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'Conspiracy Author' David Icke Banned From EU, Labeled A "Terrorist"

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posted on Nov, 10 2022 @ 09:40 AM
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We are still waiting to see proof that Icke is a holocaust denier, anti-semitic, and for everything he is accused.


Who's this we???
The evidence is there for you to see, you've just chosen to ignore it and make no comments on his books?
Icke clearly states in his book "And the Truth Shall Set you Free" Why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? By definition this is anti-semitic.



Your last little paragraph is exceptional!!


Why thank you very much...

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posted on Nov, 10 2022 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3




We are still waiting to see proof that Icke is a holocaust denier, anti-semitic, and for everything he is accused.


Who's this we???
The evidence is there for you to see, you've just chosen to ignore it.
Icke clearly states in his book "And the Truth Shall Set you Free" Why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? By definition this is anti-semitic.



Your last little paragraph is exceptional!!


Why thank you very much...


I am sure you can initiate legal proceedings and take him to court with all the very strong evidence you have...

Why? I think you don't read anything!
It's below the statement.



Your last little paragraph is exceptional!!
You think that Icke has to answer to every keyboard warrior or any random individual who makes unsubstantiated accusations?! Or that because he hasn't taken them to court this is an admission of guilt?!


You still haven't realised where the burden of proof is and how much and hood evidence one must have to make these allegations.
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posted on Nov, 10 2022 @ 09:53 AM
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I am sure you can initiate legal proceedings and take him to court with all the very strong evidence you have...

The evidence isn't "mine", it's in Ickes own books that proves his anti-semitism


Why? I think you don't read anything!
It's below the statement.


I see you have resorted to insults because you've failed in your arguments as usual..



posted on Nov, 10 2022 @ 10:12 AM
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originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3



I am sure you can initiate legal proceedings and take him to court with all the very strong evidence you have...

The evidence isn't "mine", it's in Ickes own books that proves his anti-semitism


Why? I think you don't read anything!
It's below the statement.


I see you have resorted to insults because you've failed in your arguments as usual..


I am afraid you are wrong again.

You claimed that Icke is a holocaust denier.
You claimed that he is anti-semitic.

You need proof for these statements & claims. It is you who needs to provide the evidence and prove that he is what you are accusing him to be.

Still you don't understand where the burden of proof is. He doesn't have to prove that he is not guilty . He doesn't even have to answer any of these accusations. He can simply ignore them and I suppose he has been doing so for a long period of time.

It is you who has to provide the evidence and prove your claims.
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posted on Nov, 10 2022 @ 10:27 AM
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I am afraid to are wing again.

I think your translator or something is broke my friend...


You claimed that Icke is a holocaust denier.
You claimed that he is anti-semitic.

You need proof for these statements & claims. It is you who needs to provide the evidence and prove that he is what you are accusing him to be.

Still you don't understand where the burden of proof is. He doesn't have to prove that he is not guilty . He doesn't even have to answer any of these accusations. He can simply ignore them and I suppose he has been doing so for a long period of time.

It is you who has to provide the evidence and prove your claims.


By ignoring the fact that Icke stated in his own book "And the Truth Shall Set you Free" "Why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War?" is all the proof needed then there's also his comments about "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" .
Do you even know what the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" are or what they stood for?
You can't just ignore the parts you don't understand or don't want to see and keep posting the same question over and over.
Please educate yourself on what the accepted International definition of anti-semitism is when it comes to denying the holocaust.
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posted on Nov, 10 2022 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3



I am afraid to are wing again.

I think your translator or something is broke my friend...


You claimed that Icke is a holocaust denier.
You claimed that he is anti-semitic.

You need proof for these statements & claims. It is you who needs to provide the evidence and prove that he is what you are accusing him to be.

Still you don't understand where the burden of proof is. He doesn't have to prove that he is not guilty . He doesn't even have to answer any of these accusations. He can simply ignore them and I suppose he has been doing so for a long period of time.

It is you who has to provide the evidence and prove your claims.


By ignoring the fact that Icke stated in his own book "And the Truth Shall Set you Free" "Why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War?" is all the proof needed then there's also his comments about "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" .
Do you even know what the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" are or what they stood for?
You can't just ignore the parts you don't understand or don't want to see and keep posting the same question over and over.
Please educate yourself on what the accepted International definition of anti-semitism is when it comes to denying the holocaust.


