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posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Just because he's a bad guy doesn't mean he's insane. I never said he isn't evil. And I don't see why it would be the first time.



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: Nexttimemaybe


The truth of the matter is the west, mainly the US, has had it in for russia ever since ww2. The russian people know this, everyone knows this.

From what I am hearing in this thread, I have to disagree. I think we, the people who do have it in for Russia and have for some time, don't realize they have it in for Russia.

I mean, really... when people claim they are going to tear down a country and expect the population of that country to welcome it with open arms... that's pretty far out there to my thinking.


It doesn't matter if its putin or someone else, the Russian mindset would be the same.

Agreed.


As for MAD, that seems to be more something the west is keen for more than Russia.

I agree with this as well.

Personally, I think the USA has been so well-isolated for so long that we have forgotten what war is. As the only real superpower on the continent, separated from the rest of the world by two oceans, we have enjoyed relative safety since our inception. Any assault typically happened just outside our borders (reference Pearl Harbor in WWII... the only direct attack on the USA, and that was in Hawaii, separated from the mainland by thousands of miles of ocean). So it's little wonder that we have this inner belief that we are safe from a direct attack.

The fallacy in thinking that is, until after WWII, it was quite difficult to launch an offensive maneuver across the ocean. Not so today; missile which can reach a target anywhere on the planet with precision and highly destructive firepower are commonplace. Even manned assaults can be executed in a matter of hours using modern aircraft.

I hope we don't find that out the hard way. Retaliation can be a bitch.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: TritonTaranis


And you know they might be right, perhaps the only way to ensure peace in Europe once and for all is to dismantle it

Backwards people, backwards leaders, backwards supporters

Strange... that is exactly what was said about the South just before the War of Northern Aggression.

The more things change...

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

Why wouldn't it make a difference? You guys really seem to think the Russians are rabid lunatics who attack blindly. But I think they just made a mistake and a new guy can change course. Try to look at this from a Russian perspective, please.



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: TritonTaranis

I have to point out that the bombings seem to have one aspect that still amazes me: with a literal barrage of missile attacks across several different cities, with devastation everywhere (as reported by the media), Russia managed to kill less people than one lone shooter did in a single hour in a Texas school (last count I heard was 14).

That's not to say the bombings were a good thing or that they are just OK... but it does beg the question: did Putin order retaliation on areas he knew were not highly populated at the time? Did he pull his punch?

Just another contradiction, I suppose.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Maybe because he is using S300s and anti shipping missiles that aren't that accurate for land attack?

Pretty indiscriminate?



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: xpert11

Finally someone gets my point! What happens after the fighting is over... will it make things better or worse?

I don't see a lot of better. In winning, I fear we will all lose.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:31 PM
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Everyone's quality of life is rapidly diminishing because of Leftist Socialist woke ideologies, the elites of the world financial interests and the bulk of their wealth is generated in China... and our western leaders have sold us all down the river.

It's no surprise the QOL rapidly dive bombs under Socialist policies and ideologies.

There is only one counter to this and the time is now before it seriously becomes too late and that is thevreturn to nationalism and populism, right-leaning.

We are witnessing this tred even though the elitist controlled MSM outlets proclaim that any lean to the right as being extreme or far, their ideologies are never branded as such.

Time to start seeing past your own nose...



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: TritonTaranis


Step 1 - Russians defeat in Ukraine

Step 2 - Russias Color revolution

Step 3 - Russias territorial dismantling

So, you expect the West to invade and overthrow Russia then?

I have to ask this: it's not OK for Russia to invade and overthrow another country, but it is a good thing when we invade and overthrow Russia?

TheRedneck


Not sure what’s happening with you… but you keep jumping to conclusions and confusing fact with fantasy

While on the subject of fantasy… Yes ABSOLUTELY I’d love to see what I wrote happen and think it’s necessary after Russias violent history and constant failed attempts and invading Europe, over centuries even, I’m just not that guy… I’d ensure once and for all the rouge nation of drunks were never ever again capable of their usual violent behaviour and a threat to peace in Europe ever again, that’s just how I roll

I DETEST A BULLY
I DETEST #TALKERS MAKING THREATS

HOWEVER… In the real world …. I have no say in that matter, however I’d wager something similar is being discussed in dark corners and plans to do just that occur when Russia loses

BUT … what you’ve essentially done is used all that honestly on my part, to bring a nonsensical question

Which is

Oh so Russia can’t destroy and invade Ukraine but the west can?

Huh?

Who started this war?

You can’t use a response to justify somebody stupid war

I’m just telling you there will be grave consequences for Russias actions which now span over hundreds of years

Destry it and may it never be a threat ever again



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: TritonTaranis


Russia has had 22 years of locking up and murdering its political opposition

Has that escaped you?

Whoa, slow down there now, haus!

I am not a fan of Vladimir Putin, Joseph Stalin, or any of the leaders of Russia! Do not confuse me with those who may be. I asked a question. A simple question, based on nothing more than the reality that Russia might be defeated. Any country which goes into a war without understanding the consequences of both winning and losing that war is a nation of fools.

If you consider me looking ahead to what comes next as some sort of affirmation of Russia, you're in the wrong thread. There are plenty of others where you can take aim at people for asking questions; please let this one be exempt from that.

TheRedneck


Step 1 - Russians defeat in Ukraine

Step 2 - Russias Color revolution

Step 3 - Russias territorial dismantling

Step 4 - profit!



