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posted on Oct, 28 2022 @ 06:52 AM
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a reply to: 19Bones79

I'm also going to get deep into the economic side of this. Just a little.

Between 1945 and 1969, the US had well established science, engineering and technology sectors well funded by the government and already existing corporations, not owned or founded by mostly Jewish business people.

The arts, media, journalism, health and wellness care, "Hollywood" etc. We're heavily under represented by government or corporate interest. It was a market left untapped and left for basically immigrants to fill.

After ww2 film and media basically died in europe because of the vacuum left by the purging of jews who historically ran most of the arts in media in and brought what they knew best into America where leisure television and big screen productions were still in their early stages.
That's perhaps why there's a heavy Jewish influence on media and Hollywood in the US, not because of some big grand scheme.

And it goes even deeper than that, in Europe since jews weren't allowed to thrive in industrial development they sought out other avenues to thrive in.

It's about the conditions you're dealt with. And it just so happened Jewish communities were pushed into those fields because of the conditions they had to deal with.



posted on Oct, 28 2022 @ 07:11 AM
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a reply to: 19Bones79

I did. And its irrelevant to what I was saying. I was talking about global influence, not just the US.
On a global scale Jewish influence is juat as much as Chinese or Russian, or British. If not far, far less.



posted on Oct, 28 2022 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: strongfp


Amazing how you just sidestep everything I post.


Do you know what happened in 1910 at Jekyll Island?

Have you ever heard of the Aldrich Plan?




Jekyll Island was the location of a meeting in November 1910 in which draft legislation was written to create a central banking system for the United States. Following the Panic of 1907, banking reform became a major issue in the United States. Senator Nelson Aldrich (R-RI), chairman of the National Monetary Commission, went to Europe for almost two years to study that continent's banking systems. Upon his return, he brought together many of the country's leading financiers to Jekyll Island to discuss monetary policy and the banking system, drafting legislation which was introduced in Congress as the "Aldrich Plan". Some ideas from the Aldrich Plan were later incorporated into the Federal Reserve Act.



-Wikipedia


Nelson Aldrich was, of course, Jewish.


He met under very secret circumstances with some very powerful men:




On the evening of November 22, 1910, Sen. Aldrich and A.P. Andrews (Assistant Secretary of the United States Treasury Department), Paul Warburg (a naturalized German representing Kuhn, Loeb & Co.), Frank A. Vanderlip (president of the National City Bank of New York), Henry P. Davison (senior partner of J. P. Morgan Company), Charles D. Norton (president of the Morgan-dominated First National Bank of New York), and Benjamin Strong (representing J. P. Morgan), together representing about one fourth the world's wealth at the time, left Hoboken, New Jersey on a train in complete secrecy, dropping their last names in favor of first names, or code names, so no one would discover who they all were. The excuse for such powerful representatives and wealth was to go on a duck hunting trip on Jekyll Island.




-Wikipedia


List of people involved :

Abram Piatt Andrew Jr.
Paul Warburg
Frank Vanderlip
Henry Davison
Charles Norton
Benjamin Strong

(Representing 1/4 of the world's wealth at the time)




Forbes magazine founder Bertie Charles Forbes wrote several years later:

Picture a party of the nation's greatest bankers stealing out of New York on a private railroad car under cover of darkness, stealthily riding hundreds of miles South, embarking on a mysterious launch, sneaking onto an island deserted by all but a few servants, living there a full week under such rigid secrecy that the names of not one of them was once mentioned, lest the servants learn the identity and disclose to the world this strangest, most secret expedition in the history of American finance. I am not romancing; I am giving to the world, for the first time, the real story of how the famous Aldrich currency report, the foundation of our new currency system, was written ... The utmost secrecy was enjoined upon all. The public must not glean a hint of what was to be done. Senator Aldrich notified each one to go quietly into a private car of which the railroad had received orders to draw up on an unfrequented platform. Off the party set. New York's ubiquitous reporters had been foiled ... Nelson (Aldrich) had confided to Henry, Frank, Paul and Piatt that he was to keep them locked up at Jekyll Island, out of the rest of the world, until they had evolved and compiled a scientific currency system for the United States, the real birth of the present Federal Reserve System, the plan done on Jekyll Island in the conference with Paul, Frank and Henry ... Warburg is the link that binds the Aldrich system and the present system together. He more than any one man has made the system possible as a working reality.[7]



Even before that Andrew Jackson had this to say about the bankers:



"The bold effort the present (central) bank had made to control the government . . . are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it."

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves."




posted on Oct, 28 2022 @ 08:10 AM
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a reply to: 19Bones79

It doesn't matter if the person chosen to spearhead the formation of central banking in the US had Jewish ancestry. My point about bringing central banking as a Anglo/ Dutch invention is the same as you saying Google is a Jewish invention because of Larry page, so does that mean we should hold all central banking shenanigans on English and Dutch people?

