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Ukraine wants in response fast track NATO membership - yay or nay-

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posted on Sep, 30 2022 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: Q33323
a reply to: Peeple
Get ready for war, boys!
They’ll take Alaska first.


LOL good luck... besides all the military that is in alaska there are high powered rifles in pretty much every home, and a huge chunk of the population depends on those rifles to keep meat on the table, and they know the terrain like the back of their hands.

Ask the brits how well it went trapsing an army through similar territory.

Yea they could nuke the state but then they get a wasteland and no natural resources to use.



posted on Sep, 30 2022 @ 10:57 PM
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posted on Sep, 30 2022 @ 11:03 PM
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I think anyone in the USA who wants Ukraine to join NATO should also walk down to your local Armed Services Recruiter near you…. Quit your job and enlist to fight for democracy! Better yet if you have children ages 17-29 you should also convince your children men and women and all LGBGTRFSGCGVF+ to volunteer to fight for democracy!

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Time to put up or shut up. If you want war with Russia YOU SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO ENLIST FOR THIS GLORIOUS BATTLE

edit on 30-9-2022 by Brassmonkey because: Grammar



posted on Sep, 30 2022 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: Peeple

Scenario number 1 The East of Ukraine is now Russian land . Zelensky still thinks Crimea and those Eastern parts are his and worth a war for. Since he is now a fully bought puppet and unlikely to go off script. They will probably be in NATO as they are in a de facto alliance already. Boris and the rest will want their money back, if Putin goes in and puts a pro-Russian Government in Kyiv they won't get a red cent back. These boys are making big bucks on selling weapons and dishing out aid to their buddies it's Bonanza time they will want this to go on for as long as the American taxpayer will fall for it.


Scenario number 2 It will be used by China and Russia to break American hegemony, Putin will want assurances that NATO can't give because they both think they can do America. If they have a go at Putin within twenty-four hours Taiwan will be under blockade by the Chinese, as it is the only country that has a legal threat to the CCP.


Scenario number 3 The War will start fast as soon as NATO makes it clear that they intend to claim Eastern Ukraine, America will be attacked firmly as it is the main instigator of the conflict. In the end, The Federal government will fall and States will secede to stop the chaos.


Scenario number 4 It is all in the Plan to bring the world under the umbrella of a NWO, but only after a limited nuclear war and enough people are ready to accept the implications of it.
edit on 30-9-2022 by anonentity because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 30 2022 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: Kenzo

if you wanna deny ignorance, start with cutting the crap yourself.

remember the polls before Trump - Clinton election? remember how much they were worth?

well, these here came from the ukrainian government. they're much, much worse.



posted on Sep, 30 2022 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: Brassmonkey

I just retired after 20 years, and like I said above personally I think the powers in charge believe a good world war is needed and it doesnt matter if we bring Ukraine into Nato or not.



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: Brassmonkey


Is russia going to attack NATO countries in a tantrum now?

Perhaps russia shouldn't have land grabbed another neighbor?



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:23 AM
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Nay, the best case scenario if Ukraine was accepted as part of NATO and NATO forces moved in to support Ukraine would be for Russia to nuke across the ionosphere.

That means nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NEMP) would set the world back practically to the 19th century.

A lot of military tech is shielded that would survive but it would take decades to return to the living standard we have today. We could probably punish Russia after that but the EMP would still level the playing field a lot and we wouldn't have the fuel reserves to fight a protracted war with them. Billions would likely die from the lack of energy for food production and climate control.
It is possible those numbers are high but Western countries would suffer far more than less developed countries.

Imagine winter in Europe without any form of heating aside from wood or coal that could be scrounged. The deaths from the heat in the summer without AC. The lack of working mechanical farm equipment or the ability to produce fertilizer.

No electricity, no running water. Even if they restore electricity none of your appliances would still work. Does anyone remember how to make a crystal radio because that will be your entertainment for a few years not that you will have much time for it because most of it will be taken up from just trying to survive.

That is the best-case scenario and honestly, Russia is in a better position to bounce back than us but so is North Korea. China will be pissed. Remember in 1962 we tested a 1.4 megaton warhead above the ionosphere off of Johnston Island called project Starfish Prime and it knocked out power grids 800 miles away.

So, nay, Ukraine is not worth it.



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:27 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi



Yay, another russian nuke threat!


We are all properly terrified now.





posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:33 AM
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Hell no.



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:39 AM
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originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Brassmonkey


Is russia going to attack NATO countries in a tantrum now?

Perhaps russia shouldn't have land grabbed another neighbor?




