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Alien secrecy should end because any new science and tech can only help.

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posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:20 AM
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As I posted somewhere earlier, the key to the secrets, if there are any, is within the US Joint Chiefs of Staff and something called the JIO Joint Intelligence committee.

There is absolutely no way in the world for any alien crash or investigation to be done without these groups knowing all about it.
That’s where the secrets, if any are, without a doubt.
Barry Goldwater asked General Lemay about aliens, he was asking the right guy who was on the Joint Chiefs of staff at the time.

But Lemay told him: DON’T YOU EVER, EVER ASK ME THAT QUESTION AGAIN

Here is Goldwater telling the story



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:35 AM
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Hmmm…..Barry never really mentions in his story that he asked the General himself ….using the words UFO’s or Aliens………..he mentions “Secret Stuff” ….that generalization could be taken as anything in the Black Projects world. His story is not specific enough to infer UFO’s or Aliens when talking to the General….Imo….

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posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

What is a clock other than a metronome?

Metronomes 'keep' time.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:38 AM
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a reply to: GENERAL EYES
I guess you speak about smartphones, 3D printers and such. Something I didn't have until 2019 because I refused to participate in that rat race. I can memorize birthdays, read maps and do not feel naked without one. However I got one handed down for other reasons that have nothing to do with telephone calls or surfing and got sucked into the stream too, because convenience.

You speak about the youth yet I don't see many in my age (mid 30s) doing any better. I remember my uncle narrating about how they didn't even have portable calculators in his days, because they were not invented yet. Yet he was the first one to show me how to spell "donkey" in German when you type in 7353 "ESEL" and turn the display on it's head.

I think every generation says similar about the next one. But yes, certainly the impression is given that technology is wasted. But we have to give the youth the benefit of the doubt, they are in the budding phases of their lives, have not made as much life lessons as the next generation. How could they, they are young and need to make and discover those mistakes for themselves. Or else we would stunt their growth.




posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:43 AM
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What is a clock other than a metronome?

Metronomes 'keep' time.


And clocks measure it. That's the difference. A metronome is used to produce a steady, repeating signal, a clock is a tool that incorporates a metronome to continuous add up each of those amplitudes in a repeating manner in order to be able to display that result.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 02:16 AM
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a reply to: TDDAgain

Think simply.

A orchestral conductor is a living metronome. He keeps all the instrument players in sync.

The clock in the town hall tower keeps the town in sync, so does the clock on the factory floor.

Clocks set to the same time, keep us all in sync . . .

"What is the time kind sir?"

"The time is half past four."


Modern people are always looking at their clocks and setting their lives by them.

With paranormal and UFO phenomenon, there is often missing, or some other change timewise. The Australian native folks have something called the dreamtime.

One might say the clock is a metronome that keeps civilisation marching in step.

One might also say that "time" is fluid; like a river. There is the fast main flow, closer to shore the water moves less swiftly. There are the eddies, and even the pools where the water slows and almost stops.

The clock keeps everyone floating downstream at exactly the same speed. If one wants to experience time in a different manner then it follows that one has to forget one's sense of "time".

One can also call a clock; a mind entrainment device.


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posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 02:39 AM
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The clock/metronome is just a device that visualizes (or tones in the case of metronome) our perception of time. Picking up Ophiusus train of thought, we would still pick up time but we would define it's perceived granularity (it is indeed fluid) in a different way, because we lack an external marker to do so. But we do have our internal clock, cells are built and die, physical laws take time to execute.

I think the missing time with these UFO encounters, provided true, has more to do with the captors messing with our perception of time, than time being a human concept.

Yes indeed a clock is a mind entrainment device. It looks like English uses the same word for clock (time keeping piece) and a clock (as a frequency to synchronize). Psychologically speaking, a metronome is the better mind entrainment device. I did a thread on a similar subject earlier this year and still owe a continuation of said one.

Brainwave entrainment through binaural beats: Explanation, Research, first results published



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 03:58 AM
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a reply to: TDDAgain

I read your OP in the thread. I think that is when I realised the clock is a simple mind entrainment device.

I remember reading an interesting account of a seer in the late nineteenth century in the book: The Fairy-Faith in Celtic Countries by W. Y. Evans - Wentz. The seer said it took him a few days to readjust his seeing after visiting the city. I wondered if that was to de-entrain himself from the psychologically collective city time.

I guess it depends on how one thinks of the subject.

I remember when the notion of time was considered to be synonymous with motion. Maybe with quantum theory science has distanced itself from motion and time being very close.

