Spiritual guidance from an Atheist

originally posted by: KindraLabelle2

originally posted by: whereislogic

Do you believe it is a coincidence that your beliefs are in tune with what is quite popular in the entertainment industry and amongst entertainment stars as well as prominent popular philosophers, gurus and even quite a few scientists (because of being promoted as spiritually enlightened and insightful, and in the last case, scientific)?

What do you think of this question: “If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?” (I'll tell you who I'm quoting later) Do you think it's a clever question that relates to some of your beliefs you talked about above (such as simulation theory, holographic universe, and what you said before that)?

Without an observer the tree doesn't even exist.

You mean to tell us that the moon doesn't exist until you look at it? -Einstein

hehe stay awhile...

a reply to: kennyb72

Reality is not subjective... period, end of discussion.

now where's the Philosophy and Metaphysics section?

According to the British philosopher Victoria S. Harrison, the category of "Eastern philosophy", and similarly "Asian philosophy" and "Oriental philosophy" is a product of 19th-century Western scholarship and did not exist in East Asia or India. This is because in Asia there is no single unified philosophical tradition with a single root, but various autonomous traditions that have come into contact with each other over time.

Eastern Philosophy

a reply to: cooperton

It would be unjust for God to punish someone who lives in a remote region and has never heard of Jesus of Nazareth.

So, you're theorizing based on your judgment of justice, and what is just, and why some people really don't need Jesus' sacrifice. But t's just spin. For 2000 plus years, plenty of people have come and gone in this world never knowing the story of Jesus. According to some Christians, those souls reside in Limbo, awaiting Jesus to finally finish his job.

Why does your just god allow suffering in the first place? Oh yeah, more spin...it's our fault. Your god's gaming opponent seems to be winning, but it is written in a dusty old book that, in the end, he won't. Your savior, so it written, is going to come back and destroy everything to build it back better and reign over us. Then, they'll be no more mistakes!

Good thing you guys are here insulting atheists! What would god do without you? Just let all those retarded souls be damned.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Well if you have a scientific mind, ya supposed to investigate it before you reject anything .. As I tried to explain, most of modern physics has been around for a very long time. Einstein made many false assumptions and I am certain if he where alive today he would come up with much better solutions.

Many of our theoretical physicists reference the Vedic scripts because it helps to view the Eastern understanding of Philosophy and Science through the lens of advanced scientific investigation. So much truth is being discovered that has actively been kept secret from us both spiritually and scientifically .. cognitive dissonance really, really REALLY sucks!

Spirituality is science yet to be understood .. everybody who is not an atheist understand the reality of other realms of existence beyond current scientific scrutiny. That is all it is! .. it's all there! .. most of the world already knows about it .. except for a few scientific people with mudded insight. I am aware that it may interest many scientists .. but who is going to fund their research. And therein lies another tale.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
They are playing make believe. It's actually just another one of the lies they tell everyone. Scripture says everyone knows the truth. It is instilled deep within all humanity. They use this crutch, as a form of rebellion, but it actually shows weakness and dishonesty. Most of these people also engage in human control tactics, and destruction of governments through the passing of immoral laws. The further you try to distance creation from God, the more creation begins to die.

Scripture says that we do not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. It also describes in Revelation what happens when God ceases speaking those words. The Universe melts

"the universe melts"

o rly? the entire cosmic vista just dissolves because humans lost their faith? tell me more

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: iamthevirus

Reality is not subjective... period, end of discussion.

Please provide evidence that reality is not subjective. I could plug directly into your brain a whole new existence by mimicking and modifying the bioelectric signals from each of your physical senses and replacing them with whatever I program you to see.

Welcome to Meta! or at least an existence that looks more lifelike .. You vill own nossink and you vil be haaaappy

Dump the Wicki if you want to learn facts!

The previous 3.5 billion years before vertebrate life emerged in the ecology of terra firma. No sentient organisms available to "witness" and therefore manifest reality or any of the behaviors of particle physics and subsequent chemistry. The same result if a mass extinction level event decimates or eradicates our species.

a reply to: kennyb72

Well they get all kooky with it that's why, Quantum is an infection being purged as we speak... string theory has become cult pseudoscience.

Huge prob with the Quantum, it's all untestable and can not be presented via experiment, which happens to be the definition of "science"

Subjective reality takes and Objective argument to even suggest being true, "philosophically" it doesn't work there either.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Reality is not subjective... period, end of discussion.

