2021 flu incidence, hospitalizations and deaths. Influenza vaccination may also contributed to reduced flu illness during the 2020–2021 season. Flu vaccine effectiveness estimates for 2020-2021 are not available, but a record number of influenza vaccine doses (193.8 million doses) were distributed in the U.S. during 2020-2021.


www.cdc.gov...



posted on Nov, 30 2022 @ 01:03 PM
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The numbers are based on lab tests as you already know.



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