Here's a practical little 3 minute video illustrating how I think of "time" and "motion".


The trails behind the planets the illustrator used to show past motion is important I think.

The video illustrates that motion is inherited. Our earth spins at a certain speed which we inherit. The earth orbits the sun at X kilometers per second. The sun orbits within our galaxy which is moving, and so on. Motion being like a field when we think in these terms.

If we could separate from ourselves the various inherited motions . . .

The little video also illustrates a six dimensional world view if one thinks outside the box of contemporary thought. I find the six dimensional model a trusty way to geometrically navigate the psychic world.

Height X width X length is the normal 3D world we know: a geometrical cube.

Now add Inside and Outside as fouth and fifth dimensions. So: Height X width X length X inside X outside to give a 5D world: a box.

Next add motion as the sixth dimension. So: Height X width X length X inside X outside X motion to give a 6D world: a auto (car).



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 04:22 AM
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remember reading an interesting account of a seer in the late nineteenth century in the book: The Fairy-Faith in Celtic Countries by W. Y. Evans - Wentz. The seer said it took him a few days to readjust his seeing after visiting the city. I wondered if that was to de-entrain himself from the psychologically collective city time.


Coming from a Pagan / Celtic interest, this reads to me like a metaphor about awareness in nature. When we are in pure nature / rural living, we tend to be more aware to subtle signs. When in the city, we do have to readapt. Dangers, opportunities, lifestyle etc. No wonder we have to readapt when leaving that circle of constant artificial impressions.

The "eyes" here is the inner eye, I think. For example my mother had a feeling for the forest. When I was younger, I admired her ability to navigate and knowledge about the forest. She could tell you things you would not see and she could not have known, but became aware of it, by observation. It took me a long time to understand what it really is, I thought it's some kind of gift of her and hoped I got it too, but it isn't. It's pure awareness and can be trained and learned. Now I too can tell you about the history of the forest without ever having been there, to a degree. I "developed the eye for that" is a common saying here. This all resonates with Evans - Wentz story (that I have to dig in, but from your description it resonates).

Since I knew about everything moving relative to each other / how our Solar system is not stationary, like visible in the video you posted... I knew that time travel is not possible in the frame definition we use, motion / reallocation of position in space has to happen simultane too. Both are necessary connected.

I like to use Carl Sagans analogy about the Tesseract when it's about dimensions. That each physical dimension is sort of like a shadow cast from a higher dimension. About your idea that 4th D is inside the cube, that would be in alignment with a Tesseract. Not sure though about having understood you about the space inside. Wouldn't the 3 dimensions XYZ already provide the domain/dimension intrinsically by itself? Like, a line is many 1D dots in a row, making up the 2nd dimension. A 3D object is just 2D lines that are aligned in a 3rd dimension.

A 4D object, therefor IMHO, would stack another dimension to this, incorporating the first three dimensions. Sort of like an imaginary number in a 2D graph that makes up a third dimension. So we went from dot to line to object that occupies space to additional information. Why information? Because we can not extract anything from the 4th dimension. It's an intrinsic concept that we can not.

Your idea is interesting though, would you describe time as another dimension or more like a modifier (negative positive)



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 04:59 AM
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Mathematics is where I get lost. Theoretical maths along with the quantum this and that is, well, theory, a creation of the intellect. That a lot of mathematicians can think in terms of mathematics makes it a collective; an egregore. To me at least anyway.

The 6D model is a practical navigational model for me, and others use it too. A fairy taught me to think in 6D when it fed me to a chimney worm. The inside of the worm's mind is infinate in size and just grey. I was inside the worm, and wanted to be outside the worm. It took an hour or two until I realised I had to think in the 6D model and use relative positioning to get out of the worm. So I know that there are things we can call infinate closed spaces such as the mind of a worm.The interior of a drop of water can be infinate in size, yet the outside dimensions are a few millimeters.

In the world of the fairy, surfaces are two dimensional objects having length and width. The surface of a pond for instance. To the wood-nymph and fairy the surface of the pond lays between the air and water. So one might say the pond's surface is 10 meters in length and 10 meters in width, with zero height. For the wood-nymphs and faires teh surface is a window to other realms. "Boundary" is another word one may use instead of "window".

The 6D model lends itself to navigating consciousness very well.

The idea of "infinate oneness" works well in a collective closed space such as the religious or philosophical egregore. However one can get stuck in one of those things. How does one get out of the concept of "god is all"?

On the other hand, at least where I am familiar, consciousness comprises of individuals and individual networks. Networks can be connected with other networks. The analogy of the computer networking is very similar. So much so that I have the suspicion that consciousness was the inspiration behind it.

