Proof the January 6th made for TV event is a joke

I know, you don't need any proof other than that which we have all seen. But I did listen to the event yesterday, and everyone was frantically calling for support from someone, anyone. They wanted the guard, the police, anybody to come to their rescue.

Well, days before, when Trump was planning his speech and rally, he was also concerned about violence. His reasoning is irrelevent, he asked for troops for protection.

www.reuters.com...

May 12 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump wanted National Guard troops in Washington to protect his supporters at a Jan. 6 rally that ended with them attacking the U.S. Capitol, leaving five dead, Trump's former Pentagon chief testified on Wednesday.

Former Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller told a House of Representatives panel that he spoke with Trump on Jan. 3, three days before the now-former president's fiery speech that preceded the violence and led to his second impeachment.

not only did he want them:

According to Miller's testimony, Trump asked during that meeting whether the District of Columbia's mayor had requested National Guard troops for Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden's presidential election victory.

Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

At that point, Trump thought that he had put in place the protection necessary. Why wasn't the order followed? Who in the chain of command stopped it?

But it doesn’t answer questions around why requests from D.C. officials and House leadership to activate the unit were initially rejected and delayed by the Department of Defense. That comes amid reporting that President Trump was initially unwilling to approve the request.

At a Thursday press conference, Speaker of the House Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) referenced the mystery — and Miller’s authority — saying that the acting Secretary of Defense “has to answer for where the National Guard was yesterday.”

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I think it's clear that the January (Shamuary)6th committee has/had an agenda that had nothing to do with finding the truth, and everything to do with trying to find something to pin on Trump.

Once the House is back in the Republican's hands, I sincerely hope that an investigation is done that focuses on the real aspects of that day. Find out what Ray Epps was doing there for real, find out why the guard was not on site as ordered by Trump directly to the secretary of Defense, who is in charge of the guard in DC. Find out who in power pulled strings and made backroom deals to ensure that we had violence that day.

And sadly, this seems like it has to be said, as dipsh!ts seem to have a knack for not understanding reality, The violence that day was horrific and should have never happened. Anyone who used violence that day, should be punished. And those who instigated that violence should be made an example out of, in a very public way. None of the events justify Trump supporters using violence, and Thank God most of them understood that and didn't seem to want to contribute to the mob violence.

From Yahoo News right now:

"However, there is no record of Trump authorizing National Guard troops to be at the U.S. Capitol before the attack, and no evidence that Democrats denied such a request.

Christopher Miller, who was serving as acting defense secretary on the day of the insurrection, testified to the committee that Trump never gave an order to have National Guard troops ready."

originally posted by: Mark98SS
From Yahoo News right now:

"However, there is no record of Trump authorizing National Guard troops to be at the U.S. Capitol before the attack, and no evidence that Democrats denied such a request.

Christopher Miller, who was serving as acting defense secretary on the day of the insurrection, testified to the committee that Trump never gave an order to have National Guard troops ready."

and yet, we have this:

Former Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller told a House of Representatives panel that he spoke with Trump on Jan. 3, three days before the now-former president's fiery speech that preceded the violence and led to his second impeachment.

I think everyone would agree there is some lies floating around, and the truth is what we need to find. I can accept whatever the truth is, but I won't be lied to and told not to look for anymore facts. We are well past that.

I thought I read there was some general who was in on that NG conversation and that Pelosi declined NG protection that day.

a reply to: network dude

Here's the problem, right here.

"Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

Protect the protesters from what, themselves? Should the National Guard have escorted Ashley Babbit into the House Chambers?

And this from the Reuters May 12 piece:

"Miller testified that the U.S. military was deliberately restrained that day when Trump's rally turned into an assault by hundreds of his followers that left five dead, including a Capitol Police officer.

Miller testified that he was concerned in the days before Jan. 6 that sending National Guard troops to Washington would fan fears of a military coup or that Trump advisers were advocating martial law."