Please provide evidence that reality is not subjective. I could plug directly into your brain a whole new existence by mimicking and modifying the bioelectric signals from each of your physical senses and replacing them with whatever I program you to see.

Welcome to Meta! or at least an existence that looks more lifelike .. You vill own nossink and you vil be haaaappy

Dump the Wicki if you want to learn facts!

a reply to: kennyb72

ok start here, hope you have 80 hours to spare...



then we'll take this to the philosophy section.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Well scientific experimentation is already occurring and the overwhelming evidence shows that consciousness in non local.
Proof that thought can alter our physical reality.

It is accepted that science can now measure electromagnetic radiation emanating from a human from several yards away.

I wonder if you believe in Television? .. maybe that is pseudoscience as well. Its perfectly obvious to all of us that there must be a cable attached to the TV station, otherwise it's all mumbo jumbo. You must duck as you see those objective waves heading in your direction lol.

ok start here, hope you have 80 hours to spare...

Oh great! lets go through it together so we can cross reference.

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: iamthevirus

Well scientific experimentation is already occurring and the overwhelming evidence shows that consciousness in non local.
Proof that thought can alter our physical reality.

It is accepted that science can now measure electromagnetic radiation emanating from a human from several yards away.

I wonder if you believe in Television? .. maybe that is pseudoscience as well. Its perfectly obvious to all of us that there must be a cable attached to the TV station, otherwise it's all mumbo jumbo. You must duck as you see those objective waves heading in your direction lol.

None of that has anything to do with noetics. Which you probably haven't heard of before seeing the word here.

a reply to: TzarChasm

None of that has anything to do with noetics. Which you probably haven't heard of before seeing the word here.

No! you are correct, thank you for introducing me to that word.

If you would like to discuss intelligence and metaphysics .. I would enjoy that!

a reply to: kennyb72

Just know that objective reality says nature is knowable, that is westen philosophy and what brought us this far.

Christian theology and Greek philosophy had an amalgamation at Antioch which defines "western civilization" -the mixing of the two.

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: TzarChasm

None of that has anything to do with noetics. Which you probably haven't heard of before seeing the word here.

No! you are correct, thank you for introducing me to that word.

If you would like to discuss intelligence and metaphysics .. I would enjoy that!

Intelligence is a haughty label for creatures who think being clever is the same thing as earning respect or credibility.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” - Albert Einstein

a reply to: iamthevirus

I told ya about wiki! stop doing it lol .. Objective reality means the subject under examination can be tested empirically and falsifiable with our own physical senses.

Herein lies the problem .. Modern Scientific Method excludes the very thing that will open the secrets of the Universe.

The Kingdom of God is within .. and so is our actual reality .. this is the illusion.

a reply to: kennyb72

yes I've seen those same movies you have @@ doesn't hold a candle to an actual education on the subject


Nature is knowable hence Objective... this give rise to the birth of the scientific method, all of our art, culture, science and literature.

Greek philosophy is the original science but after the amalgamation we begin to see the rise of what we define as the practice of science and not pure philosophy of the mind.

Science is science and that's where it comes from "Objectivity" about the world around us.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Intelligence is a haughty label for creatures who think being clever is the same thing as earning respect or credibility.

Interesting tangent! .. earning respect from whom? That is all that really matters, and you couldn't get more subjective than determining a persons credibility. That generally involves cold hard cash, I'm sure you understand what I am saying.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” - Albert Einstein

What believes its stupid? .. The tree? or the fish? .. Einstein said that? are you sure?

a reply to: iamthevirus

I bet your computer speed is down to a crawl with all those Wiki pages open lol

a reply to: kennyb72

I gave you some easy reading

the first people to call themselves Christians were Greek scientific philosophers.

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: TzarChasm

Intelligence is a haughty label for creatures who think being clever is the same thing as earning respect or credibility.

Interesting tangent! .. earning respect from whom? That is all that really matters, and you couldn't get more subjective than determining a persons credibility. That generally involves cold hard cash, I'm sure you understand what I am saying.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” - Albert Einstein

What believes its stupid? .. The tree? or the fish? .. Einstein said that? are you sure?

I suggest you go back and reread until you actually comprehend words instead of just regurgitating them.

a reply to: TzarChasm

DP