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NHS deliberately overloaded so more die of strokes and heart attacks - depopulation..?

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posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
I pay national insurance as a scaled percentage of my income and receive "free" healthcare as part of the deal

If I earn nothing I get exactly the same deal as if I would earning one billion pounds a year.



So how much does a person who makes 250k pay in medical cost from their paycheck? I get the poor side of who makes nothing, and so pays nothing, but someone pays, and we have socialized healthcare for the poor too. I bet the people who make a good living in England have supplemental insurance.



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

yet none of the seals make threads every day promoting the vaccine......we are not very good at our 'suppossed' jobs are we

surely if we were paid shills/bots etc there would be many many many many many more threads stating how great the vaccine is/was

Here is a challenge for ATS, what percentage of covid related threads will be by someone stating you must get the vaccine its great its the elixir of youth as oppossed to vaccine bad it kills us?

As for people having an opinion on any thread on ATS isnt that the purpose of the website, to share ones opinion?

Seems a shame to berate people who disagree with you, are you perhaps a lefty?
edit on 000000p3112America/Chicago10172022110 by UpThenDown because: typo, although i bet there are more



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi

Average pay of a paramedic is c. £40K, with unsocial hours, overtime etc. Base starting salaries are £25-30K. An experienced paramedic earns a decent living.



That is crap pay for what they do, no wonder no one wants to do it. The lowest paid person on my team is 90k and they do not work as hard as those guys do.



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: UpThenDown

Here is a challenge for ATS, what percentage of covid related threads will be by someone stating you must get the vaccine its great its the elixir of youth as oppossed to vaccine bad it kills us?


0% pro compared to the 100% anti



Seems a shame to berate people who disagree with you, are you perhaps a lefty?


I been questioning this myself. It seems this right leaning group is acting just like the Woke left that been slamming people on the right who didn't get vacced. Maybe they should stop acting like the people they say are bad....



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:32 PM
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If you’re an employee you start paying National Insurance when you earn more than £242 a week (2022/23).

The National Insurance rate you pay depends on how much you earn, and is made up of:

13.25% of your weekly earnings between £242 and £967 (2022/23)
3.25% of your weekly earnings above £967.

If my maths is correct then at £250,000 you would pay getting on for about £11500 in national health contributions.

Bare in mind though that National insurance goes towards more than just health care and you pay nothing for children, if your partner does not work they don't need to pay anything and you don't pay more for them either.

On £250,000 like above its also more likely that you would be self employed or a company director and the rules are different for that so I doubt you'd be paying anywhere near the £11500.

My maths could be wrong on this.


Edit: yes you could also chose to have private medical care but you still have to pay NI.



originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: nonspecific
I pay national insurance as a scaled percentage of my income and receive "free" healthcare as part of the deal

If I earn nothing I get exactly the same deal as if I would earning one billion pounds a year.



So how much does a person who makes 250k pay in medical cost from their paycheck? I get the poor side of who makes nothing, and so pays nothing, but someone pays, and we have socialized healthcare for the poor too. I bet the people who make a good living in England have supplemental insurance.

edit on 17/10/2022 by nonspecific because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

What drives me insane is that people love to use the UK as an example of glowing healthcare.
I know enough people to know that isn’t true.

I agree if you have a long chronic illness, it might be good, but for everything else, I believe it is much much worse than the US.

I can get an appointment the same day for an issue. I can get prescribed almost anything, same day.
YES it is expensive, very expensive, but at least I can get it, what does affordable mean if you can’t get it!



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

What drives me insane is that people love to use the UK as an example of glowing healthcare.
I know enough people to know that isn’t true.

I agree if you have a long chronic illness, it might be good, but for everything else, I believe it is much much worse than the US.

I can get an appointment the same day for an issue. I can get prescribed almost anything, same day.
YES it is expensive, very expensive, but at least I can get it, what does affordable mean if you can’t get it!


You're right.

Little spoken about secret because MD's will be reprimanded for speaking out.

Our social healthcare in Canada sucks, as I'm sure the NHS does too.

We do have private care options though, also a little known fact.
edit on 10/17/2022 by MykeNukem because: eh?



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem

Why so sure?

Do you have any experience of NHS treatment?

I've had plenty.

Whistleblowers in all walks of life here have a lot of legal rights.



