Ukraine wants in response fast track NATO membership - yay or nay-

a reply to: Peeple

Nay , but they should be given security guarantees.

BUT, BUT, I thought Ukraine was thrashing Russia, they were winning. So why do they need NATO backing now.

a reply to: putnam6

I'm pretty sure consensus can be achieved.
He's talking about it so much let's see If he really wants to fight NATO.
Sanctions aren't working either are they?
So why not force a resolution?
If he wants to fight we fight.
If he prefers to stop playing silly games like with his huge table, we can talk.

a reply to: crayzeed

So why do they need NATO backing now.

To deter Russia from coming back after Ukraine kicks them out of their Country.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I currently live in Germany there's a good chance I'd die fighting.
If Russia has actually gone mad what other option is there?

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: M5xaz

Not going to give up on a country in which the majority wants to be European.

Well then, when are you leaving for Ukraine to fight there yourself ?
WHEN ?
Oh, right
You want OTHER people to go there to die

Well good thing you were not in power during the Cuban missile crisis or during the cold war.
Nuclear war would long ago have happened with massive devastation

Bravo !!

Using the long game strategy of the Cold War WORKED


Keep right along with your emotive logic-free, strategy-free drivel
Putting you in charge would be like giving a loaded automatic weapon to a 4 year old in a room packed with people.

Waahhhhhhh. I wanna...........

Exactly. It’s always those with no skin in the game who want to step on the accelerator. Nothing new under the Sun.

It’s a delicate situation; one which, most likely, requires editing the blueprint from moment to moment. It’s a fluid situation.

Some of us see a fire and immediately want to stick our hands in it. I’ve never understood that mentality.

That being said: I have no idea what the solution is and I also don’t care about that region of the world.

a reply to: M5xaz


Some people have the weirdest approach.


Her whole strategy is:


Feeling cute, think I'll flirt with disaster.

a reply to: crayzeed

Because Putin just announced that Russia has "annexed" four of Ukraines oblasts and has stated in the past that they have no problem using nukes to defend "their" territory.

a reply to: 19Bones79

In a nutshell yes.
But because If someone dares you and it's important you show strength.
What he's doing is a farce, that's why I suggested doing the same in orange.

They won't be allowed in so there's no discussion to had.

Nato direct involvement would mean nukes and you would all die for the corrupt # hole that is Ukraine.

Worth it?

a reply to: gortex


So , " NATO SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION " lol

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

Show me one perfect country that doesn't suffer from corruption. And you might have an argument.
It would only mean nukes If Russia doesn't back down. So there's still a possibility to avoid it.

Crimea voted itself out of Ukraine. THEN it applied to join the Russian Federation. THEN Russia accepted. All legal and above board. The western media screamed about it after the fact, but democrazy (not a mis-spelling) dictates that a vote be accepted. The western version, however, insists that the vote is only good if it goes OUR way.

In the same way, four regions of Ukraine voted to join the Russian Federation. Two of them had been independent for several years and had suffered considerable civilian causalities as a result. The other two regions had suffered for a lesser time, but voted overwhelmingly to be Russian. With your own "government" shelling you, shooting you, what would you do?

BTW, poking the bear is never a good idea, and anyway, what is the west really fighting for? Is it not for the heads of state to get a kickback of all that military aid? Is it not to provide a fall-back area if the tiny country of JOP falls to its enemies? Is it not to empty our own military coffers and make us fall to our own enemies like overripe fruit?

Let Ukraine go - it's not worth the money, material and lives.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

Show me one perfect country that doesn't suffer from corruption. And you might have an argument.
It would only mean nukes If Russia doesn't back down. So there's still a possibility to avoid it.

Russia won't back down. Not this time.

Canada yes .

Canada supports Ukraine's bid to join NATO, - Canadian Foreign Minister Melanie Joly.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: putnam6

I'm pretty sure consensus can be achieved.
He's talking about it so much let's see If he really wants to fight NATO.
Sanctions aren't working either are they?
So why not force a resolution?
If he wants to fight we fight.
If he prefers to stop playing silly games like with his huge table, we can talk.

As for consensus, I speak not only of NATO members which isn't a given from the research I've looked at but here in the US no way will there be a consensus of public opinion. FWIW we don't do well at wars when there isn't a consensus of public opinion.

That said please don't tell me you are worried about Russia invading Germany, cause that would trigger NATO and the US public even more.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short


BTW, poking the bear is never a good idea,

I hate it when people use 'shouldn't poke the bear'. If a bear was seen acting like Russia has been of late it would be put out of its misery and tested for rabies.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Never gonna happen. There's a reason why NATO won't even consider countries that are experiencing instability, let alone a full blown war.

The best they'll probably get is an agreement that if Russia deploys WMDs then NATO will join the fray.

And that is how the cookie crumbles.
The only person that can end this madness is the madman himself Putin.
And I am having a feeling that we have not seen the worst of this war yet.

a reply to: Lazarus Short

Appeasement of mad dictators has never ended too well.

Nice job of re writing history, though.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

Totally agree, a Yay is going to turn a local mafia war into a full blown European conflict. There is no way Russia will accept NATO in Ukraine. I don't kniw what weapons Putin has at his disposal bar the 6,000 nukes, yet a Yay leading to NATO military in Ukraine will mean total war and probably WMD being used. It's a crazy prospect but who knows what they've got in their heads at NATO. Maybe a deal's been done alraedy behind the scenes, both sides MIC's probably want a new Cold War, a deal to split Ukraine might well be on the cards and secretly arranged already.

At some point Putin is removed as Russians don't want to see their country destroyed either. Russia has used this tactic over and over of we can take what we want because we have nukes. If Russians in general don't care then we are all f'ed anyways or we just hide every time Russia decides to take another old satellite country back.