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Holding Back the Winds of Destruction

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posted on Nov, 17 2022 @ 09:25 PM
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Humankind entered into the last days of this system in October of 1914. We are now 108 years along into the last days. So when does the end come?

Of course Jesus Christ said that not even he knew the day and the hour:

Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."-Matthew 24:36.

But in that same chapter of Matthew 24 Jesus gave a composite sign of things that would occur during the last days up to and through the "great tribulation" and the return of the Christ. In the next chapter (25) he talks about events directly "after the tribulation of those days" when Jesus will separate all humankind, sheep from goats, and at that time the sheep will inherit everlasting life and the goats will receive everlasting destruction.

That composite sign of Matthew 24:3-14 has been in fulfillment since 1914.

Now the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14 itself has been in fulfillment wherein we are told that the "good news of the kingdom will be preached" throughout the entire inhabited earth.

I have authored several threads concerning this "kingdom" on this website including The Scepter and The Incoming World Government. Here we are given to see through Bible prophecy that God's kingdom government is established in heaven and that it is in conflict with the rulers of the world under the control of Satan the Devil (see this thread on Who Really Rules the World).

The religions of Christendom (Christ's kingdom on earth) have been lead to believe that Jesus' kingdom is part of Satan's world and the political system of things. But God's true Christian congregation, his anointed witnesses, have been preaching throughout the last days about the incoming kingdom of Christ that is heavenly and will rule for a thousand years over the earth fixing all the problems man has created in turning his back on the Sovereign of the universe, Jehovah God.

This preaching work has gone on long enough that the people alive in 1914 when the end began have mostly died off. Now the people are fulfilling the prophecy of 2 Peter 3 that says:

"First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.”-2 Peter 3:3-4.

They scoff at the kingdom preaching work done by God's anointed slaves. It has been going on for so long from their viewpoint that it is a joke in their eyes. But we are told why the end would seem to be prolonged from the viewpoint of a human in that same scripture a little further on in verses 8 and 9:

"However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."-2 Peter 3:8-9.

So the reason the end has not yet come is because God is being patient with "you" that is, his beloved anointed Christian congregation. You see, all throughout the last days there has been an anointing of the 144,000 who will go to heaven to rule with Jesus Christ as kings in his heavenly government over the earth. Some of these have not totally cleansed themselves from the works of the flesh and perhaps have found themselves in a disapproved condition before God because of falling back into gross sin. Instead of giving up on them, God has allowed the time of the end to be prolonged in our mind, patiently dealing with his adopted children, because he does not want any of them to be destroyed but all to attain to repentance. Those of the anointed who are in that lost condition up to this late date should take note of God's love for his children and repent of their evil deeds. And take to heart the words of the same scripture a little further on:

"Therefore, beloved ones, since you are awaiting these things, do your utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace. Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation."-2 Peter 3:14-15.

That is where we come to the words of the title of this OP. In Revelation 7 we open with the words of an angel carrying the seal of God telling the angels to hold back the four winds of destruction until all the anointed have received their final sealing:

"After this I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”-Revelation 7:1-3.

In this thread the universal war being waged between Satan and the offspring of Genesis 3:15 is breifly mentioned. Therein we find that war in process in Revelation 12. There we are told that Satan is hurled down to earth and he is waging war with the remaining offspring of the woman:

"So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus.”-Revelation 12:17.

The remaining ones of the offspring are those alive with the living seal of God, the remaining called and chosen of the 144,000.

So the end has not yet come until now because God has allowed Satan to wage war on those whom he has sealed, called and chosen. These are preaching in all the inhabited earth about Jesus' incoming heavenly government that is to wage war against all human government and Satan and his wicked demons.

When the very last of the 144,000 will have found their repentance and endured to Jehovah God's satisfaction down until the very end, then and only then will the 4 winds of destruction be let lose upon this wicked world.

When will that day arrive? We do not know. But we do know it is close.