Kinda of begs the question who held the troops back & why?

a reply to: network dude

May 12 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump wanted National Guard troops in Washington to protect his supporters at a Jan. 6 rally that ended with them attacking the U.S. Capitol, leaving five dead, Trump's former Pentagon chief testified on Wednesday.

Even the newsgroups that get part of it right still have to throw a lie or two in there. Reuters isn't any better than CNN.

Per the NG themselves:

District of Columbia officials knew of the planned protests and had requested some assistance when the "First Amendment demonstrations" were planned for Jan. 5 and 6, McCarthy said. Based on this request, officials called up 340 National Guardsmen to help. The Guardsmen were assigned mainly to traffic control, Metro crowd control, some logistics support and a 40-member quick reaction force to be based at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland.

National Guard

And in contrast to over 5000 heavily armed NG and law enforcement including air support in DC for a BLM march, Miller sent a memo to the few NG that were there for the 6th again blocks from the Capitol on traffic duty.

The memo stated:

Without my subsequent, personal authorization, the DCNG is not authorized the following:

To be issued weapons, ammunition, bayonets, batons, or ballistic protection equipment such as helmets and body armor.

To interact physically with protestors, except when necessary in self-defense or defense of others, consistent with the DCNG Rules for the Use of Force.

To employ any riot control agents.
To share equipment with law enforcement agencies.

To use Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR) assets or to conduct ISR or Incident, Awareness, and Assessment activities.

To employ helicopters or any other air assets.

To conduct searches, seizures, arrests, or other similar direct law enforcement activity.

To seek support from any non-DCNG National Guard units.

Miller memo pdf

Yes, Miller did state one thing in Fox news interviews but when under oath with a risk of perjury he stated differently.

Yesterday also contrary to statements the Secret Service made publicly that they were not aware of any specific planned violence, the recovery of deleted texts and emails show they were very aware of violent,specific threats.

a reply to: Mark98SS

What 5 died that day? Surely, we have names of the dead? Who died, was killed, on that day?

a reply to: network dude

One of the first thing, Republicans need to do after taking the house is to investigate Twitter, among other culprits. Trump told his supporters to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard, before being cut off by social media. Obviously, swift shut down of his account from social media was an attempt of cover up. But too many people knew what he had actually said. Still, they had to make Trump appear as the aggressor, and all of this peaceful talk would just not do. So, they did what they do best, and lied.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude

Here's the problem, right here.

"Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

Protect the protesters from what, themselves? Should the National Guard have escorted Ashley Babbit into the House Chambers?

again, who Trump said they were there to protect isn't the point, that he ordered they be there IS the point. We have heard many different stories, two different versions from Miller himself. I don't need to be told what I want to hear, I need the truth. We all do.

originally posted by: Mark98SS


Kinda of begs the question who held the troops back & why?

exactly. And the answers need to be the damn truth.

Violence ?

The Speaker of the House just made a terroristic threat against an ex president.

What a fracking farce.

J6-FALSE FLAG.

Anyone have an ETA when the secret service is going to arrest her ? Rhetorical question.

Also wonder when the NARA is going to send the FBI to swatt her home for those papers she tore up one night live on national television.

a reply to: frogs453

Miller also told the house inquiry Trump had asked for troops, and I believe he was under oath then as well. This is one aspect of this that should not be a partisan thing, it's just the facts, the truth. Whatever it is, is what it is.

I remember hearing Sund asked several times for more security and was told NO due to bad optics. As if the riot was not bad optics. (depending on what you wanted to happen I suppose)

Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund said he requested that the National Guard be placed on standby in the days before the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol, but House and Senate security officials turned him down.

Sund, who resigned his post the day after the riot, told The Washington Post he had been concerned that the protest planned for Jan. 6 would be larger than expected. Sund said he asked House and Senate security officials for permission to request that the National Guard be placed on standby.

www.usatoday.com...

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I recall Trump on media saying that he wanted ''troops'' to be present to protect his followers. He made a flowery speech about them being good protesters but that they needed to be protected. I wondered at the time, ''protected from whom?''

