truss: [verb] to secure tightly

a reply to: Freeborn

I agree as for that love child it was just a bit of trivia and quite humorous as I don't think he looks like them at all but he I do believe really believes it.

We are stronger together but while the likes of the SNP steal labour votes and the likes of Keir Starmer and his click of London upper middle class false labour ruin what is Left of Labour, well we need REAL labour back.

Still I strongly suggest Keir will walk away with the next election but until then Truss has a Conservative majority so the cruel B can pretty much do whatever she want's to the people and strip all our right's away, her second in command Coffee is the one whom refused to release the official investigation report's figures into how many had died due to TORY alterations to the welfare and benefit system but since universal credit about a 125 to a 130 thousand was the leaked figure, remember the real figure will likely be many times higher and this is only the numbers for universal credit and does not take into account the numbers for those whom have died in the past 12 years of Tory dictatorship such as those sanctioned before UC and those kicked off there disability benefit's by ATOS etc or those that died of starvation and cold having had there benefits cut by the DWP during this time.

They also lie about employment figures, you work a few hours a week under a zero hours contract, have to feed yourself from a food bank on stale out of date food and cant even put your heating on or maybe can't even afford the rent and you are employed so don't appear on these stat's, you are ill but get sanctioned and you don't appear on those states, you are homeless and you don't appear on those stat's.

Guess what I am saying is the Tory's are fraudster's, thieves, liars and murderers.

a reply to: LABTECH767

You won't hear me disagreeing with anything you've said about The Tories.

The Nats are self-serving, self-advancing daydreamers....but that's something the Scots have to figure out for themselves.
My only comment on that at present is that personally I'd hate to think I was a new, fledgling independent country in the uncertain world we are entering.
We have far more in common and that unites us than what divides us.
But its their shout....

Labour are a farce.
They've turned their back on their core, traditional vote.....a group who are desperate for someone to stand up and start representing them, their wishes and best interests.

The only thing I know is that I don't have the answers.

Interesting times.

So, a 'mini budget' next Friday.

Tax cuts - most beneficial to the wealthiest.
Scrap NI rise - good, but minimal real impact.....and it still leaves us with a huge amount of money to find at some point.
Scrap 'green' levies - benefit the energy companies who are already making obscenely record profits on the back of other peoples misery.
Uncapped bonuses - no benefit at all to those most affected by the cost of living crisis and energy price rises.

And anyone who tries to justify it by proclaiming the benefits of trickle down economics is deluded.
Its bollocks.

a reply to: Freeborn

Absolute agreement with what you say.

As for Labour it was first infiltrated then taken over.

I can't prove this but back in the 60's and then again in the 70's there was that well known coup plot that supposedly never took place but during it they had the agreement of the CIA in the US to go ahead and stage the coup against Harold Wilsons Labour Government, to be in contact with the CIA they obviously had to go through MI5 or one of the other MI departments.

Though the Coup did not take place - at least not openly this very strongly suggests that a plan was put into motion to subvert Labour and to turn it into a controlled opposition party which in affect turned our nation into a one party state, two faces to the same coin.

I suspect New Labour was an engineered take over of the Labour Party ran by one of the MI agency's and that they very much have THERE Men in control.

Corbyn simply meant there control slipped but as soon as it did there mechanism including there plants within the Labour Party, the Media and other avenues then spent probably millions on a covert operation to blacken and discredit him in the public eye, this included the MI agency getting the Israeli's involved probably via there contacts and friends in Mossad whom helped to whip up anti Corbyn support in the Jewish community's here and the then blackening of Corbyn's character with the utterly nonsense claims about him being anti Semitic when in fact he was the exact opposite, oh he did not agree with some of the actions of the Israeli state but I think that can be said about pretty much everyone including likely millions of Jewish people that also do not agree with everything that state does.

But the media blackening was so loud the reasonable voices were drowned out, the Labour party being under the control of that MI agency which links back to those coup plots of the 60's and 70's was all too quick to blacken it's own leader and put into power one of there plant's namely Starmer whom is as far from a labour leader as you could possibly get while still being a Labour Leader.