In Noah's days the time of the end lasted 120 years:

"Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.”"-Genesis 6:3.

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posted on Nov, 17 2022 @ 09:38 PM
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You put a lot of work into this I see.

If the end times is foreshadowed by the second coming of Christ and the end times is in a minimum of 12 years from now then maybe we can expect his glorious return after 2034!



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 12:39 AM
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a reply to: randomuser


I can tell you put a lot into this post, however...there will be many more than just 144,000 who go to Heaven.

Christ is taking His time on returning for (1) the rapture and (2) His second coming because He does not wish any to perish. He is giving as much time as He can for people to accept Christ. But He will come on that appointed day and time.

Let me ask you this: do you believe in a literal heaven and a hell? for believers and non-believers?



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 05:36 AM
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a reply to: randomuser

Cool story, it has it all...



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 06:36 AM
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Over 2 billion Christians in the world and only 144,000 get to go to Heaven?

That means 99.993% of Christians will not ascend.

Will the 144,000 that get to go to Heaven just be baptized babies?

Babies never had a chance to sin, so I'd figure that they'd have a better chance of entering Heaven than any adult would.

Concerning the day and hour nobody knows, so there's no point in trying to figure out when it's going to happen.

If you truly have Christ in your heart there's no point in worrying about any of this.



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 09:23 AM
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With Revelation being a sequential book. That is the first seal comes before the 7th, it is prudent to keep the proper perspective on end time events. Clearly one thing should stand out even in reference to what you write. Not All of which I agree with.

Beginning at and before your date of 1914 the world has experienced a catastrophe which has not happened before that time. Indeed if you were to look at history you would find no era with the slaughter that has happened prior to 1900. So only in the past 120 years has the world experienced such massive self destruction.
Added together with WW2 and WW1 and also added into Chairman Mao as well as Stalin you will find more..probably far more than 175 million women, children, civilians, and soldiers dead during that time period.

If the 4th green horse of death is not yet riding then we are in store for something massively devastating.
It is my distinct opinion that all four horses now ride. As one horse begins to ride, the previous one is still riding and each successive one is worse.

A quick look at chapter six and seven of Rev. is clear. A massive worldwide earthquake is imminent. But even then the angel does not announce "no more delay" until chapter ten. Meaning, some manor of delay of the end is occurring until then. This is why the house just flipped. Delay.
As was with Sodom, as long as there may be found someone who will repent, and or believe, Delay will occur. After the earthquake, soon after. there will be "no more delay". Do note that immediately after that earthquake a multitude that cannot be numbered appears in heaven. Before the seventh seal truly takes effect.
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posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 09:46 AM
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O yea: One final note in regard to those who believe only 144000 are saved:

144 000 is a number that can be counted. Is counted and was counted. It will be a special number from the tribes of Israel only.

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If 144000 are the only ones saved, how do we account for the number that appears in Heaven that "cannot be numbered" before the seventh seal? [end of Rev 6 and the 6th seal] Where do they come from? Obviously given white robes and saved from where? Common sense says they came from the event of the earthquake, and also those sleeping from previous salvation.

I give you the number way beyond 144000 saved. 144000 is not an only number saved supported by scripture.
We cannot omit ignore, or explain away scripture just because it does not fit a narrative.

[John 7:14 These are those that came out of great tribulation] Far more than 144000.



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 09:54 AM
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Hitler was the antichrist and Napoleon before him. Some even said Frederick the Great could be him. I am a religious person but trying to shoehorn our future in to prophecy is a limited venture. We can see parallels but calling dates is absolutely not within our purview as the bible states. No man knows.....



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: TruthJava
a reply to: randomuser


I can tell you put a lot into this post, however...there will be many more than just 144,000 who go to Heaven.

Christ is taking His time on returning for (1) the rapture and (2) His second coming because He does not wish any to perish. He is giving as much time as He can for people to accept Christ. But He will come on that appointed day and time.

