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FORTY-FIVE THOUSAND Human Baby Lives SAVED Since Roe-v-Wade Was Struck Down 6 Months Ago.

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posted on Nov, 25 2022 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar



The citizens of each state are entitled to the privileges and immunities of the citizens of the several states.

The thing is that 26 states now have laws on limitations on abortions. 26 is more than 24. So why are you so opposed to the unborn in 24 states having the same privileges and immunities of the unborn in the 26 states?


"The unborn" are not entitled to any privileges or immunities. They are neither citizens nor aliens.

As I said, the Federal government, under Title 10, protects all women's right to abortion only in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the woman. Texas and Idaho are currently in court with the feds over those exemptions.



Even so, those states are a few elections and legislation away from change. By contrast, California has enough vote in the House to railroad or kill anything proposed and my votes here in Ohio does nothing to change that on the Federal level, hence it was made a State's issue by the Supreme Court....because fairness.


False.

The Supreme Court ripped a right from the people, woman folk, and gave that right to legislators. There is nothing in the SCOTUS ruling that proscribes a federal abortion ban, legislated at the congressional level. This isn't about states' rights. It never was.



posted on Nov, 25 2022 @ 09:06 PM
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Let's look at Germany and France. Modern Western Europe Countries right? In cases of Health and Life legal in both countries.
Rape, Economic or social requirements or just simply On Request because you don't want the baby... 16 weeks in France and 12 weeks in Germany.

So the US is becoming more in line with equivalent counterparts.
On Request:
is a no in the UK except Norther Irland and then 12 weeks.
Sweeden 18 weeks
Switzerland 12 weeks.
Spain 14 weeks
New Zealand 20 weeks
Austrailia no limit except in The Northern Territory.

So there you go, Austrailia is where you want to be. Or Austria where you have 3 months.



posted on Nov, 25 2022 @ 09:52 PM
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Let's look at Germany and France. Modern Western Europe Countries right? In cases of Health and Life legal in both countries.
Rape, Economic or social requirements or just simply On Request because you don't want the baby... 16 weeks in France and 12 weeks in Germany.


They also have universal health care, where abortion is paid for by the government. Here in the USA we have the Hyde Amendment with prohibits federal funds going for anything except cases of rape, incest or saving the life of the women. European countries also have liberal exception that extend to fetal anomalies and saving the health and well-being of the mother.

They also have paid family leave programs as well as comprehensive childcare systems.

I would gladly accept western European health care standards for women and social programs for children if they were to be applied here in the USA. But that won't happen, because universal health care and government subsidized abortions and free childcare aren't very popular here.


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posted on Nov, 25 2022 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

The Supreme Court did not grant a right in 1973. The Supreme Court did not remove a right in 2022. The Supreme Court evaluates the constitutionality of laws on the books.

Roe v Wade set a legal precedence to be cited in future lawsuits. That is all it did. Going beyond the limitations of that decision. Pushing the envelope is what caused it to be reevaluated. Using abortions as on request birth control up until the moment of birth caused it to be reevaluated.

Majority of cases, you can say don’t have unprotected sex. There are exceptions and abortion should be legal for those exceptions. But it is hard to cry for those that exploited that for selfish means. Like it is hard to have sympathy if people empty out an armored car because the guards have been shot and those thieves are caught and do hard time for bank robbery.

Wrong is wrong and murder for the hell of it is wrong. What is so hard to understand about that? I mean people throw a fit about a school shooting but abortions basically amount to a classroom per day of school shootings.



posted on Nov, 25 2022 @ 10:39 PM
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But one other thing I notice, and this really says a lot on the topic, is that those against unrestricted abortion on demand generally allow for some leeway in that there are legitimate reasons for an abortion. But pro-abortionist hav zero concession. It is 100% all or nothing.