Geez I waffle on sometimes.


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posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 08:18 AM
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would you describe time as another dimension or more like a modifier (negative positive)


"Time", for me at least, is one of those words humans use to describe something. I have to use the word "time" as there is no suitable alternative that I am aware of.

"Motion" is perhaps the best choice, I think it is more practical than "time".

In that video, we see the past as the trails illustrating motion. If we calculate the speed of the sun's motion according to a clock or other measure, we can know where the sun was yesterday. Indeed we can plot the sun's entire history as a line through 3 dimensional space. If we could view the sun where it was yesterday we would logically see the sun as it was then. The earth would be there and if one could zoom in, we would see people where they were then at that time.

In the video, in a sense we do not see where the sun is tomorrow, only where it is now. The mathematition can calculate where the sun will be tomorrow or a million years from now. But that is calculations within probability. I once saw into the future briefly and humans disappeared from planet earth by 200 years from now. One would initially think that humans died out. They didn't. What happened was the mind who showed me the future couldn't calculate the movements of humans further than 200 years. The humans disappeared because they could not be predicted further is my understanding.

So to my mind at least, the past should be navigateable, but not the future. To my understanding the future and visions of the future are actually calculations of a mind. Therefore prophecy is likely to be a concept that is cultivated over time in the minds of many people into a collective reality. Probably with a dedicated support network to keep the prophecy alive and on course. Or rather people on course to fulfill the prophecy.

Oh and the Evenz-Wentz book can be bought as a paper book, or can be found on-line for a free download. The copyright has expired.

I understand it was a work from Steiner's Anthroposophical perspective. With the developement of the intellectual mind in humanity, the peasant mind (as Steiner called it) was disappearing along with the natural instincts and internal knowing of the "simple folk".

Quite a good book in my opinion, and a valueable one at that.

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posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 09:12 AM
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In keeping with the topic “New Science”

Here’s an interesting short article written Apr 2022

Time Might Not Exist, According to Physicists

…..”Time in quantum gravity…….One of the remarkable aspects of loop quantum gravity is that it appears to eliminate time entirely. Loop quantum gravity is not alone in abolishing time: a number of other approaches also seem to remove time as a fundamental aspect of reality.“…….

…..”Emergent time…..So we know we need a new physical theory to explain the universe, and that this theory might not feature time. Suppose such a theory turns out to be correct. Would it follow that time does not exist? It’s complicated, and it depends what we mean by exist.”…..”So unless we can come up with a good account of how time emerges, it is not clear we can simply assume time exists.Time might not exist at any level.”….

…..”Business as usual…..There is a way out of the mess. While physics might eliminate time, it seems to leave causation intact: the sense in which one thing can bring about another. Perhaps what physics is telling us, then, is that causation and not time is the basic feature of our universe.”….

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posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 10:35 AM
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That’s if he told the story exactly.
He may have just incidentally left out ufo or alien stuff in retelling the story.

The point is he knew who to ask—a member of the Joint Chiefs, who today as well, would definitely know about any street stuff, ufo crashes, or aliens.

The disinformation lore always pretends there is some group somewhere with the secrets coming out of the MJ 12 bogus documents taking attention away from the groups that would know any real secrets.

Valle and his books do the same thing by insinuating there's some secret onion away from the official US gov.

Also, you have the Greer and others' nonsense about super secret sap programs---another misdirection likely.

Nonsense, IMO.

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posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 10:44 AM
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I’ll agree that there is a high probability, if not all, then at a minimum, at least one of the joint chiefs of staff should be in the know, but of course can neither confirm nor deny to his participation in the secrecy ….to the general public.

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posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 11:10 AM
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It's only logical the JCS would know. They go back to 1945 and managed operation paperclip and obviously were in on the Manhattan project; why wouldn’t they know all the alien/ufo secrets? They are at the top of any military activity relating to everything.


I never thought about that myself until I read Anne Jacobson’s Operation Paperclip. If they’re going to manage German alien scientists, it's clear if there were any alien/ufo events, it would go through them. The JCS rules every damn military thing through sub-committees.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 12:02 PM
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Well perhaps General John W. "Jay" Raymond will be the guy in the know now…..

United States Space Force Chief of Staff



Annnnnnnnd the Alien secrecy continues……

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posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 04:06 PM
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No, I'm talking more about software programs.

The latest is a concept called Stable Diffusion, which creates AI Generated Art based on imput prompts.

