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Federal Judge Tells Ron Desantis To Sit Down And Stfu

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posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:16 AM
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People who talk about DeSantis being a great wonderful alternative to Trump, not that the OP author is supporting Trump, should look at this case.
But I'll say even Trump wouldn’t have tried this. At least, I don't think he would.

Often conservatives are blatantly hypocritical crying FREE SPEECH and looking at what DeSantis is trying to do but violate the First Amendment with his so-called Stop Woke act.



Republicans talk a big game about free speech and the First Amendment. But when it comes down to it, they actually believe people should only be “free” to discuss topics they’ve approved. No elected official better epitomizes this hypocrisy than Florida governor Ron DeSantis who, in the last year alone, has signed a law effectively banning teachers from saying the word “gay” in grades K–3; punished one of the largest employers in the state for having the temerity to criticize the “Don’t Say Gay” law; and signed into law a bill—eye-rollingly named “Stop WOKE Act”—that restricts conversations about race in schools and businesses, in a patently obvious attempt to prevent real discussions about the role white people have played in the long history of systemic racism in America. And on Thursday, a federal judge called him on his bull#.
In a 138-page order, chief US district judge Mark Walker blocked state officials from enforcing a central piece of the Stop WOKE Act, which he dubbed “positively dystopian” and says violates the First Amendment. Citing George Orwell’s 1984, Walker wrote that DeSantis and company seem to believe that “the State has unfettered authority to muzzle its professors in the name of ‘freedom,’” which is quite obviously not freedom at all. Zeroing in on the fact that the law targets freedom of expression that DeSantis and his fellow Republicans don’t like, Walker wrote: “The law officially bans professors from expressing disfavored viewpoints in university classrooms while permitting unfettered expression of the opposite viewpoints. Defendants argue that, under this Act, professors enjoy ‘academic freedom’ so long as they express only those viewpoints of which the State approves.”


Common sense tells us this law is clearly a violation of the First Amendment.



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


This should NOT be a partisan issue, but of course, it will.

If you’re going to talk about free speech, one has to be consistent. It can’t be just free speech for your side.

And this is truly about FREE SPEECH because it's the GOVERNMENT curtailing speech, not a social media site.

So that makes DeSantis’s attempt really, as the judge called it: dystopian.


 


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posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:22 AM
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Shouldn't this be about protecting very young children?
They are very impressionable and shouldn't have to hear or deal with issues until they have matured.



posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

WINNERS expect headwinds.


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posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:31 AM
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So you just grab anything that fits the other WOKE narrative...lol I laugh every time a liberal pushes freedom of speech issue with what they have done in the last 10 years. To them Freedom of speech is only that speech that agrees with them, canx everyone else. Talk about 1984... Add on to that they been working very had to make 2 + 2 = 5


A federal judge on Thursday issued a temporary injunction that partially blocks officials in Florida from enforcing the state’s law against mandatory workplace trainings about race or sex that could make some people feel “guilt” or “anguish.”

The law, known as the “Stop Woke Act,” where woke is used as an acronym for “Wrongs to Our Kids and Employees,” was designed to combat “woke indoctrination” in Florida businesses and schools by prohibiting instruction that could make some parties feel they bear “personal responsibility” for historic wrongdoings because of their race, sex or national origin.

Only the private employer provision of the law is blocked by Thursday’s ruling.


Maybe read a little more into it. This is 100% true...


DeSantis in a December statement said the proposal would build on prior efforts to ban from Florida classrooms the New York Times’ 1619 project and critical race theory, which he called “state-sanctioned racism.”


Can't say "Gay" law was a term invented by the left to do what they do best in creating a totally new definition to something. As example... MAGA..oh you mean like make America great again like before 1865? This law... oh now you want to force people not to use the term "gay", so stupid.



“We won’t allow Florida tax dollars to be spent teaching kids to hate our country or to hate each other,” he said. “We also have a responsibility to ensure that parents have the means to vindicate their rights when it comes to enforcing state standards.”

Florida’s Board of Education last year banned critical race theory, which addresses systemic racism in the U.S., from being taught in schools, grouping it in the same category as Holocaust denial and other “theories that distort historical events.”

DeSantis in December said workers in the state should also be protected against “hostile” environments that are created when employers mandate implicit bias or sexual harassment training.

Florida business owners with more than 15 employees under the law could face legal challenges from workers who feel they have been targeted by mandatory trainings or discriminated against.



posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

Of course they dont actually care about free speech just as they dont actually care about book banning. The authoritarianism is hidden behind "just think about the kids".



posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: RonnieJersey
Shouldn't this be about protecting very young children?
They are very impressionable and shouldn't have to hear or deal with issues until they have matured.