And a rqwll regulated central banking system is the backbone of what made modern society. If you think it's a bad thing then you clearly don't understand how debt and capitalism work. You know, the two things that made the modern world? That saved America?
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posted on Oct, 28 2022 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: 19Bones79




It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.



-Ron Paul




Von Pein’s family was a little known, but highly influential entity within American banking circles. Banking Royalty, some called it. His grandfather had been one of the chief orchestrators of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which effectively took ownership of the bank from the American people.



-James Morcan




By loaning banks money for no interest, you’re really letting them into the casinos with the house’s money, aren’t you?



-Kenneth Eade





Inflation is taxation without representation.



-James Kesterson





A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilised world — no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.



-Woodrow Wilson





The Federal Reserve is an independent agency. And that means basically that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take. So long as that is in place, and there is no evidence that the administration, or congress, or anybody else is requesting that we do things other than what we think is the appropriate thing, then what the relationships are don't frankly matter. And I've had very good relationship with presidents.



-Alan Greenspan





Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce.



-James Garfield





Sneaky and underhanded, the Federal Reserve has been sucking the life blood out of the United States since 1913. Like a black widow spider, it weaves a web of corruption and deceit. Unknown to its prey, the FED's bite is poisonous, deep, long-lasting and brings financial upheaval and misery to Americans.



-Jim McCarthy



I could post a hundred more but I think you get the idea.



posted on Oct, 28 2022 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: strongfp


We could certainly go back and forth the whole day but it's evident at this point that neither of us will budge from our position.


Regardless, I want to thank you keeping the chat civil.







posted on Oct, 28 2022 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: 19Bones79

What's your point are you trying to suggest that central banking is a Jewish plot?

It doesn't matter if you don't like regulated central banks or have these libertarian unregulated free market wet dreams, the reason why central banks are a necessary "evil" is because banking and centralization inevitably happens with or without free market pressures.
It's better to put in place a central bank than to let mafia like banks run amuck on a nation's or geographic locations economy.
That is exactly why a central bank was introduced into the US because it was in constant cycles of booms and busts and had to constantly rely on mega tycoon millionaires to bail out the nation. And history has shown that people need regulation to a certain extent when it comes to settling debts and contracts, otherwise it'll just work itself out and you'll have thousands of micro currencies floating around and inevitably conflicts.



posted on Oct, 28 2022 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: strongfp





What's your point are you trying to suggest that central banking is a Jewish plot?




I'm posting facts.

It's up to the individual to draw their own conclusions, if any.





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posted on Oct, 28 2022 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: 19Bones79

You're cherry picking. And once upon a time a political party of the national socialist type was just "stating facts" as well.

ATS doesn't get many Jewish centric threads that last this long. You squirmed your way around the topic quite nicely.

Good luck!



posted on Oct, 28 2022 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: strongfp


This is a conspiracy website, I'm discussing a conspiracy.

I don't see anything wrong with that.


Good luck to you as well!



posted on Oct, 29 2022 @ 12:45 AM
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a reply to: 19Bones79

Interesting thoughts from Kanye as relayed through your OP, haven't watched the interview yet but noticed the discussion and the direction it's gone, thought I'd chime in and offer my thoughts on the matter.

Interesting, and much of what he alleges is true, except for the "Jewish dominated" part. As far as NWO style globalism goes, ethnic or religious Jewish people play little part in the overall scheme of things as far as I can tell. Some of those families are Jewish, sure, but most are not.

In support of that I would submit the damning historical quotes you have submitted on the last page or two, not one of them which contains the passage: "and it's all because of the Jews!!!" That's because it's not, and those men probably knew that.

Jim Marrs's work provides a good deal of evidence that refutes an "it's all the Jews" type of claim. See "Rise Of The Fourth Reich", where the successful exfiltration of the Nazi industrial apparatus at the end of World War II which persists to this day was most certainly not a Jewish operation, and most certainly has a big part to play in NWO type globalism as we know of it.

You can also refer to "Rule By Secrecy" by Jim Marrs, where he chronicles the history of secret rulers back to the earliest historical records. There are some Jewish players in those chronicles, but not many.

The Khazarian mob and Khazarian Jews figure into Jewish association with nefarious plots, and are perhaps not even Jewish themselves ethnically, but converted historically for some reason. Something like that. Can't remember all the details, so I won't try to expand on it other than to mention it, to avoid commenting ignorantly.

The globalists would certainly like us to think it's all a Jewish plot, though in reality it is not. It's a transnational plot with a few Jewish players.