Was there sufficient intelligence that there would be hordes of ''counter protesters'' and antifa types there to disrupt and do battle with his peaceful protesters? It seemed to me at the time that this was the insinuation.Yet as Mark, up-thread, pointed out, Trump did not authorize any troop deployment in light of his public statement about requesting them.

And indeed, where were the mobs of ''counter protesters'' that his ''good protesters'' needed to be protected from. Did any of them show up? Yes, we have reports of a few ''leftists'' in the bunch but nothing what so ever in the scope that his followers would have been in need of protection by the military.

So my assumptions were that there was no credible intelligence suggesting that there would be counter protesters and Trump was just being Trump. Playing a favorite card if his, the victim card, for the national media, playing the ''I"m protecting my people from the villainous leftists monsters.

originally posted by: frogs453
Per the NG themselves:

District of Columbia officials knew of the planned protests and had requested some assistance when the "First Amendment demonstrations" were planned for Jan. 5 and 6, McCarthy said. Based on this request, officials called up 340 National Guardsmen to help. The Guardsmen were assigned mainly to traffic control, Metro crowd control, some logistics support and a 40-member quick reaction force to be based at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland.

National Guard

And in contrast to over 5000 heavily armed NG and law enforcement including air support in DC for a BLM march, Miller sent a memo to the few NG that were there for the 6th again blocks from the Capitol on traffic duty.

The memo stated:

Without my subsequent, personal authorization, the DCNG is not authorized the following:

To be issued weapons, ammunition, bayonets, batons, or ballistic protection equipment such as helmets and body armor.

To interact physically with protestors, except when necessary in self-defense or defense of others, consistent with the DCNG Rules for the Use of Force.

To employ any riot control agents.
To share equipment with law enforcement agencies.

To use Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR) assets or to conduct ISR or Incident, Awareness, and Assessment activities.

To employ helicopters or any other air assets.

To conduct searches, seizures, arrests, or other similar direct law enforcement activity.

To seek support from any non-DCNG National Guard units.

Miller memo pdf

Yes, Miller did state one thing in Fox news interviews but when under oath with a risk of perjury he stated differently.

Yesterday also contrary to statements the Secret Service made publicly that they were not aware of any specific planned violence, the recovery of deleted texts and emails show they were very aware of violent,specific threats.

OMG -- FACTS

In writing.

a reply to: SourGrapes

Ashli Babbitt. The only person who died as a result of the violence. There were two heart attacks not related to the violence, One capitol police who died days later of natural causes, and two officers who took their own lives after Jan 6.
link to source

The cause and manner of death for Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick remain pending. Two men have been charged with spraying Sicknick with a chemical spray, but no charges have been brought for causing his death.

Per Dr. Francisco Diaz’s official determinations:

• Ashli Babbitt, 35, died from a gunshot wound to her left shoulder

• Roseanne Boyland, 34, died of acute amphetamine intoxication

• Kevin Greeson, 55, died of hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease

• Benjamin Phillips, 50, died of hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease

Babbitt, a U.S. Air Force veteran from Southern California, was shot and killed by a Capitol Police officer while she climbed through a broken window on a door leading to the Speaker’s Lobby, The New York Times reported.

Meanwhile, video reviewed by the Times showed Boyland among a throng of protesters attempting to fight through a police line. The Kennesaw, Georgia, resident appeared in the video to be crushed by fellow rioters, but the medical examiner’s ruling contradicts that theory.

Well, the important thing is Trump needs more money. I suggest we each allot 20% of our take home pay to Trump for as long as he lives. It's the least we can do since everyone's picking on him.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

and yet, if those troops had been there, Jan 6th might have just been another Trump rally with another chance for him to complain about being cheated. Since the troops were not there, we had a riot.

originally posted by: Annee

OMG -- FACTS

In writing.

Yes, in writing:

According to Miller's testimony, Trump asked during that meeting whether the District of Columbia's mayor had requested National Guard troops for Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden's presidential election victory.

Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."