Let me ask you this: do you believe in a literal heaven and a hell? for believers and non-believers?


Truth Java,

Thank you for taking the time for replying. Without a doubt the majority of adherents to Christendom have been taught that everyone good goes to heaven. To answer your question about heaven and hell there is a thread I made awhile ago entitled Immortality - Deathlessness.. It explains what all religions around the world teach concerning the soul, and what the Bible teaches. In one of the posts: here I also go into detail about what hell is.

Here is something for you to ponder. The OP has to do with the end times prophecies Jesus revealed to his apostles in Matthew 24 and 25. Now if you notice, after the tribulation of those days Jesus will appear in heaven and call his chosen ones with the great trumpet sound as he sends his angels forth to gather them together from all over the earth. This is the event you refer to as the "rapture."

It is not until after this event that the people are separated as sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-33). On what basis are the people judged as either being sheep or goats? It is on this fact: How they treated Jesus' adopted brothers while on earth:

"Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."-Matthew 25:40.

Who are Jesus' adopted brothers? Here is a post here that goes into some detail about that.

As for the a better understanding of who the 144,000 are see this post.
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posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: DavidsHope
O yea: One final note in regard to those who believe only 144000 are saved:

144 000 is a number that can be counted. Is counted and was counted. It will be a special number from the tribes of Israel only.

RE:
If 144000 are the only ones saved, how do we account for the number that appears in Heaven that "cannot be numbered" before the seventh seal? [end of Rev 6 and the 6th seal] Where do they come from? Obviously given white robes and saved from where? Common sense says they came from the event of the earthquake, and also those sleeping from previous salvation.

I give you the number way beyond 144000 saved. 144000 is not an only number saved supported by scripture.
We cannot omit ignore, or explain away scripture just because it does not fit a narrative.

[John 7:14 These are those that came out of great tribulation] Far more than 144000.


Greetings David's Hope. You are correct that there are more to be saved than just the 144,000. That was not what the OP was saying. To get a fuller understanding of who the 144,000 are and why it is a literal number please see this thread on who the 144,000 are. I actually just linked to it in a post above this one to another poster.

I believe these music videos here and here do a nice job of depicting the Biblical hope for the majority of mankind as set out in Psalms 37:11, 29:

"The meek will possess the earth,
And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace...
The righteous will possess the earth,
And they will live forever on it.
"



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posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Hitler was the antichrist and Napoleon before him. Some even said Frederick the Great could be him. I am a religious person but trying to shoehorn our future in to prophecy is a limited venture. We can see parallels but calling dates is absolutely not within our purview as the bible states. No man knows.....


Greetings Ask the Animals. I agree with you that no one could put a time table on God's day. As for when the time of the end began we can with certainity pinpoint the date of October 1914.

Please see this thread I pinned a while ago that goes into detail on how we can be sure that October of 1914 was the year humankind entered into the tumultuous last days of Biblical history:

Pieces of a Divine Puzzle Come Together - A Timeline Decoded



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 12:46 PM
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Can somebody please point me to the scripture that has the word 'rapture in it?

Also, why do Jehova Witnesses believe that they, and only they will be the 144,000?

Thanks in advance.



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: randomuser

October, or August 1914?

"Home before the leaves fall"

Cheers



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: randomuser

Supposedly on God's final judgement day, the day will last 50,000 years.



"However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."-2 Peter 3:8-9.


So what exactly is repentance?

The Bible's passages all have differing theories of repentance and God's final judgement.

I believe those believers and nonbelievers who do good deeds and are good of heart will attain repentance.



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: nugget1
Can somebody please point me to the scripture that has the word 'rapture in it?

Also, why do Jehova Witnesses believe that they, and only they will be the 144,000?

Thanks in advance.


There are no scriptures with the word rapture.