The original designers are having their project corrupted by kids bypassing the vulgarity protocols and branching offshoots of the program to create all sorts of profane and pornographic images. And I'm not talking simple nudie pics, I'm talking about some very twisted and disgusting abominations.

The kids are very quick and keen on technologies, but they're also without a moral sense or any sort of ethical disciplines and they'll take the most innocuous thing and turn it into something violent, perverse or both.

Not to mention doxxing, hacking and all sorts of other nefarious things on the net.

The kids today aren't using their smarts to help humanity, but rather to satisfy their perversions and bizzare sexual fascinations, and then exploit it for profit. Kids aren't the only ones doing this of course, but the more time I spend on the internet, the more I see and randomly run across and bear witness to, the less faith I have that Intelligent Life would ever want to contact us, or give us technologies that would radically help humanity as a whole.

If they do, it will be a select few who don't abuse and pervert the original intended purpose of the gifts.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 04:23 PM
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The latest is a concept called Stable Diffusion, which creates AI Generated Art based on imput prompts

Oh like the MidJourney graphical intelligence? That's how I got to my avatar
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The original designers are having their project corrupted by kids bypassing the vulgarity protocols and branching offshoots of the program to create all sorts of profane and pornographic images. And I'm not talking simple nudie pics, I'm talking about some very twisted and disgusting abominations.

That's sick. But it started a lot earlier than just currently. I think it was around 2012 or so. Worked in confectionary and we also had apprentices. One of them had the worst kind of sodomizing stuff on his phone, things I do not want to word out here. I came to notice that when we were sitting in the break room and suddenly I hear moaning. Not only were they totally obtuse about us other women in the room, they also commented on it. Stuff you do not even want to hear. We told him if we see or hear this # one more time again, we are going to report him to the authorities because WHO KNOWS what else he has on that phone. Went chalk white that 16 year old. Totally obtuse that the stuff on his phone is sodomy and not normal but sick. That it is not normal to find such stuff attractive. His excuse was he got it from friends, yeah well but that's not an excuse, that's just an explanation.

A year later he did something terrible in the business school, tried it a second time and went to prison for it. We never saw him again.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 05:51 PM
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Maybe. I would think any space force would definitely need to know. Of course, after he went through almost a masonic pledge to keep quiet or else.

One gets weary being an old ufo buff of the perennial don't know anything, must only believe.

What it does do is makes us certain they will never fess up.
The newbies and their new energy are in for a letdown after going into the proverbial ufo circles.

Makes one think they did all this TTSA UAP obsession injection just to show them there's nothing there...And after all this and NASA jumping on the bandwagon-- which, If I were a billion would bet it all that NASA will come up with NADA.

But maybe, just maybe something interesting will happen, there's always hope.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 07:48 PM
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The article's content doesn't surprise me. What did surprise me is; it was easy to understand ; )



…..”Emergent time…..So we know we need a new physical theory to explain the universe, and that this theory might not feature time. Suppose such a theory turns out to be correct. Would it follow that time does not exist? It’s complicated, and it depends what we mean by exist.”…..”So unless we can come up with a good account of how time emerges, it is not clear we can simply assume time exists.Time might not exist at any level.”….


They created the clock so civilisation works efficiently. For example: if bus drivers could not tell what time it is, the transport industry would not work. Nor would offices and factories work. A simple concept.

In a way, getting rid of time makes way for new concepts and ways of doing things. Time has become an inconvienient fact : )

If I were to translate the above paragraph into terms of practical application within the realm of consciousness, an example would be how "entities" (Beings) come into existence. Basically: they have to become geometric. That is to say; they have to enter into basic dimensions. Motion must also be inherited for location. So for an "entity" such as a chair to manefest, it needs 3 dimensions and to inherit the earth's motion. Otherwise the chair would not be here with us now; the chair would be else-when or not at all. Motion/time is really important.

"Entities" (in the paranormal sense) can get away with just 3 dimensions. Inside and outside gives them a boundary - a sense of self. The "me" and what is not "me". They must have the dimension of inherited motion to ride along with the earth.

Proving the non-existance of time might give freedom from the dimension of motion. Imagine if something or someone could intellegently engage and disengage with the "inherited fields of motion". If one could disengage a human from the spin of the earth we would watch him move away from us at 460 meters per second, or roughly 1,000 miles per hour. He would go "splat" on the first tall building he encountered.

Put that into UFO terms where an intellegence could engage and disengage all the inherited "fields" at will we could account for the physics defying acrobatics of the UFO, no need for propulsion.

Alien secrecy should end because any new science and tech can only help.

New science and technology can also go horribly wrong.




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