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem





You're right. Little spoken about secret because MD's will be reprimanded for speaking out. Our social healthcare in Canada sucks, as I'm sure the NHS does too.

I had Canadian friends in Florida that loved loved loved the healthcare down there. That was funny because I thought the area we were in had the worst in the US. It was so slow. I had to wait over an hour for my appointment and I asked the receptionist when I would be seen and she said don’t think I could waltz in and be seen immediately. I was like, excuse me, my appointment was an hour ago. My Canadian friend didn’t think it was an issue at all.

Here in the Midwest, we get seen on the minute. Appointments are 15-20min and anything over that is considered a long appointment and billed as such.



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: UpThenDown
a reply to: MykeNukem

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

yet none of the seals make threads every day promoting the vaccine......we are not very good at our 'suppossed' jobs are we

surely if we were paid shills/bots etc there would be many many many many many more threads stating how great the vaccine is/was

Here is a challenge for ATS, what percentage of covid related threads will be by someone stating you must get the vaccine its great its the elixir of youth as oppossed to vaccine bad it kills us?

As for people having an opinion on any thread on ATS isnt that the purpose of the website, to share ones opinion?

Seems a shame to berate people who disagree with you, are you perhaps a lefty?



I've never even seen a single pro covid vaccine thread. It's just a bunch of people running damage control.



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
I am here in America and we are faced with the same illusion of "political parties" we have one for each half of the country they have duped into two classes. Right wing left wing same evil bird. I am to the point where the Elites know the gig is up and I am doubting more and more each day they are even human...



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: MykeNukem





You're right. Little spoken about secret because MD's will be reprimanded for speaking out. Our social healthcare in Canada sucks, as I'm sure the NHS does too.

Here in the Midwest, we get seen on the minute. Appointments are 15-20min and anything over that is considered a long appointment and billed as such.


Yea wait times here are days not hours.

Unless you opt to pay which is always an option just like the States. Mind you our cities are few and far between, so travel will be required.

A mess really.



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: v1rtu0s0




I've never even seen a single pro covid vaccine thread. It's just a bunch of people running damage control.


Damage control, don't you mean point out your Doom Porn for what it is?



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

Edit: yes you could also chose to have private medical care but you still have to pay NI.



For me, my insurance is free. If I added my wife it is like 200 a month, and 1 to X kids is like 320 a month with 25 dollar co-pays when used. I also have a secondary insurance that is 560 a year that my family is on, so I only pay 560 per year for 4 people. My co-pays are free and family is I think 25 bucks.

With all that we see whomever doctor or specialist we want, when we want. I know others do not have it as good, but most of the 10% uninsured are younger people who do not work and elect to not want to pay for any coverage. There is also a smaller percentage of people who work for themselves and elect to not get insurance though a co-op of small companies. The old and poor are socialized medicine, so roughly 80 million Americans use socialized medicine.



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: MykeNukem

Why so sure?

Do you have any experience of NHS treatment?

I've had plenty.

Whistleblowers in all walks of life here have a lot of legal rights.


Do you have any experience about anything you spout off about?

I can read, so that gives me the edge...




posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:55 PM
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because we inadvertently took the society destroying approach and it'll all come out in the end..



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Actually it's a bunch of people who disagree with all of the tedious doom porn that you seem to spend an awful lot of time posting on here.

You know, "Deny Ignorance"?



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: UpThenDown

If I really did want to promote vaccines and disrupt the anti vax movement I certainly wouldn't come to somewhere like ats and make comments and ask questions like I do.

What I'd actually do is go about looking for the really dumb videos on youtube and bitchute and the most iffy of articles that make outrageous claims about vaccines that would make the anti vax movement look really stupid.

I'd be an agent provocateur and make the whole thing a laughing stock.

I don't but if I did that's what I'd do if I actually needed to and it wasn't being done already.



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem

Yes.

Like I say, I have plenty of experience of the NHS.

You?

Oh, I can't read, can't I?

Do grow up.



posted on Oct, 17 2022 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: v1rtu0s0




I've never even seen a single pro covid vaccine thread. It's just a bunch of people running damage control.


Damage control, don't you mean point out your Doom Porn for what it is?


What's that, do you have a pro covid vaxx thread to post?




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