But this is not about a former Labour Leader so I am not meaning to off topic as I believe if he could have been persuaded to take the job that John McDonell was a far better potential leader.

I personally did not agree with Corbyn's stance on Defence and immigration but otherwise rather than being EXTREME Left his plans were pretty reasonable and actually correct, restore our nation for ITS People.

But I guess no point in crying about spilled milk, we have to put up with a devil woman for a prime minister after a clown for one after a heartless pair before him.

The damage Truss will do over the next two years with that conservative majority will likely take decades to fix if it is ever fixed, she will be even more hated by Thatcher though especially if they rig the next election to keep her in power.

And I do believe that Miliband had an election win stolen from him through rigging, I do also believe that possibly while being blackmailed OR bought off to accept it that Kinnock's last election as leader of Labour was also rigged putting two illegitimate Tory governments into power on those occasions.

I do wonder how many will die this year and if they will just plonk them in with the higher than average death statistics we are already recording due to another cause that is on another topic.

I wish though, oh how I wish to God that we could see Truss having to go to the food bank because she could not afford to feed herself and her family, to see Truss with nerve damage in her back, arthritis down her neck, a damaged right hand, a bad heart and chronic ocular migraine's being told that there was nothing wrong with her by a pen pushing assessor whom get's paid a bonus for putting sick people of there benefits and told to go and look for work in an area were there are no job's only for an out of touch toff prime minister to tell her to move somewhere that there are job's when she does not have the money to even feed herself let along move half the country away making herself homeless in the process on the off chance someone might decide to give her a low paying job picking bloody mushrooms on a farm somewhere.

But no Scum like that floats to the top, sneers down at hard working people and tells them they don't work hard enough and then mock's them while planning to mass assassinate them through social cleansing benefit cut's and starving there kids by not paying for school meals for the little tykes.

The Tory's are frankly beyond reprehensible, they are beyond redemption.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Corbyn is a despicable human being who completely sold out and abandoned Labour's core, traditional vote.
His pro-IRA stance is a disgrace and his support for terrorism in general just speaks volumes about the man.

He has probably done more to turn ordinary, everyday, Labour supporters away from the party than any other individual.

Momentum also has much to answer for.

In my town we had an exceptionally good Labour MP.
I didn't agree with some of her policies etc but she worked tirelessly for her constituents.
She refused to publicly condemn Corbyn but she was NOT a Corbynista....far from it.
She was de-selected by Momentum because of her refusal to publicly support Corbyn knowing her constituents have no time or respect for the man.
Her Corbyn loving Momentum replacement was soundly beaten by a Tory candidate who has no ties at all with the region and is more or less absent. He was viewed by many as preferable to everything Corbyn and Momentum represent.

I don't think it was a unique situation.

And so we have a Tory government.

a reply to: Freeborn

With regards to the IRA (My grandfather was British military intelligence and fought them) I totally agree, with regards to the Falklands which you never mentions I also agree he was wrong, with regards to his stance on migration into the UK and the EU he was also wrong, with regards to his stance on putting minority right's ahead of majority rights he was also wrong but actually as to his policy's for the most part he did not sell out the core labour values of Moderate Socialism, of state owned infrastructure and transport.

Tony Blair DID sell labour out, he sabotaged the NHS by turning it into privatisation ready NHS trusts and broke it up into smaller more easily sold off parts.

Tony Blair was NOT traditional labour, he did not represent Labour's core values and neither does Starmer.

If you want to know who turned people away from Labour it was those blaming Labour for the faults created by the Tory's and by New Labour.

Now if you want to go back to Core Labour values then I recommend you go back to Clement Atlee, he was TRUE Labour.

If you regard Blair or Labour as Core Labour you could not be more wrong and actually despite his failings and they were many Corbyn like Foot Before him was much closer to true original traditional labour simple as that.

I am a bit pissed because my MP Rosie Cooper is stepping down, she has taken a well paying job and we will lose her in west Lancashire which is sad as though to be fair she was not outspoken enough in Parliament she was a decent enough MP overall.

Remember that little cum stain from Skem (Skelmersdale) in West Lancashire that wanted to murder her because he was a neo Nazi moron or something.