Perhaps all the Stepan Bandera worshipping, Nationlist nazis in Western Ukraine, especially in Kyiv, should have respected an election, respected laws and respected minorities in the country instead of thinking they are the superior race in the country. Perhaps Poroshenko and then Zelenskyy should have respected ALL OF THEIR CITIZENS and not waged war against certain background ethnicities.



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:44 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Never gonna happen. There's a reason why NATO won't even consider countries that are experiencing instability, let alone a full blown war.

The best they'll probably get is an agreement that if Russia deploys WMDs then NATO will join the fray.


I know you're usually right.

I just can't live with the scenario of letting the bully win. Cuz, it's who's next.

Yes -- this one is definitely feelz.


The Bully? Poroshenko and the Stepan Bandera worshipping Nationlist nazis of western Ukraine and Azov are the original bullies in this entire war and if you think definitely you have no idea what's really gone on



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:48 AM
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originally posted by: Kenzo



10 maps that explain Ukraine’s struggle for independence




Lol well obviously Ukrainian sources are gonna say this 😂🤣🙄

Might was well get the Kyiv independent to take a "poll" too



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:48 AM
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as i see it, if Ukraine joins NATO NATO joins the war

If NATO countries want to join the war then they need to do what Britain did with Sweden and Finland and say they''ll defend Ukraine but outside of the NATO framework..

at this point I can't see a way to avoid the coming the war the problem is waiting on who'll make the commitment to join at this point its all very 1930s Spanish civil war with everyone and no one dipping in.

war is inevitable at this point..



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:49 AM
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originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Never gonna happen. There's a reason why NATO won't even consider countries that are experiencing instability, let alone a full blown war.

The best they'll probably get is an agreement that if Russia deploys WMDs then NATO will join the fray.


I know you're usually right.

I just can't live with the scenario of letting the bully win. Cuz, it's who's next.

Yes -- this one is definitely feelz.


The Bully? Poroshenko and the Stepan Bandera worshipping Nationlist nazis of western Ukraine and Azov are the original bullies in this entire war and if you think definitely you have no idea what's really gone on




Were those 'nazis' (Ukrainian soldiers to the rest of the world) inside russia or Ukraine?

Ukraine has a right to defend itself from foreign invasion.

russia is the international bully trying to landgrab in Ukraine.

Nobody else.



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:49 AM
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originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Never gonna happen. There's a reason why NATO won't even consider countries that are experiencing instability, let alone a full blown war.

The best they'll probably get is an agreement that if Russia deploys WMDs then NATO will join the fray.


I know you're usually right.

I just can't live with the scenario of letting the bully win. Cuz, it's who's next.

Yes -- this one is definitely feelz.


The Bully? Poroshenko and the Stepan Bandera worshipping Nationlist nazis of western Ukraine and Azov are the original bullies in this entire war and if you think definitely you have no idea what's really gone on


Every country has it's Nazis.

Not every country invades their neighbor.

RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE ---- UKRAINE DID NOT INVADE RUSSIA



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:51 AM
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a reply to: MisguidedAngel



Are you referring to the Ukrainian government?

They have a right to defend Ukraine from foreign invaders like russia.



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 02:04 AM
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a reply to: MisguidedAngel

You must be so scared now since Georgia Meloni won in Italy too, lol. The evil Nazis are everywhere, they're coming to get you!



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 02:49 AM
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a reply to: Cutepants

Shall we play a nice game of Acey ... DUCE DUCE

😅

Cheers



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 03:14 AM
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originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: M5xaz

Source for 70% Russian ?

Before Putins invasion caused mass displacement of the population.





No.

Those areas were being shelled by the Ukrainian Army since 2014 BECAUSE the population was Russian.

With respect to the Crimean peninsula, Russia's main naval base in the Black Sea, Sevastopol, on the Crimean Peninsula since before the Crimean war in 1854.

Odessa, one of the major cities in the South, was created by Russian Empress Catherine the Great as far back as 1794

You have ZERO knowledge of history

Read a book sometime, as opposed to "I saw it on TV"



Deny Ignorance


Deny ignorance would be you providing a source for your claim.





There:

en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:RussianUseEn.PNG

Over 84.5% in the south of Ukraine
Over 92.7% in the east of Ukraine


Keep right on wallowing in your ignorance.

What a tool...
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That's that they speak Russian, not that they are Russian.

As you are using Wikipedia you would have seen this



According to the 2001 census, ethnic Ukrainians form 58% of the population of Luhansk Oblast and 56.9% of Donetsk Oblast. Ethnic Russians form the largest minority, accounting for 39% and 38.2% of the two oblasts respectively.


Yet rather than admit your 'mistake' you come back with childish insults.

As you said deny ignorance.


edit on 1-10-2022 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)



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