As for where are the remaining of the 144,000? They are among Jehovah's Witnesses. In the first century the first of the 144,000 were anointed with holy spirit at Pentecost of 33 C. E. (50 days after Jesus was resurrected, and shortly after he returned to heaven and appeared before Jehovah God's throne to offer up his ransom sacrifice as a ransom for humankind.)

Jesus foretold that during the last days he would separate the "wheat" or genuine anointed Christians from the "weeds," or imitation Christians, Christians in name only. Before the end began all truly anointed were among the weeds of Christendom.

We know this to be the case because all those whom have received the calling and the choosing are among Jehovah's Witnesses. And they alone are the ones doing the preaching work foretold by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:14 about his kingdom. The adherents in Christendom have been taught that Jesus' kingdom is part of Satan's political system of things that Jesus' heavenly kingdom is going to destroy. Jesus' kingdom rule over the earth is to be global and is future, it begins after the war of Armageddon.

See the thread: The Prince of Peace for a more in depth explanation.

For a fuller explanation of who the 144,000 are see this post:

Who Are the 144,000 (also linked to in an above reply.)

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posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: randomuser

October, or August 1914?

"Home before the leaves fall"

Cheers


Greetings F2d5thCavv2. Please see the thread: Pieces of a Divine Puzzle Come Together - A Timeline Decoded for a precise explanation of how 1914 is pointed to in Bible prophecy. In brief it has to do with the "7 times" in Daniel 4:25 which equal out to 2,520 years starting from the fall of Jerusalem to Babylon in October of the year 607 B. C. E.



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 03:19 PM
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The OP message, is it all yours , or is it JW narrative ?



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: randomuser


The OP message, is it all yours , or is it JW narrative ?



Everything I write is my understanding of Holy Scripture and is backed up by Holy Scripture and I believe is guided by the direction of holy spirit. God's word interprets itself. I don't believe Jehovah's Witnesses would disagree with any of the understandings as found in my posts.

I should also add that I don't believe to be infallible, and no doubt have written things that are inaccurate as all humans do. And most of my understanding is thanks to a study of the scriptures with Bible based literature published by Jehovah's Witnesses. I have done decades of research and study and have no doubt, that while they may err and correct their understandings on certain scriptures from time to time, they no doubt are God's channel on earth today as you can see throughout my threads and posts. They are the ones fulfilling the prophecy of Matthew 24:14 about God's kingdom being preached in all the inhabited earth as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come:

Music Video The Search
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Video: My Search for the True God
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posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 05:29 PM
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On the question of timing, I will only observe that ch7 v1 is the immediate sequel to the Four Horsemen of ch6. In fact it is the announcement of the end of the Four Horsemen phase and a brief interval of peace (which is what "silence in heaven" means, ch8 v1).



posted on Nov, 18 2022 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: randomuser
On the question of timing, I will only observe that ch7 v1 is the immediate sequel to the Four Horsemen of ch6. In fact it is the announcement of the end of the Four Horsemen phase and a brief interval of peace (which is what "silence in heaven" means, ch8 v1).



This is interesting. There are parallels between Jesus' prophecies in Matthew 24 that go along with Revelation 6 and 7. For example Jesus said that "after the tribulation" of those days all the tribes of the earth would beat themselves in lamentation as they see the son of man appear in heaven. That is, there would be supernatural signs and portents in the heavens that all humankind would have to acknowledge as Jesus Christ return. He says that during that time the stars would fall from the heaven:

"“Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."-Matthew 24:29-30.

Revelation 6 makes reference to this time period:

"And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the entire moon became as blood, and the stars of heaven fell to the earth as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind drops its unripe figs."-Revelation 6:12-13.


At that time everyone will try to hide in the caves, including kings of the earth, high officials, military commanders, rich people, strong people, slaves, and all the free people:

"Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”-Revelation 6:15-17.

And Revelation 7 shows us that the great crowd are the ones that come out of the great tribulation that Jesus refers to in Matthew 24:21:

"“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."-Revelation 7:14.




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