Here is where the immigration began, back when India was nearly independent and we were withdrawing from the continent the government placed non other than the same Lord Mountbatten whom was later murdered by the IRA, he was also a top ranking freemason and linked to the conservatives later even been slated to become prime minister in the coup plot against Harold Wilson's government in the 1970's but I digress, it was said that while speaking off the cuff on India he said "Why don't you come and live with us".

After the war there was a severe shortage of manpower due to the need to extensively rebuild and the loss of manpower during the war so word leaked out to the colonies that we needed men to come and work in our factory's etc.

But along with the windrush migrants to the UK were lots and lots of Indian's and Pakistani's, slowly but inexorably the flood gates opened.

Though the TORYS started this they blamed Labour and in what can be seen as a genuine betrayal of there core voters most of whom were not keen on foreigners moving in next door Labour became pro migrant and pretty soon people forget whom to blame.

So they blamed Labour.

But yes Corbyn has his failings not least his defence policy and the damned stupid international statement he would NEVER use our nuclear deterrent if we were attacked (which to be frank was a Moronic moment if ever there was one) but out of the batch of Recent labour leaders he was one of the closest to ORIGINAL labour core values while I definitely would have preferred Miliband and am convinced the election was stolen from him.

So because of MEDIA brainwashing of the public, Right wing groups painting the guy as utterly bollox and a poor choice of front benchers - he really should have chosen more erudite and presentable front benchers even if they did have at last most of them there heart in the right place and of course the LIES tarring him as an anti semitic which were also utterly betty swollox.

The one whom let us down no if's and no but's however was McDonell because he not Corbyn should have been in charge.

Still between Milliband and McDonell I believe Milliband was a great leader and would have been a great prime minister.

Instead we got Clown world BOJO and the other idiot's over the last 12 years mostly hooray harry's that think the poor are there to be spat on.

a reply to: LABTECH767

You mistake me my friend; I have no time for Blair or Brown or New Labour.
Having grown up and experiencing first hand the worst of the Thatcher years and her policies and then Major I viewed Blair's election as a defining moment.
It was.....for all the wrong reasons.

I agree with most of what you said about Corbyn, except he surrounded himself with London based Middle-Class Academic types who espouse Socialism but enjoy their privileged lifestyle to the full. They have no regard or understanding of core traditional Labour values and/or the interests and wishes of the ordinary, everyday British people.
They treat us with just as much contempt and disregard as their Tory counterparts.

Momentum is an abomination.

I've often said it on here and in the 'real world' that Clement Attlee was the UK's greatest peacetime Prime Minister bar none.

John Smith had the vision and personality to be a truly great leader.
Sadly, we'll never know.

a reply to: Freeborn

Absolutely agree, even some of the Tory's have pulled labour up on being a party run by upper middle class Londoners in the past which is a far cry from it's root's as a working class party that began in Scotland, the problem is the NEC, it is out of touch with most labour voters and keeps voting in people within the labour party whom are not what the people want and not even what most members of the labour party want.

To be fair though Corbyn did try to fix that and he did believe in democracy especially within the Labour party.

Thinking back to the 80's, it was terrible when some idiots dropped a concrete block onto a tax driver killing him but how many miners that were actually peacefully protesting until the police attacked them (Or were they police with soldiers apparently being put into police uniform and metropolitan police officers being bussed up to Yorkshire to beat the miners up) have had life long injury's, brain damage and even died as a result of the beating they had during those strikes that the police attacked despite them actually mostly being lawful.

The problem is that in our country there is no justice.

If Blair had actually been labour rather than whatever he actually was he would have launched an investigation into those crimes but he never did so the culprits in Thatcher's government got away with it.

Of course we know she was corrupt, her best friend being Pinochet and an INTERN for the party apparently being sent by her to conduct some dirty dealings that broke both international law and also weakened global security and posed a long term threat to our own country when that INTERN by the name of David Cameron went to Saudi Arabia and arranged a deal, the Tory's got Millions as a DONATION to there party from the Saudi Royal family and the Saudi's got some Nuclear weapons that were supposed to be on there way back to Britain from south Africa to be disposed of.

As for Smith sadly we will never know, he was a definite threat to the Tory's though so you do have to wonder at his death.