There is no debate with no concession. And abortion isn’t the only subject. It goes on like that with a full multitude of subjects which is why conservative people don’t care for discussion of liberal viewpoints by a wide margin.



posted on Nov, 25 2022 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
But one other thing I notice, and this really says a lot on the topic, is that those against unrestricted abortion on demand generally allow for some leeway in that there are legitimate reasons for an abortion. But pro-abortionist hav zero concession. It is 100% all or nothing.

There is no debate with no concession. And abortion isn’t the only subject. It goes on like that with a full multitude of subjects which is why conservative people don’t care for discussion of liberal viewpoints by a wide margin.


But the other side of this political spectrum claims that
Anti abortionists are mostly full on absolute about it.
So it’s just a football. The reality is that there is a shared gray area regarding rape, incest and the mothers life.
The sticking point is the “beginning of human life”.‘and where each side places the needle on that graph.

My perception is that the ultra conservatives, and those that just like to troll others with questionable threads like this, are immovable.



posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: carewemust

... and once born ... live poor, suffer and die young.

Yeah - real heartwarming.





isn't that normal for the 99%

through recorded history?










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posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 04:41 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Not sure where you got that info but it's false - limits for abortion in Europe are 18 - 24 weeks and a fraction of a percent are performed post 24 weeks when the life of mother is at risk or child has multiple severe disabilities and very unlikely to live more than a few weeks.

Germany recently scrapped the Nazi Party Law (219a) that restricted abortion or Drs advertising their services by fining them or imprisonment up to two years. It was one of the first laws Hitler introduced in May 1933. It's not been enforced since the end of WW2 but was still disturbingly on the books until recent months - Not trying to insinuate those supporting such policies are Nazis, just stating the history of the law and was shocked to see it hadn't been repealed until June this year.

In the Uk the limit is 24 weeks, abortion on demand has effectively been legal since the 60s but only formally codified into law a couple of months back. After 9 weeks a Drs appointment/chat with clinic is needed to check the health of the mother, what to expect, the risks and any side effects to be aware of and offer free councilling services post abortion.

After 22 weeks an abortion needs two signatures from Drs who agree performing the abortion is less of a risk to the mother than continuing the pregnancy.

80% of UK abortions are done before 9 weeks and 99% before 18 weeks.

All of this is free to the pregnant person and European countries are relaxing laws to make access easier.

The countries with better sex education have the lowest rates of abortion in the world with less than 1% of pregnancies ending in abortion. This is despite some of the most relaxed laws on abortion in Europe. Personally I think they start disturbingly young as by law all primary school children must be taught sex ed, but the policy certainly works for them.


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EDIT: Unless I'm misunderstanding and you're reffering to Ohio law or the crazies in the US who call for no upper limit on abortions and abortion on demand post 22-24 weeks no questions asked(I've seen mention of a couple of States, possibly NY) as that's after the period where the feotus would feel the procedure and comes with significant risk to the mother.
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posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 08:01 AM
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a reply to: bastion

Ohio law is 5-6 weeks, when a heartbeat is detected. The exceptions being rape, incest, risk to health (including gestational diabetes) and risk of life of mother (which definitely covers removal in cases of miscarriage). Strict, but not totalitarian. Other states may 12, 20 or 26 weeks or even during labor. NY and CA are so out there that abortion might be legal up until age 5.

You always have nutters on either side of an issue. But having an abortion because the baby daddy kissed some other girl during month 7 has been the norm for far too long in the US. Sadly the Jerry Springer Show had plenty of willing guests without resorting to actors for the 27 years and nearly 5000 episodes.

But no one talks about how Baby Roe is a real person. That she is alive and doing well. Was adopted and is even married with children of her own. 50 years old now, I think. She also has older sisters that she has met. Seems like a nice person.

As for me, I think actual Pro-Choice and Pro-Life are much closer in thought than people realize. It is the Pro-Abortion and the Anti-Abortion extremists that ruin the topic.



posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 09:07 AM
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The Supreme Court did not grant a right in 1973.


They acknowledged a fundamental, constitutional right.



The Supreme Court did not remove a right in 2022.