Still we are waiting for you to provide evidence that David Icke is a holocaust denier and he is anti-semitic.

What you have written is just word salad and nothing remotely to evidence.

You need to prove your claims.

Or there is another option I was thinking about.
Probably to ask Icke to come to these threads and discuss your accusations or any other questions that others may ask him.

I am sure you need to come up with something else apart from referring to the 'Protocols' and all other desperate attempts you are making that prove nothing other than your inability to support your claims.

I would like for once more to alert you as to what consists libel, defamation & slander. You need to look at the dictionary before making a range of allegations so easily.
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posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 12:47 AM
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a reply to: ArMaP

That`s true, He wasn't.



posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 06:14 AM
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I see you're still not understanding why his comments criticizing society for suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War in his book "And the Truth Shall Set you Free" is deemed as anti-semitism by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.


INTERNATIONAL DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM from IHRA

* Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
*Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.


You may also wish to educate yourself on what and how Protocols of the Elders of Zion were created and used, and Icke's claims about this fake document because it's obvious from your comments you may not understand them and what they were used for?



I would like for once more to alert you as to what consists libel, defamation & slander. You need to look at the dictionary before making a range of allegations so easily.

I know for a fact here I have nothing to worry about as there are plenty of websites who talk about Ickes ant-semitism, you should reading a few of them???

I think i'll use your term here. All you've done for the last page or so is repeat your "word salad" and haven't made any comments about Ickes statements in his book or his belief in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I wonder why??



posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 06:17 AM
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originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I see you're still not understanding why his comments criticizing society for suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War in his book "And the Truth Shall Set you Free" is deemed as anti-semitism by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.


INTERNATIONAL DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM from IHRA

* Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
*Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.


You may also wish to educate yourself on what and how Protocols of the Elders of Zion were created and used, and Icke's claims about this fake document because it's obvious from your comments you may not understand them and what they were used for?



I would like for once more to alert you as to what consists libel, defamation & slander. You need to look at the dictionary before making a range of allegations so easily.

I know for a fact here I have nothing to worry about as there are plenty of websites who talk about Ickes ant-semitism, you should reading a few of them???

I think i'll use your term here. All you've done for the last page or so is repeat your "word salad" and haven't made any comments about Ickes statements in his book or his belief in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I wonder why??


I see that you are still unable to substantiate your claims that Icke is a holocaust denier and that he engages in anti-semitism.

Nothing surprising though.
As usual your unsubstantiated claims have been refuted.

Did you say there are plenty of websites that talk about Icke's anti-semitism?! And?!
And there are plenty of websites that talk about pink unicorns and giant space monsters...
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posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: Asmodeus3
I see you're still refusing to see or understand this or Ickes claims on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Just to help educate you....



They were translated into German, French, English, and other European languages and soon came to be a classic of anti-Semitic literature. In the United States Henry Ford’s private newspaper, Dearborn Independent, often cited them as evidence of a Jewish threat.

This proves Icke's comments about the 2nd World War as it pertains to this, are proof enough of his anti-semitism.


INTERNATIONAL DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM from IHRA

* Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
*Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.


So please point to were the you've refuted this, or is it just because you say so...



posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3
I see you're still refusing to see or understand this or Ickes claims on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Just to help educate you....



They were translated into German, French, English, and other European languages and soon came to be a classic of anti-Semitic literature. In the United States Henry Ford’s private newspaper, Dearborn Independent, often cited them as evidence of a Jewish threat.

This proves Icke's comments about the 2nd World War as it pertains to this, are proof enough of his anti-semitism.


INTERNATIONAL DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM from IHRA

* Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
*Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.


So please point to were the you've refuted this, or is it just because you say so...


You are going in cycles proving nothing and only exposing your arguments and claims further.

So.. do you have any evidence that Icke is a holocaust denier? Or that he engages in anti-semitism? So far nothing.

Your arguments are in a turmoil as usual.

I am thinking whether we should invite Icke in these threads to answer your accusations...
That would be a spectacle to watch. He is a nice chap and hasn't taken anyone to court yet for the slander remarks, libel & defamation.
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posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 09:21 AM
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You're just running in circles with your claims of no evidence and choosing to ignore whats posted.



So.. do you have any evidence that Icke is a holocaust denier?