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

But 'The West' hasn't gone to war....and hopefully it won't have to.
Yes, they are funding and enabling Ukraine to defend itself and repel invaders but are not actually engaging in the war.

I don't think - and I emphasise the word 'think', I could easily be wrong - that NATO/US/UK etc have any desire to completely dismantle Russia.
They do want to put a stop to Russian dreams of expansionism and Putin's overly aggressive approach to Russia's neighbours.

It would be foolhardy in the extreme to attempt to invade Russia in a conventional war.
It would be draining and an incredibly long and demanding process which would prevent any thoughts of economic growth....and I'm not entirely sure such a venture would be winnable.

And even if such a war was won I'm not sure how a thoroughly de-stabilised and deconstructed Russia would benefit 'The West'.

If - or when - Ukraine is successful in repelling the invaders we must ensure that we are not too punitive in our approach to Russia.
We must learn from the lessons history teaches us.

As you correctly point out, there are many other potential Putin's around within Russia.
We must be careful not to foster the environment and atmosphere that would actively enable one of those to emerge in control.
Russia will learn from its mistakes.

Future relations with Russia will require a blend of delicacy, pragmatism, strength and intelligence that as far as I can tell few, if any, possess at present.

One things certain; I wouldn't have a bloody clue how to go about it.
No pearls of wisdom from me on this, just a recognition that it isn't going to be straight forward.
edit on 12/10/22 by Freeborn because: typo and grammar



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck




Let us suppose that we all wake up tomorrow to the wonderful news: Ukraine has won. All disputed territories, including Crimea, are back under Ukrainian control. The Russian troops have fled in retreat to deep inside Russia. Putin has announced that he is cancelling the offensive entirely. Everything we wanted to happen has come to pass. It's over and the good guys won.

What happens next?


My very first concern back in February was what would a defeated Putin look like? However, this in and of itself is quite the copout statement which can I freely acknowledge. Putins decision, so therein lies the onus.

However, taking in the larger context and history, none of this happened in a vacuum. The unfortunate circumstances come from western meddling and russian meddling in a nation that happens to border russia, a country who has vehemently been concerned over NATO encroachment.

If cooler heads wished to prevail, instead of dangling NATO in front of Ukraine, a proposition that was never going to happen privately, perhaps they should have used the same diplomacy aid in ceasing shelling in the east or to help persuade Ukraine to be neutral.

This bed has been in the making for quite a few years now.



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:43 PM
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How come America is allowed to be swaggering, belligerent, and borderline delirious but it's Russia whose leaders are dangerous to the world if they let a conspiracy addled tyrant replace a parkinson's addled tyrant?

Don't know about the characterizations you use, but your point seems to be quite poignant. It's a great day for all of humanity when we do something, but the end of civilization when they do the same thing.

We've been here before; we call it the Cuban Missile Crisis. We just reversed the roles of aggressor/defender.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Russia will very likely become 100% dependent on China to have anything that sort of resembles an economy.
So it totally doesn't matter who'll have the say in Russia because it is going to be the lackey of whoever has the say in China.
And that's something for sure no matter how long it takes or how the war ends.
There's no turning back.


edit on 12-10-2022 by Peeple because: Russia who?



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:49 PM
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Not sure what you were blathering about however in regards to aid to Ukraine. They can have a cold, cold beer from this Aussie and the best cold beer is Vic.

Victoria Bitter!

a reply to: xpert11


edit on 12-10-2022 by Dalamax because: Limited term endorsement



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: Dalamax

There's more hops in a dead toad....




posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: TritonTaranis


Russia has had 22 years of locking up and murdering its political opposition

Has that escaped you?

Whoa, slow down there now, haus!

I am not a fan of Vladimir Putin, Joseph Stalin, or any of the leaders of Russia! Do not confuse me with those who may be. I asked a question. A simple question, based on nothing more than the reality that Russia might be defeated. Any country which goes into a war without understanding the consequences of both winning and losing that war is a nation of fools.

If you consider me looking ahead to what comes next as some sort of affirmation of Russia, you're in the wrong thread. There are plenty of others where you can take aim at people for asking questions; please let this one be exempt from that.

TheRedneck


Step 1 - Russians defeat in Ukraine

Step 2 - Russias Color revolution

Step 3 - Russias territorial dismantling

Step 4 - profit!


Step 5 Build NATO bases in occupied Russia … around northern China

Wink wink



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: Cutepants

Seems to me common sense would expect us to get someone less evil? As opposed to more evil or just as evil. That's what happened throughout history... winners of wars would put in someone who actually agreed with them instead of with the person they just deposed.

Crazy concept, I know, but think on it.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck




That's what happened throughout history...

No, that happened one time with Hitler. Everybody else died of natural causes and if not got replaced by somebody worse.



posted on Oct, 12 2022 @ 01:03 PM
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Maybe because he is using S300s and anti shipping missiles that aren't that accurate for land attack?

Pretty indiscriminate?

So they didn't do all the devastation that is being claimed?

I swear, every answer I get on the Ukraine stuff just confuses me more. Putin is going to annihilate Ukraine; their fate, their very existence is up to us to supply them with aid, but of course Russia's military couldn't fight their way out of a brown paper bag. These missiles were absolutely devastating and destructive and caused untold damage... but they are old and useless and not even very accurate.

Someone please, please, please, for the love of God, pick a side!

TheRedneck




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