Yes, they did. They revoked the previously acknowledged fundamental, constitutional right, overturning Roe V Wade and its precedence, ruling that no such constitutional right exists. The court then gave that right, previously held by the people, over to legislators.



Going beyond the limitations of that decision. Pushing the envelope is what caused it to be reevaluated.


Not true. Roe always delegated any post viable abortion laws and regulations to the states. States like Texas and Mississippi, flaunting Roe and banning abortion at 6 or 15 weeks, States enacting TRAP laws that burdened women's access to abortion, constantly attacking the Roe standard and continually chipping away at women's rights, plus the appointment of 3 judges by President Trump, who promised that his judges would overturn Roe V Wade is "what caused it to be reevaluated."



But having an abortion because the baby daddy kissed some other girl during month 7 has been the norm for far too long in the US.


This is a bald-faced lie. There is no state in the USA that allows for abortion on demand for a viable, healthy fetus, that isn't threatening the life or wellbeing of a woman. No-one is condoning such abortions, no hospital would allow it, and no doctor would risk their career to perform it. Even the most corrupt doctors would deliver the viable healthy infant and then sell it on the black market.

AND...the SCOTUS ruling overturning Roe does nothing to prevent such a scenario, even if it did exist, because the Roe standard always left those issue to the states themselves to regulate, anyway.







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posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 09:34 AM
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The Supreme Court also overturned the Dred Scott decision.

Seems that the left is angry that, once again, they can't treat human life as property.




posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 09:45 AM
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The Supreme Court also overturned the Dred Scott decision.


No it didn't. We had to add the 13th and 14th Amendments to counter the Dred Scott ruling.



posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy




The Supreme Court also overturned the Dred Scott decision.


No it didn't. We had to add the 13th and 14th Amendments to counter the Dred Scott ruling.


Then I stand corrected but my point still stands.



posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 09:57 AM
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my point still stands.


Which is?



posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy




my point still stands.


Which is?




Seems that the left is angry that, once again, they can't treat human life as property.



posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 10:27 AM
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Right.
You nailed it!


The Left IS angry at the prospect that a woman's womb isn't her own property once occupied.

The Left is also scared that SCOTUS will also determine that contraception isn't a constitutional right either, and legislators will be deciding when and if a woman even owns control of her own gate, that stops potential uninvited occupants from entering at all.

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posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 10:51 AM
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And denying that an unborn infant is a human life is probably one of the nastier aspects of some of our species.



posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 11:02 AM
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denying that an unborn infant is a human life


"Unborn infant"...okay

No one is denying that women are choosing to abort human embryos or fetuses, or that those entities aren't alive.

Thinking that women don't know what they're doing when they get abortions is a right-wing myth, and the reason why they started forcing women into waiting periods, counseling and vaginal ultrasound probes. Like women don't know that they're ending the life of a potential infant. Most women seeking abortions are already mothers. They know what they're doing.



posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 11:16 AM
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" No one is denying that women are choosing to abort human embryos or fetuses, or that those entities aren't alive."


Really ? Deny Ignorance . Unlike Animals here on Earth , Humans are Unique , they have SOULS . Now if you Want to Debate the Reality of Human SOULS Even Existing , and Prove Somehow that they Don't , then Your Argument here Might have some Merit . Go Ahead , Prove Away....................



posted on Nov, 26 2022 @ 11:32 AM
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Unlike Animals here on Earth , Humans are Unique , they have SOULS


Okay. Is that soul created when human have sweaty, nasty, dirty sex? If so, what makes us different from animals? Why would you think that animals don't make souls by having sex?

If souls aren't created through some sexy biological sequences, how are they created? Are they created at all? Is there some soul storage warehouse where souls are waiting for fertilized human eggs for them to enter?

Are souls immortal spiritual beings that aren't born and that don't die? Are aborted embryos/fetuses imbued with a soul? Does a soul decide when to enter a body, or is it assigned a body by a higher authority? Is an aborted embryo's soul being punished for something it did in a past life, or did it choose its fate?

I have so many soulful questions!


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