If you were President, what would be the appropriate solution?

First, some disclaimer stuff: I do not support Biden. I do not have the unending support of Trump, either. I view all men equally flawed and yadda yadda. So don't @ me with your decries of "lefty!" or "Bootlicker!" or whatever else. Let's get down to brass tacks.


So- lets set the stage. You're an incumbent president- maybe you're a polarizing president. Doesn't matter your approval rating, its inconsequential. Your political rival, the guy who sat in your seat a couple years ago, who hasn't announced a real intention to run for office again, but has stayed in the wings, ever present.

Let's say, for imagination purposes only (calm down, not saying its real), that there is good reason to believe that he had committed crimes, and to get the evidence you need, there needs to be action taken through the DOJ, FBI, ATF, NSA, or any other three letter alphabet soup you can name.

What, in your very educated opinion ATS, would be the proper way to go about this task, without rallying the opposing party or losing constituents? Is there a proper way to oversee this operation, or do you leave it to the proper authorities to get the wherewithal to act on their own? What if they don't, due to inaction, overwork, or any other reason?


Share your thoughts. Pretty interested. All we've talked about is how wrong the current situation is, but I'm not sure I can come up with a solution myself that would lend itself to actually investigating if the cause was true and legitimate.

(IF it was. IF. Big IF.)

in fairness the division started ago and not just in the USA but across the Western world the key issue we have is successive parties & leaders have played to the divisions and the media have used it as click bait to survive their own demise. the west seems to exist at this point just for division and conflict.

This is a forever decreasing circle that can only lead to one conclusion.. internal strife and conflict between the various factions like the 1920s and 30s..

what we need across the west are political heavyweights who live the morals they espouse and not just understand but can convey the fixes could take generation of cross party support rather than a single term in office, infighting and finger pointing.

at points I come to the conclusion we are heading for collapse and maybe the ensuing strife is the only way we'll build anew, I lurch between expressing that as a collapse like the fall of the soviets or the reformation.

a reply to: Iconic

Well if I were president

1. I wouldn't black mail those companies to find evidence after they clearly told me nothing was found in prior attempts when they were initiated by other congress members. I would consider repeated attempts an abuse of power.

2. If my political opponent did commit a crime, it would of already been found during one of the 100 trials the rest of congress already dragged him through. I have faith in that fact, that I wouldn't have to resort to blackmailing and firing and going after everyone who calls him a friend, buddy or pal. Just to force him to stand down on something he didn't even say he was going to do yet.

3. If I were president I would probably of fired ALL of current congress for inciting riots and destruction of cities, also conspiracy to commit terroristic activity by saying that if they don't vote for me there will be a civil war and more (yes the proof is there: said live and through their own social media). Secondly on point 3 I would of picked a better running mate that had real qualifications to deal with REAL issues at the boarder instead of going to an ice cream parlor instead.

4. I would feel like # if I didn't earn my way into that kind of position without really earning it. If he had questioned any authenticity on the grand scales that have been done that got me into office. I would of been at the head of the investigation, to ensure that I won legitimately. Instead of calling anyone who supported my opponent a terrorist and an enemy to the country in which I hold dear enough to put before myself for 4 -8years.

5. I would make a speech that it was time to put the past behind us, and do my damndest to unite both parties. I would listen to those on BOTH sides with an open mind. I would clearly state that we all suffered the past few years. I would straight up refuse to rob the American people of their money to support a war that has nothing to do with us. I would also of actually been honest with those who supported this effort of aiding another country and let them know the possibilities of any and all fallouts.

5. A - I would set up an organization to accept DONATIONS by those who want to help. This money would be sent to ukraine. I would not force this or punish my own people by putting someone else first.
5. B - I would create a new head who's sole job is hire a group of people to ask the American PEOPLE their biggest grievances, and what changes THEY would like to see.
5. C - I would of kept WHO completely off the paylist, I would of defunded 'gender studies' in other countries. As I clearly believe if we have enough money to send BILLIONS to other countries, then MY PEOPLE ARE BEING TAXED TO MUCH.
5. D - I would penalize companies who are pushing inflation without PROOF of CHAIN ISSUES. Aka - the farm down the street delivering food to a local store, that store should NOT be jacking up the price 50%.
5. E - Gas subsidies for those companies who show such proof of issues due to energy costs. If a farmer in Nevada can't bring his produce to New Jersey because of gas costs. They would be reimbursed the difference. While penalizing ANY energy company who is 'breaking profit records' because it shows that the company itself has zero issues in dealing with said supply. They would be taxed the difference without loopholes and used to fund this program.

