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These People Where Forced To Be Russian.

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posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: TDDAgain




it's the Ukrainian peoples decision.


Correct.

And they made that decision in 1991. Your argument is flawed.




posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong

Prove it the 1991 referendum was legit.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: TDDAgain



So instead of reparations and similar actions, you, the commander of an already war torn country, with not even enough supply on it's own to keep the war from tilting towards Russian favor, would march towards the Kremlin. Decimating more of your folk that already suffered?


Nothing emotional about it, just the way the great game is won.

You must have missed the way the second world war played out and the race to Berlin.

You decapitate your enemy, you don't bargain with it if you dont have to, outcome of the first world war should have taught you what happens when you do.

Again going for Moscow and Putin would initiate a third word war as i have already stated, and that's a bad idea, the worst one may add present climate and all that jazz.

Anyhoo i canny really provide adequate responses right now so catch you later.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: MykeNukem

Just to help you, here is the definition of " Retreat "




a move back by soldiers or an army, either because they have been defeated or in order to avoid fighting:


dictionary.cambridge.org...

The Russians did in fact " retreat "



That definition is great, if you think they are trying to avoid fighting.

I think the fighting will continue and they won't avoid further fighting.

So, really more of a repositioning than a retreat by the definition you've supplied.

You think they're done fighting and will avoid it from now on?



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: YongGua
a reply to: alldaylong

Prove it the 1991 referendum was legit.


You prove it wasn't ?



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: YongGua
a reply to: alldaylong

Prove it the 1991 referendum was legit.


You prove it wasn't ?


Prove the recent referendums weren't legit then.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: YongGua
a reply to: alldaylong

Prove it the 1991 referendum was legit.


You prove it wasn't ?


Prove the recent referendums weren't legit then.


I have nothing to prove. That is up to the people of Ukraine.

You have American election fraud on your brain. It's not healthy.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:50 PM
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I bet a lot of them come to Canada and ditch their Ukrainian citizenship for Canadian citizenship. Kherson city has no electricity for the foreseeable future, and I'm talking years.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: YongGua
a reply to: alldaylong

Prove it the 1991 referendum was legit.


You prove it wasn't ?


Prove the recent referendums weren't legit then.


I have nothing to prove. That is up to the people of Ukraine.

You have American election fraud on your brain. It's not healthy.



What's American election fraud have to do with this?

I really wish any of this was up to the people of Ukraine, but everyone wants to make it about NATO...

If you can state the people of Ukraine chose in 1991, then I can claim that they chose in 2022 as well. That's consistent.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem

You can play with words all you like but this was a humiliating "withdrawal" all the same.

They faced being cut off from supplies and don't forget Putins claim that the city would be "Russian forever".

Apparently not.

OK.

So is glorious redeployment and victory.

I don't think so.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:53 PM
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Likewise, if they knew back in 2013 Euro Maidan would lead to the condition of Ukraine now, they probably wouldn't have done it in the first place and instead chose election in 2014.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem




then I can claim that they chose in 2022 as well. That's consistent.


I go with the decision of The UN General Council.




UN General Assembly demands Russia reverse course on ‘attempted illegal annexation’


news.un.org...



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: LABTECH767

How could Ukraine go "full nuclear" without any nukes, let alone "again?

Why would they, even if they had any?


Hang on a mo mate, they have plenty of dismantled Soviet era Nukes right there right now the only thing they don't have is the refined Plutonium and guess what they have some nuclear power stations and know exactly how to do that if they want.

My statement is meant to reflect the Ukraine's obvious newfound fear of their former brothers in Russia following this invasion and the crimes committed during it and the likelihood that they will want to be able to defend themselves and to hold a card to wave at the Russians should it ever occur again, so the Russians are not then holding all the cards in case on that future occasion the west should then not get involved or back them up.

They won't want to be reliant on others, we did not after all, and it is probably the only good thing Thatcher did was to give us our own Nukes, our own Independant Nuclear Deterrent.

So WHY would they not want to have their own?

I mean it would only make sense even if they had to do it in secret would it not?

At the collapse of the Soviet Onion (pun intended it's like a Russian doll if you think about it and there are those church domes) there were at least 5000+ nukes left in the Ukraine alone though they have at least theoretically all now been long ago dismantled the majority of the components probably remain within the Ukraine and a great many of the Soviet union's nuclear engineers and technicians were Ukrainian anyway.
engineering.stanford.edu...
edit on 12-11-2022 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong

The US annexed Puerto Rico, Guam, Phillipines, Hawaii, Texas. Annexation is not inherently evil, as long as you have the military power to back it up.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: MykeNukem




then I can claim that they chose in 2022 as well. That's consistent.


I go with the decision of The UN General Council.




UN General Assembly demands Russia reverse course on ‘attempted illegal annexation’


news.un.org...





The UN?

NVM I see the problem. LOL



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: YongGua
I bet a lot of them come to Canada and ditch their Ukrainian citizenship for Canadian citizenship. Kherson city has no electricity for the foreseeable future, and I'm talking years.


Exactly.

Let the UK take them in.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

Maybe, but they would be MAD to attack Russia with them?



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem

We have!

www.gov.uk...

As of July.
edit on 12-11-2022 by Oldcarpy2 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: MykeNukem




then I can claim that they chose in 2022 as well. That's consistent.


I go with the decision of The UN General Council.




UN General Assembly demands Russia reverse course on ‘attempted illegal annexation’


news.un.org...





The UN?

NVM I see the problem. LOL




You have your opinion, i have mine.

Maybe if Russia ran The UN you would be all for it. Of course you would.




posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: LABTECH767

How could Ukraine go "full nuclear" without any nukes, let alone "again?

Why would they, even if they had any?


1) They can not obviously, that's why Zelensky begs for them.
2) Because Zelensky already entertained the idea.

More questions?



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