Israel, and the Zionist philosophy that created it, also contributes significantly to this perception I think. I would guess most NWO type globalists would strongly support any type of Zionist type revolutionary movement, as long as they play ball. The fact that Israel has strong globalist support likely contributes to this perception of a Jewish-centric plot.



posted on Oct, 29 2022 @ 03:02 AM
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a reply to: TheBadCabbie

Thank you for your thoughtful post.





In support of that I would submit the damning historical quotes you have submitted on the last page or two, not one of them which contains the passage: "and it's all because of the Jews!!!"




"and it's all because of the Jews!!!" is exactly what I wasn't saying.

I mentioned a small elite.

And the names involved in capturing the United States financially surely must stand out to you.

Do you honestly think that's a pure coincidence?

I also said that to think that all successful Jewish people were involved would be disingenuous on my part.

I believe the people I am talking about are Khazarian and Zionist.

I'm aware of how sensitive this subject is to all Jewish people so much so that the moment they read my OP they would almost certainly close the door on the possibility and even label me as someone that hates Jewish people.

So how does one broach the subject without them thinking you're a nazi sympathizer(at the very least) and without them turning their backs on the possibility that perhaps the same people who created the Abrahamic religions as a method of control are in charge of modern day banking and they run the show?

For an inquisitive people they seem shut out any possibility that some elitist part of their culture has successfully come to dominate the entire planet.


As for the writings of Jim Marrs, I'm off to look for it, thank you for bringing it to my attention.


One thing is for certain.

If my views ever change on this subject, you can be damn sure I'll write an extensive OP about it which will also contain the best apology I can put on paper.

I remain open to other's input but quite frankly the discussion I had with the other poster just felt like defensive measures on his part.


I don't need to be right on this, and if new information comes to light that sways my opinion I am certainly not afraid to instantly change my viewpoint and to let others know that I was wrong.


Thank you for pointing me in a new direction and potential discovery.

I remain open to learn.




posted on Oct, 29 2022 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: 19Bones79

As to how to broach the topic, I like the segue of 'well he's wrong about it being all the Jews, but he's absolutely right about the rest of it! It's actually a group of elites of many nationalities...'

Another link to Jews being blamed for bad globalism comes from an older work, "Protocols Of The elders Of Zion" I think it was called. 19th or early 20th century publication, can't remember exactly. Considered to be a work of fiction, but was widely read and accepted as truth at the time, and supposedly contributed to much anti-semitism. Basically lays out a plot for world domination, I think they threw in some black magic or eating babies kind of stuff, and attempts to link it all to the Jewish people and faith.

As to the names, sure, Warburg is a Jewish name, but none of the others are as far as I know. There were other prominent Jews in central banking history, but they were only a small part of the bigger apparatus which was/is not Jewish created or dominated.



posted on Oct, 29 2022 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: TheBadCabbie




Protocols Of The elders Of Zion" I think it was called.



I take it you've read this thing?



posted on Oct, 30 2022 @ 12:36 AM
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Ye, ex-Kanye chillin out and speaking on the positive




posted on Oct, 30 2022 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: 19Bones79

I have not. Marrs goes into some detail on it in "Rule By Secrecy". He traces secret leadership back through history, starting at near present. The contents of it and its sourcing are written of there, perhaps not exhaustively, but somewhat extensively I could say. Marrs notes that it had a measure of influence on popular culture of the times during which it was published and widely circulated. It probably amplified the existing anti-Semitism of the times, Marrs thought.



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 03:02 AM
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It definitely amplified anti-semitism. Even Henry Ford published a version of it.

I found a copy of Rule by secrecy Jim Marrs writes in a way that it flows very smoothly he's excellent I'll check back when I'm done, most days I'm either too busy or tired but I'm working on it.






posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: 19Bones79

I wanted to add that the Ashkenazi are implicated in globalist plots, and are considered by many to be Jewish, though that is also disputed by some researchers iirc. In other words, the Ashkenazi mob's involvement in bad globalism historically is not necessarily disputed, but how much this implicates the Jewish faith or ethnicities is disputed. Can't remember the details on all of that, but it is another connection, so I thought I should mention it. Marrs gets into it in Rule By Secrecy iirc.

I think the Ashkenazi proper are of a different origin that infiltrated the Jewish to obfuscate their true heritage or something like that.



posted on Nov, 12 2022 @ 07:09 PM
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Kanye West saw firsthand how the people who run things behind the scenes operate, and they happen to be Jews that collude together and create the narrative that represents the system.


So the thinly veiled anti-semitic post becomes the not so thinly veiled anti-semitic post. Congrats.


When I say the Jews dominate a certain industry, some people will say I'm an anti-semite.


When you blame them as a people for others' ills, yes, you are.


Kanye was right.


No, he isn't. Hence your anti semitism.
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posted on Nov, 13 2022 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: SirHardHarry

Sigh, ok Har-ree.


You're such a softy.

Deep breaths, you'll be fine.



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