6. I would actually bring my political opponent on stage, and LISTEN TO HIM,I would develope a relationship with said person like they USE TO DO, TO BE A BETTER LEADER.. If the election was as 'close' as it was, between Biden and Trump, I would probably put Trump as a cabinet member. Because 'no other election in US history was that close'. So close that there was about what a 10k difference? So obviously not being a moron he offers something a lot of American's want. Only a TRUE leader would actually invite him onto the Cabinet. Because he represented ALL THOSE PEOPLE who showed up on Jan 6th. I would want their support too for any actual changes.

Sometimes being a good leader, is giving a little instead of taking everything. I personally believe that we would not of had the divide if President Biden didn't get sworn in and damn everyone who voted for Trump within 5minutes, He wasn't even in office a day and erased a lot of GOOD policies that Trump had created lawfully with congressional vote. I would of never done anything like that I would of looked at each one and put my two cents in on how to improve good policies, maybe add incentives. I would of NEVER ALLOWED MY PARTY TO BULLY MY ACTIONS just so they could get what they want.

I would completely do away with lobbying, limit funding towards elections. Even if I was as old as Biden, I wouldn't of turned down a cog test 2dozen times. As THE WORLD RELYS ON ME. I could never be in an office and not put 100%, and *IF* my polls dropped as low as Biden's, I would probably step down. Because I ain't doing any world any actual favors by being the LOWEST RATED PRESIDENT/LEADER IN HISTORY OF THE WORLD. I love and respect my country to damn much to let it be turned into the laughing stock of the world. of China.

That my friend is just the start. There is a hell of a lot more I personally would do, to change and of completely avoided this bull# dictatorship. But alas I ain't no politician, because those people up there. Have zero heart for the actual people.


They should NOT be allowed to pass x numbers of term in ANY office.. and i'm pretty sure when the average lifespan was 50yr Our forefather's never dreamed people staying in any form of political office from the age of 20 to 90+.

As life terms were specifically for THE SUPREME COURT ONLY. As stated by the constitution, there is only 1 branch that is 'legally' allowed to be held by the same person indefinitely. If you were allowed to 'chair swap' just to stay in office.. This wouldn't of been a direct declaration that only the Supreme Court can hold a lifetime membership.

So I would probably have the Supreme Court; those responsible for this interpretation of the laws written. To clarify, speculate, and define exactly what this means to everyone in office now and in the future. As should the case be made in such a way, it would cut down on Corruption. Probably bring FAITH back to the government from the people and more.

That is another thing, All those involved in heckling the Supreme Court as a politician would be charged with treason. Why? Because the supreme court is the one that defines the rules. They don't make it, that's the Legislative branch: that's the people YOU VOTE FOR. So those who literally attacked them for zero reason. Should take it up with the politicians to adjust/write/define or reiterate political issues. As i'm pretty sure that they go into extreme detail and wording when requesting aid and money for themselves and friends.. for 90% of any/all bill they decide to pass. That they could DEFINE/write/adjust a bill that was passed. (FYI it's called an amendment: they do it all the time. Supreme court only define's what is written, they can't add their own words.)

With that said, I would adjust funding and make it MANDATORY in schooling that ALL people learn how their government works. I would make it part of the graduation test, from elementary, middle & high school.

a reply to: Iconic

You asked, I answered. I hope that gives you some extra insight.

I could get into other thing's like how Hillary Clinton actually was contacting world leader's while not being in a current office, all while making decisions with said leader's is a bigger issue then a guy having paper's he already gone through and read. If it was for treason; the fact that he READ those papers, studied those papers, held those paper's in his hand. He would be a liability should he TRULY wish to harm the US. He doesn't need paper's to recite what was on those documents. Or to even sit there and rewrite it now that he is out of office.