He didn't block the whole law.



In a 138-page order, chief US district judge Mark Walker blocked state officials from enforcing a central piece of the Stop WOKE Act, which he dubbed “positively dystopian” and says violates the First Amendment.



Sure, children should NOT be exposed to certain mature subjects, but College professors, as far as I know, don’t teach children.

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posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

Hahahaha, keep grasping at straws.


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posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:37 AM
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Gay was not mentioned in the so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill. That was a lie perpetuated by the left.



posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

The judge didn't block the whole law. Just parts of it that were clearly a violation of the first amendment. Read the post... don't react on a triggered response. Maybe have some nuance in your thinking once in a while.

I support not exposing children to sexual differences and not engaging in making people guilty for past wrongs.

That has nothing to do with the post.



posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:48 AM
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Agreed. This is about stopping the BLQTD/sex agenda on to kids.


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posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
a reply to: peaceinoutz

Of course they dont actually care about free speech just as they dont actually care about book banning. The authoritarianism is hidden behind "just think about the kids".


Books with gay sexual content or any sexual content should not be in the hands of elementary school kids UNLESS approved by their parents, not by drag queens or psychotic Leftist teachers.
Nobody is banning them completely, so just stop with the utter nonsense.



posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 10:59 AM
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Professors are using biased information to brainwash students into becoming the next generation of good little socialists. Professors who dare to speak out against any of the many Woke agendas are terminated.

It was two professors who gave us the Cloward-Piven strategy, and college just puts the finishing touches on the primary level of indoctrinating our children for political purposes.

If anybody is really okay with that may I suggest a year or two in China? Brazil? Iran or Afghanistan?

There are many places one can live under authoritarian rule; you Woke jokes' don't need to fundamentally change America. Go there!



posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: RonnieJersey
Shouldn't this be about protecting very young children?
They are very impressionable and shouldn't have to hear or deal with issues until they have matured.


Its more than that... No one cares these days if anyone is gay or not, but the left is trying to demonize all this as an attack against the alphabet community. The New York Times’ 1619 project was written by one person with extreme personal biases to history that is basically false or skewed to their own biases. Its been proven totally incorrect 1000 times over, but WOKE educational system said WOW this is good stuff lets teach this now... The other part is critical race theory that actively encourages discrimination. At its core, CRT segregates people into two main categories: oppressors or victims. The calculation is based solely on skin color. CRT is actually a class in law school that has little baring on how it is being used in schools today as the left took it and manipulated into the crude thing we see today. Lastly, keep sex out of schools at the younger levels, no need for it. No need for the teacher to talk about their sex life, no need for the porn star or Trans to have a story hour, keep it all out.... This last part is where the "don't say gay" came from.


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posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 11:06 AM
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That’s not called for, bro. Calling someone that name. Please, not on my thread!


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posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
a reply to: peaceinoutz

Of course they dont actually care about free speech just as they dont actually care about book banning. The authoritarianism is hidden behind "just think about the kids".


Books with gay sexual content or any sexual content should not be in the hands of elementary school kids UNLESS approved by their parents, not by drag queens or psychotic Leftist teachers.
Nobody is banning them completely, so just stop with the utter nonsense.


Tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to justify book banning. Your type always does. "Just think about the kids!".



posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

The left, just like the right, has a right to argue their case fairly to the population. Sure, both sides propagandize and often demagogue the issues; that's expected.

This is about both sides having a fair shot and the government not choosing sides.

What if a left-wing assembly passed a law abridging right-leaning philosophy from being even mentioned in schools? How would you feel then?



posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 11:12 AM
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BTW, this thread is NOT about that bill...

It's about another bill.



posted on Nov, 19 2022 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: peaceinoutz

The judge didn't block the whole law. Just parts of it that were clearly a violation of the first amendment. Read the post... don't react on a triggered response. Maybe have some nuance in your thinking once in a while.

I support not exposing children to sexual differences and not engaging in making people guilty for past wrongs.

That has nothing to do with the post.



Well read you link which is 100% liberal partisan...lol You also made it partisan with you comments. So what if the judge blocked parts of it, could be a good thing, that is their job to help mold laws etc. correctly. Maybe you should try understanding what DeSantis is fighting against and not just go to the whole dystopian path and basically call the right hypocritical over freedom of speech.



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