I see you're completely ignoring these comments, and that Icke has denied the facts pertaining to the invents of WW2.



This proves Icke's comments about the 2nd World War as it pertains to this, proof enough of his anti-semitism.

INTERNATIONAL DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM from IHRA
* Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
*Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

You make no attempt at proving this wrong but instead just keep claiming "I don't see any evidence" like a stuck record.



I am thinking whether we should invite Icke in these threads to answer your accusations...
That would be a spectacle to watch. He is a nice chap and hasn't taken anyone to court yet for the slander remarks, libel & defamation.

You go right ahead and invite him as you seem like a big fan of him and his agenda. He can't and won't take anyone to court because he'd be proven wrong and an anti-semite.

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posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

You're just running in circles with your claims of no evidence and choosing to ignore whats posted.



So.. do you have any evidence that Icke is a holocaust denier?

I see you're completely ignoring these comments, and that Icke has denied the facts pertaining to the invents of WW2.



This proves Icke's comments about the 2nd World War as it pertains to this, proof enough of his anti-semitism.

INTERNATIONAL DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM from IHRA
* Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
*Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

You make no attempt at proving this wrong but instead just keep claiming "I don't see any evidence" like a stuck record.



I am thinking whether we should invite Icke in these threads to answer your accusations...
That would be a spectacle to watch. He is a nice chap and hasn't taken anyone to court yet for the slander remarks, libel & defamation.

You go right ahead and invite him as you seem like a big fan of him and his agenda. He can't and won't take anyone to court because he'd be proven wrong and an anti-semite.


If you have any evidence that he is a holocaust denier or anti-semitic then it's up to you to prove it as you made the claims.

But still you have nothing.

He seems to be a nice chap and doesn't take seriously the various slander attempts around.
He doesn't have to prove his 'innocence'. It is those who accuse him that need to prove he is guilty of whatever charge.

I am not aware that the has been indicted and subsequently convicted in the past. I don't think he has ever been arrested for anything.

Hence you have nothing apart from your personal opinion as to why he isn't allowed in Holland.

Yes, it will be great to have him here so he can answer you and refute your claims that have already been refuted several times. Unless you think you have a case...



posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 10:47 AM
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I never heard Icke be a holocaust denier. But he is pro-Palestinian, and today they wrongly conflate anti-Zionism and anti-Israeli government acts with antisemitism. An absurd notion.

So, anyone criticizing the fascist Israeli government is antisemitic in many quarters in the West, where the AIPAC influence is strong.



posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 11:01 AM
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If you have any evidence that he is a holocaust denier or anti-semitic then it's up to you to prove it as you made the claims.

It seems you have some trouble reading and understanding english if you don't understand what the INTERNATIONAL DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM means??
And obviously ignoring this and and his comments in his book and just posting "you have nothing" shows you don't have any arguement against this.



He seems to be a nice chap and doesn't take seriously the various slander attempts around.
He doesn't have to prove his 'innocence'. It is those who accuse him that need to prove he is guilty of whatever charge.

I don't know him personally, but have know people who used his website and they don't have good things to say about him or his site either, but you seem to agree with his claims??



He doesn't have to prove his 'innocence'. It is those who accuse him that need to prove he is guilty of whatever charge.

If he took people to court (like you say he should) over slander or libel then he would need to prove his innocence, which is why he doesn't and won't.
Instead of just saying "you're refuted" how about proving my claims are incorrect and that Icke never wrote those comments in his book??
If you post again and can't prove that, then you're obviously just trolling ATS and actually can't refute the accusations.


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posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3



If you have any evidence that he is a holocaust denier or anti-semitic then it's up to you to prove it as you made the claims.

It seems you have some trouble reading and understanding english if you don't understand what the INTERNATIONAL DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM means??
And obviously ignoring this and and his comments in his book and just posting "you have nothing" shows you don't have any arguement against this.



He seems to be a nice chap and doesn't take seriously the various slander attempts around.
He doesn't have to prove his 'innocence'. It is those who accuse him that need to prove he is guilty of whatever charge.

I don't know him personally, but have know people who used his website and they don't have good things to say about him or his site either, but you seem to agree with his claims??



He doesn't have to prove his 'innocence'. It is those who accuse him that need to prove he is guilty of whatever charge.

