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Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

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posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 06:54 AM
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Russia targets Ukraine’s hydroelectric dams with wave of missile attacks..... "Russia has launched a wave of cruise missiles at hydroelectric dams and other critical infrastructure across Ukraine, with explosions reported near the capital, Kyiv, and in at least 10 other cities and regions.

Ukraine’s air command said it shot down 44 out of 50 enemy rockets. Video footage suggested that several missiles were intercepted in the skies around Kyiv, soon after 8am local time. Air raid sirens went off nationally, with citizens told to seek shelter."

www.theguardian.com...



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 11:03 AM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

If Ukraine is shooting down such a large percentage of Russian missiles, then this does not bode well for them. This is because one of Russia's unique capabilities is being neutralised. It also gives a good insight into why the Russian air force has been largely impotent, and has not delivered "control of the air".



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 02:25 PM
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Gun from museum ? I dont understand why have to use that ...

Retreating Russian soldiers left behind their 1910 model year PM1910 heavy machine gun.



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: Kenzo

Odd. Those got replaced in the late 1940s by more modern machine guns. Their plan to arm the "people's republics" troops must deliberately be using the oldest gear they have in their arsenals. Or, the more modern gear in their arsenals somehow disappeared.

Cheers



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: Kenzo

In the Second World War, the USSR had enough manpower to be wasteful in something like the first two to three years of the war with Germany. By the last year, their commanders were forced to use manpower somewhat more sparingly because their divisions were often running at a strength around four to five thousand.

The difference today is that they are not sparing manpower but don't have the manpower reserves the old USSR did in the war.

Cheers



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Yeeh, odd indeed. The huge corruption in Russia could be reason why more modern gear somehow disappear, or i mean people in Russian army just sell that to 3rd World countrys, general level officers...



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Soviets had huge army , and military losses were also huge then.

The actions Putin have made dont make much sense, from day 1. Putin is living in the past, in 80s ? red army is gone...



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: Kenzo

I still think he believed he was going to pull off a replay of Prague in 1968. Soviet special forces occupy the capital and topple the government, with the action over fairly quickly. Putin also probably didn't realize how unprepared the Russian army was for conventional warfare of significant duration.

Cheers
edit on 31-10-2022 by F2d5thCavv2 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

It did look like replay of Prague in 1968. But everything go wrong . The big mistakes started Months earlyer,as FSB was analysing the possible scenario/outcome of special military operation in Ukraine...and it was crap work, then handed it to Putin.

Recent weeks has looked more like just pure evil desperate revenge than a war, they cant fight good enough against Ukrainian military and so target civilians and power plants.



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: Kenzo

Yes. They can't win militarily so are trying to freeze civilians to death.

But how are all those untrained conscript cannon fodder going to keep warm?

Does Putin even care?



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Very valid point about the manpower.

I think another factor is commitment.
In WWII Russia was invaded by an enemy that was brutal in its occupation of conquered lands.
The Russian people were fighting for their homeland, their Motherland.
They were fighting for their very existence, a great motivator- just as the Ukrainian people are doing so now.

Once they had repelled the invaders they had an overwhelming urge for revenge and to inflict the same level of devastation on The Nazi's that they had done to Russia.
Another great motivator.

Large numbers of Russians conscripted and/or forced to fight in this war simply don't have the same sort of motivation.
Can anyone blame them?



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

If Ukraine is shooting down such a large percentage of Russian missiles, then this does not bode well for them.





For sure Paraphi yet we are only hearing the Ukrainian counting via the being honest and realistic about it 'slightly' biased Western MSM



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

As opposed to the realistic and not at all unbiased Russian State sources?

Mmmm.....



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 06:18 PM
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a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Oh yeah for sure the Ruskies media is a little biased too



posted on Oct, 31 2022 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: Oldcarpy2

these are photos my friend in kyiv took, people are on line for water. they are pissed and no one wants to quit. my other friend was stuck on the metro for 3 hours but when i was speaking with her on viber everyone was singing and their spirits were strong...




posted on Nov, 1 2022 @ 02:10 AM
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originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
For sure Paraphi yet we are only hearing the Ukrainian counting via the being honest and realistic about it 'slightly' biased Western MSM


Which is why I used the word "if". Regardless, Russia has not achieved any form of air superiority, so I am inclined to believe that Ukraine's air defence network is both functional and lethal. If that is the case, then there is a good chance that it is taking its toll of Russian missiles targeting civilian infrastructure.

Air superiority is a pre-condition for success in most books on "how to win a war", perhaps indicating why Russia has failed thus far.

Noting that Western air defence systems have also been arriving in Ukraine, so it's getting more difficult for Russia as time goes by.



posted on Nov, 1 2022 @ 02:42 AM
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31 October Update




Key Takeaways
(edited by me)

* Russian forces launched another massive wave of strikes against critical Ukrainian infrastructure, further damaging the power grid and leaving much of Kyiv without water.

* Russian forces are continuing to withdraw from the west bank of the Dnipro River even as they set conditions to fight for positions around Kherson City.

* Russian sources continued to claim that Ukrainian troops conducted counter-offensive operations in northeastern Kharkiv Oblast and along the Svatove-Kreminna line on October 30 and 31.

* Russian forces continued defensive operations and Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces continued counter-offensive operations in Kherson Oblast on October 30 and 31.

* The Ukrainian interdiction campaign is reportedly damaging Russian forces exfiltrating across the Dnipro River.

* Russian forces continued ground attacks around Bakhmut on October 30 and 31.

* Russian sources claimed that Russian troops made incremental gains in the Avdiivka-Donetsk City area on October 30 and 31, but ISW cannot verify these claims.

* The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) is likely attempting to prevent draft dodging by trying to deceive the Russian population into believing that autumn conscripts will not be sent to fight in Ukraine.

* The MoD also announced the end of partial mobilization on October 31, executing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s order to end mobilization by the end of October

* Local Russian governments remain responsible for even basic provisions to mobilized personnel, demonstrating the inefficiency of crowdfunding efforts and uncoordinated supply lines to support a modern military.



More at URL above.

Cheers
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posted on Nov, 1 2022 @ 03:10 AM
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a reply to: Kenzo

In the face of Operation Barbarossa, NKVD officers played a similar role, and Stalin found fall guys to face firing squads in the face of that disaster. In reality, Stalin's paranoia and the resulting purgers robbed the Soviets of most of their promising military commanders.

Also, a lack of equipment and training and expended troops in mass concentrations of infantry against the Germans were at the root of the Soviet's underlying issues. But Zhukov tight rope relationship with Stalin, and the improving Soviet machine, including a vast industrial base, solved those matters. But during that process, the Soviets amassed causalities for the previously stated reasons, and tyrants don't value human life.

Moreover, the members of the Soviet armed forces were motivated by the desire to defend their homeland. Then, later on, to seek revenge against the Germans. But in present-day Ukraine, Russia added institutional corruption, military incompetence, equipment shortages, poor training regime and lousy logistics to their woes. So beyond atrocities and looting, there aren't any reasons for Russian troops in Ukraine to display any motivation towards combat duties. So the addition of the present-day version of NKVD/KGB officers presents Russian conscripts with another target for Fragging.



posted on Nov, 1 2022 @ 03:36 AM
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a reply to: xpert11


Yes so many issues Russian have now. Reports also mention lack of food etc..

The coming winter is bad thing for Ukrainian army, from opinions i read. And also civilians since Putin target their daily living with missiles to power plants, also water ..Thought not easy for Russian forces if they dont have enough winter gear.




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