Abortions - Why so bad?

a reply to: Grenade

Bull Sh##

You show those pictures to a 5 year old, and they're not going to say, "Hey, that looks like a human baby!"

This isn't a biology issue. It's an emotional trick forced birthers use to try to convince people that pictures that pull heart strings are more important than the lives of the women carrying those embryos/fetuses.

You should know, because you're the one who started it with the pictures of "babies" in this thread, to make your point; women have less value than their potential offspring.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

We need to value human life, that's it in a nutshell. Love for our children is the last part of our humanity we should lose. They're a gift from God and worth any and all sacrifice.

a reply to: Grenade

I don't believe in God, or that life is a gift from a supreme being. Life is hard, unfair, and lethal.

Women don't want to have as many babies as they can, biologically. They want to have as many babies as they want, when they want.

Abortion bans have always failed to stop abortions. They just stop safe abortions for low income and otherwise disenfranchised women.

a reply to: quintessentone
Again:

What freedoms are being taken?
The only human rights being violated are the rights of the human who is put to death.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grenade

How about you ask your 5 year old nephew what these non-enhanced pictures look like.

10 weeks

11 weeks

www.gettyimages.com...

Or these, colored but not enhanced to make it look more like a newborn..

10 weeks

or this one at 6 weeks

Do you see the difference now?

And you looked exactly the same at that stage of your life cycle.
You are being silly, grow up.

a reply to: Annee
Not "potential".

Is/Are.

No opinions, no feelz.

They are human beings, not potential humans, Human Beings.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Well make your choices before killing another human being.
You are making life more " hard, unfair, and lethal", for an entire group of human beings based solely on your feelz and opinion.

a reply to: Quadrivium

You are making life more " hard, unfair, and lethal", for an entire group of human beings based solely on your feelz and opinion.

That's not true at all. In fact, abortion can be the kindest thing to do, especially for "ungodly children" who are just destined for hell anyway.

Well make your choices before killing another human being.

Sometimes, that's just not possible, as we can't foresee the future.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

That's not true at all. In fact, abortion can be the kindest thing to do, especially for "ungodly children" who are just destined for hell anyway.

So....
You don't believe in God, you just want to be God? Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
No one should have the right to decide who is worthy to live and who is worthy to die.
You have NO idea how their life will be. You can guess, that's about it.

Sometimes, that's just not possible, as we can't foresee the future.

Agreed.
Knowing this still does not justify killing another human being for convenience (in 99% of abortion cases).
As you said, "life is not fair". Yet, one human being should not have the right to kill another for convenience, especially when their choice to create that life was freely made.

a reply to: Quadrivium

You don't believe in God, you just want to be God?

I'm just conveying the godly argument my family and church pastor gave me for insisting that I abort my daughter. Abortion, saving souls from hell, one embryo/fetus at a time.

The God argument is hypocritical no matter how you throw it around.

No one should have the right to decide who is worthy to live and who is worthy to die.

Women should and do have the right to decide whether or not they're going to donate their body to house, feed and suffer through everything else she's going to sacrifice for the potential life of another.

Knowing this still does not justify killing another human being for convenience

The reason a woman decides to exercise her reproductive rights doesn't matter.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee
Not "potential".

Is/Are.

No opinions, no feelz.

They are human beings, not potential humans, Human Beings.

Ah, Yes!

That spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) never called me mommy.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I'm just conveying the godly argument my family and church pastor gave me for insisting that I abort my daughter. Abortion, saving souls from hell, one embryo/fetus at a time.

The God argument is hypocritical no matter how you throw it around

You are the only one trying to make this a religious argument.
Like Slavery and the Holocaust, this is an issue about Human rights and Morality.
Do you have to believe in God to have Morals?

The reason a woman decides to exercise her reproductive rights doesn't matter.

Again, you show no basic understanding of reality.
In 99% of abortions, every man and woman had "reproduction" rights. They freely chose to engage in the act of reproduction.
Once that new human comes into being, they have successfully used their "reproductive" rights.
What they want, at any point after that, is someone else's right to life.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee
Not "potential".

Is/Are.

No opinions, no feelz.

They are human beings, not potential humans, Human Beings.

Ah, Yes!

That spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) never called me mommy.

They died a natural death.
If they would have lived, they would have called you mommy, just as the one that was killed would have.

a reply to: Quadrivium

You are the only one trying to make this a religious argument.

Nope. Grenade is the one claiming that all fertilized eggs are a "gift from God", not me.

Like Slavery and the Holocaust, this is an issue about Human rights and Morality.

It is. It's about either treating women like chattel, and forcing them to give birth to babies they don't want, or recognizing that women are autonomous people with rights that supersede the potential seed they're carrying.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee
Not "potential".

Is/Are.

No opinions, no feelz.

They are human beings, not potential humans, Human Beings.

Ah, Yes!

That spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) never called me mommy.

They died a natural death.
If they would have lived, they would have called you mommy, just as the one that was killed would have.

Didn't live.

Not able to call me Mommy.

Potential human. Not a child.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Nope. Grenade is the one claiming that all fertilized eggs are a "gift from God", not me.

Point taken.
Clarification:
You are the only one trying to make this a religious argument between you and I.

It is. It's about either treating women like chattel, and forcing them to give birth to babies they don't want, or recognizing that women are autonomous people with rights that supersede the potential seed they're carrying.

Wait....What?
So, in your opinion (in 99% of cases), the Slaves made a choice to be a slave?
The Jews willingly ran into the gas chambers???
There seems to be a problem with your synapses not firing in the right order or something.....

a reply to: Annee

Potential human.

Did the "Person-hood Fairy" whisper that term in your ear?
There is no such thing, once fertilization has taken place. Like the "person-hood fairy", it is make-believe and only exists in your mind.
From conception to death, A human being is a human being.
ETA: Context

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee

Potential human.

Did the "Person-hood Fairy" whisper that term in your ear?
There is no such thing, once fertilization has taken place. Like the "person-hood fairy", it is make-believe and only exists in your mind.
From conception to death, A human being is a human being.
ETA: Context

Atheists don't believe in fairies.

You need to bring something new to the table.

a reply to: Quadrivium

the Slaves made a choice to be a slave?

I'm not Kanye West, Dude.

State enforced forced birth is involuntary servitude, i.e. slavery