If he took people to court (like you say he should) over slander or libel then he would need to prove his innocence, which is why he doesn't and won't.
Instead of just saying "you're refuted" how about proving my claims are incorrect and that Icke never wrote those comments in his book??
If you post again and can't prove that, then you're obviously just trolling ATS and actually can't refute the accusations.



Clearly you don't know what you are talking about!!

If Icke takes people to court for Libel and Slander then those who accusing him and slandering him have to prove that their accusations are true.

You said:


If he took people to court (like you say he should) over slander or libel then he would need to prove his innocence




That's from your own country of origin

www.carruthers-law.co.uk...#:~:text=It%20is%20presumed%20that%20the,more%20probably%20occurred%20tha n%20not.


Libel and Slander

If accused of defamation an individual will have to prove what they have said or written is true. The usual burden of proof is therefore reversed in defamation cases, with the defendant having to prove their case.


Clearly you don't even understand the basics so I will alert you again not to make libelous and defamatory statements online.

For once more your argument has been refuted as you have claimed something which not only isn't true but it's more of a science fiction scenario.

Now if you excuse me...



posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 11:39 AM
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So you post again and completely ignore what I've posted concerning his book and his comments about the official story of WW2 and the holocaust, also his support of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" being a real document and not a fake.



Clearly you don't even understand the basics so I will alert you again not to make libelous and defamatory statements online.

It's clearly you who doesn't understand here...
Laws on slander
And also..
U.K. Government - antisemitism


However, for those seeking a definition of antisemitism, the UK’s College of Policing does include a working definition of antisemitism in their guidance to police forces in the UK. The full guidance is available from their website here and the definition is reproduced in full here:



*Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the
ands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).Accusing the
Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.



Like I said instead of just saying "refuted", how about you prove Icke didn't make those comments in his book. Like I said before, you can't/won't and are obviously just trolling.
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posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

So you post again and completely ignore what I've posted concerning his book and his comments about the official story of WW2 and the holocaust, also his support of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" being a real document and not a fake.



Clearly you don't even understand the basics so I will alert you again not to make libelous and defamatory statements online.

It's clearly you who doesn't understand here...
Laws on slander

U.K. Government


However, for those seeking a definition of antisemitism, the UK’s College of Policing does include a working definition of antisemitism in their guidance to police forces in the UK. The full guidance is available from their website here and the definition is reproduced in full here:



*Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the
ands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).Accusing the
Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.


Like I said instead of just saying "refuted", how about you prove Icke didn't make those comments in his book. Like I said before, you can't/won't and are obviously just trolling ATS.


Let me again remind you what you said:


If he took people to court (like you say he should) over slander or libel then he would need to prove his innocence, which is why he doesn't and won't.



Let's see what the one of the law firms says and it's from your country, the UK.

www.carruthers-law.co.uk...#:~:text=It%20is%20presumed%20that%20the,more%20probably%20occurred%20tha n%20not.


Libel and Slander

If accused of defamation an individual will have to prove what they have said or written is true. The usual burden of proof is therefore reversed in defamation cases, with the defendant having to prove their case.



Furthermore


It is presumed that the defamatory statement is false, so the burden of proof is placed on the defendant to prove it is not. The defendant will have to prove this on the balance of probabilities i.e. that the fact in issue more probably occurred than not



So your argument is refuted beyond any doubt.

I find it hilarious that you expect those accused to disprove potential libel and defamation against them. When it is the other way around. You are innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is reversed in defamation cases if you haven't realised it yet and as seen in law (unless you claim that the law firm is wrong... )

So you are accusing Icke of being a holocaust denier and an anti-semitic individual. Prove it then.
You also claim that this is the reason he is not allowed in Holland or at least one of the reasons.

The good thing is what you write remains and cannot be changed after a few hours.
It would be great for Icke to comment here.

So my question again to you and take some advise before you answer it.

Is David Icke a holocaust denier?
Is David Icke anti-semitic?





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posted on Nov, 11 2022 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: peaceinoutz
I never heard Icke be a holocaust denier. But he is pro-Palestinian, and today they wrongly conflate anti-Zionism and anti-Israeli government acts with antisemitism. An absurd notion.

So, anyone criticizing the fascist Israeli government is antisemitic in many quarters in the West, where the AIPAC influence is strong.



I don't think either that David Icke is a holocaust denier or anti-semitic. There is no evidence in regards to these claims and accusations.







 
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