So, with that said. Yeah he should of left them at the office, BUT Is it a crime? Not really, he already know's what's on the papers. Classified or not, he HAS clearance. That Clearance and his memory doesn't END when his term did, you can have your clearance removed from 'current' events, aka stuff you don't already know about, but to remove clearance on something they already know.. that has NEVER happened before to a President.

To even begin to think that it did on any scale is not only moronic.. But you better have a way to mindwipe every person who has ever had that intel in official office. Because realistically, they are ALL just as liable.. "Accidents" like that happen where he could of been authorized or signed those documents out (like they all do). Brought it home, and through folly and farse trials and other engagements simply forgot to return them. Or even remember that he had them.

So him being charged with any form of holding papers he had clearance to, is a load of crap. Strictly an abuse of power, that only goes to show how POOR of a leader Biden is.

If Biden were a proper leader, Trump would of been in Cabinet. If Biden had a brain cell, he'd of used Trump's experience to his advantage. He'd of turned around and made an ALLY out of Trump, and his followers instead of an enemy and demanding half the US is nothing more then domestic terrorist. So there's a hell of a lot he could of done differently. At the very least, even if he didn't do anything else of the above. He should of gotten him on board as part of his Cabinet. Even if it were just for show of a 'united front'. It would of been a thousand times better then demonizing everyone who associated/cheered/rooted him.

Who knows, maybe just maybe if he thought you were 'cool' enough he'd of gone and confessed on his own to you.
As they say, keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

a reply to: BlackArrow

Fantastic answer.

The spinelessnes, incompetence, and corruption in the current regime is causing a complete lack of confidence in an increasingly larger portion of the population every day.

It may already be past the point of fixing.

If I was president the appropriate solution would be to get a different president!

Same applies currently.

a reply to: Iconic

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: BlackArrow

Fantastic answer.

The spinelessnes, incompetence, and corruption in the current regime is causing a complete lack of confidence in an increasingly larger portion of the population every day.

It may already be past the point of fixing.

It is past the point of fixing in most major cities these days.

I would ensure that the two leading corporations - BlackRock & Vanguard - pay all owed back taxes & all taxes going forward (according to appropriately revised demands). I would make radically advanced medical technologies available to all who have developed 'turbo cancers' because of the vaccine bioweapon scamdemic. I would investigate the PLANdemic with extreme prejudice against the originators & facilitators. Major leaders of the conspiracy would be tried for treason & crimes against humanity, with the automatic death penalty as the advised outcomes where they are found guilty. I would immediately halt the sending of weapons & aid to Ukraine - they've had enough already.

I would attempt to trace the illegal financial dealings of the Bidens & other powerful criminal elites such as the Clintons. I would seek to remove corruption in politics, regulatory bodies & big business by a massive redirection of all superfluous investigative federal agents uselessly/punitively employed in the IRS & other similar services.

I would ban LGBTQ+ from being taught to children under the age of 14 yrs old. I would make a huge effort to track & stop human trafficking. I would institute the death penalty for serious assaults against minors which are driven by paedophilia.

I would lighten sentencing penalties for many other crimes, many of which are ludicrously excessive - and I would implement community work orders for low level non-violent drug & theft-for-survival offences. I would decriminalise most drugs, except for those which do massive physical & mental harm to those who are hooked on them (such as crack & methamphetamine). I would increase financial & housing support for disabled people, with several special privileges for veterans. I would treat opioid abuse as a health issue, and I would seek to provide free rehab to any & all persons who seriously wanted to get off drugs of all sorts, and I would ensure that affordable housing is available to all who are plagued with homelessness, using novel solutions (such as the prefabricated house-in-a-box, or converted container homes, erected on derelict brownfield sites which have remained unused for over ten years, which can be easily converted to suitability as a basic, safe neighbourhood).

I would immediately implement large scale trials of psychoactive drugs such as Psilocybin mushrooms & MDMA in the treatment of severe depression & PTSD respectively, because they are already proven to be incredible therapeutics in the small scale trials that have been conducted around the world.

I would put an end to communist & extreme left-wing sympathisers such as Southern Poverty Law Centre, radical elements in the Democratic party & criminal activist organisations such as ANTIFA. I would implement revisions to policy in line with Libertarian values, and major policy changes/ aid provision would be subject to advisory input from the people in the form of referendums. I would re-implement the many positive executive orders which Trump established when he was in office, which precipitated great positive changes in the economy, and I would definitely aim to put America first.

That's all I can think of for now!

a reply to: BlackArrow

Awesome looking reply from what I had time to glance through, unfortunately won't have time to read thoroughly till I get home in a couple hours but I will reply henceforth.

Purpose of the post was just to further the discussion passed the shallowness I've seen around the subject, and it looks like we got there on page one!

a reply to: Iconic

if after 6 years of investigations and lies, in which my party had been caught red handed in, and I thought I finally had the real deal, the only way to make it even appear to be "on the level" would be to announce publicly what the chares are, and why they are so important.

You have most here who are the loudest Trump supporters (not that you were referring to him) saying that if he's guilty of a crime, lock him up. So if it's a real crime, you have all that momentum on your side. The "right" is claiming to be all about law and order. The left, isn't, but claims "nobody is above the law".

But there is a little snag, if there is a crime, it needs to be announced soon, because if it's done after the elections for 2024 start, and "that guy" announces he is running, it will be really hard to make anyone believe it's not a political hit.

remember, the boy who cried wolf was eaten by the wolf, because he was full of sh!t too many times.

a reply to: Iconic

Call in every state and federal agency, and demand that they lock her up, of course.

originally posted by: Iconic
What, in your very educated opinion ATS, would be the proper way to go about this task, without rallying the opposing party or losing constituents? Is there a proper way to oversee this operation, or do you leave it to the proper authorities to get the wherewithal to act on their own? What if they don't, due to inaction, overwork, or any other reason?

How do you go about the task, whether you are POTUS or a 3 letter agency?

FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION

That would be a start.

They have no CAUSE to start with.

We need an autonomous collective, an anarcho-syndicalist commune. That take turns acting as a sort of executive officer for the week. But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting by a simple majority
in the case of internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority on external issues. Proposed by Professors Cleese, Chapman, Idle, Gilliam,Jones, and Palin

I'd rather have a figurehead as President, but all bills and laws need to be streamlined and put to a vote where the public and those who choose to participate can vote on. One issue one vote no more bills with riders on pork barrels and special interests issues.

This is how the fantasy sports business blossomed, it was attached to a huge homeland security bill, now tell me how are those topics and issues related?

One issue, one person, one vote

I know most don't trust the tech, but damn do we trust our representatives? I'd rather have CSPAN televise our representatives briefly debating each issue and as well as the Representatives voting the public could vote too. For the public, they would have to find a way to make it secure and somewhat trackable down to the district level. So for example each district would have a registry for each proposed law that has the voters in the district that want to participate, obviously not sure how to keep it all secure and on the up and up, but if they were gonna want to track who has been vaccinated and how many boosters couldn't we use the same tech for voting and voting not just on our elected officials but actually vote on each bill that concerns each of us. that would certainly limit the influence of lobbyists and who knows instead of paying a few representatives they could spread that around to the voters.

I'd rather give that a try than the current system, I'd definitely like to see something like this on the state level. Right now it seems a few in power have too much influence.

We need to adjust the system but not lose the principles behind our democracy. It feels like our current set of politicians try and turn everything into a national issue to park and enflame their respective bases and they know how to use the current system when it ought to be up to each state, county, and even district.

Who knows if in the future we had different laws in different districts, perhaps we would realize the futility of doing this on certain issues and perhaps learn to be better at compromising for the common good.

originally posted by: Iconic

Let's say, for imagination purposes only (calm down, not saying its real), that there is good reason to believe that he had committed crimes, and to get the evidence you need, there needs to be action taken through the DOJ, FBI, ATF, NSA, or any other three letter alphabet soup you can name.

What, in your very educated opinion ATS, would be the proper way to go about this task

The first step would be to recognize that you have no function in this situation. As President, it is not your "task" to deal with. If there is evidence or reasonable suspicion of illegal activity, let the appropriate agencies deal with it and stay out of it.

A President has no business getting involved in an investigation of a potential political rival, any more than he has getting involved in a parking ticket in Cleveland.

A decent President would be focused on improving the country, even though that's considered "semi-facist" today. A President doing his job wouldn't be concerned with things like political parties, rivalries, re-elections, or anything else that doesn't help the country or the people.

a reply to: BlackArrow
You just earned my vote!