CONFIRMED: As Gateway Pundit Reported — FBI Doctored Mar-a-Lago Photo

a reply to: JinMI

Does the document you shared that provides this photos context give any mention of removal, application of or photoshopping/redaction of pertinent information? When this doc went public, even if there is that specific context, it was not relayed along with the photo to the public.

As I said, it's not transparency, its a narrative.

See, e.g., Attachment F (redacted FBI photograph of certain documents and classified
cover sheets recovered from a container in the “45 office”).

Yes. It was even included in the excerpt I provided previously.

It must, by all applicable logic, have a potential of the "smoking gun." That actionable piece of evidence that's needed for the warrant to be valid.

Surely, at the very least you can see how pulling out unknown documents, with unknown origin cover sheets in a picture could be left to perspective, bias and distrust.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. The warrant gave FBI agents to remove any classified document from site. The warrant was issued based on actionable intelligence provided by a confidential informant. However, until the search warrant was executed the FBI had no physical evidence. This photo shows the physical evidence that was collected.

Again, if these docs are so sensitive, they were ok strewing them about at the scene? Was it a controlled environment, like say a SCIF? Or wasn't it?
Again, even you can see the grey area here, I'm sure.

It was a scene controlled by agents with prior clearance.

The fact that you're worried that agents had the documents on the floor to document them but not the fact that Trump was storing them in a box in his office with issues of Time is kind of baffling.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Yes. It was even included in the excerpt I provided previously.

Hmm, this quote:

See, e.g., Attachment F (redacted FBI photograph of certain documents and classified
cover sheets recovered from a container in the “45 office”).

2A "Various classified/ts/sci documents" doesn't include pictures. Why were those not also shown and labeled as such? This photo doesn't prove or disprove anything that the provided legal documents do not. They are for show purely.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. The warrant gave FBI agents to remove any classified document from site. The warrant was issued based on actionable intelligence provided by a confidential informant. However, until the search warrant was executed the FBI had no physical evidence. This photo shows the physical evidence that was collected.

So the FBI didn't have classified docs from NARA before the raid????

This photo shows prima fascia evidence at best, which I've said before. Which doesn't require a picture, especially a staged one.

It was a scene controlled by agents with prior clearance.

The fact that you're worried that agents had the documents on the floor to document them but not the fact that Trump was storing them in a box in his office with issues of Time is kind of baffling.

It's only baffling because you've already assumed guilt and have given the state every benefit.

a reply to: matafuchs

They executed a search warrant based on actionable intelligence from a confidential informant. Considering they turned up twice the number of classified documents as when they showed up with a subpoena, I'd say their intelligence was correct.

If the FBI showed up at your or my house and they found hundreds of pages of classified information haphazardly stored, we would be in jail right now. The only reason Trump is not is because he is a former President.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

If the FBI showed up at your or my house and they found hundreds of pages of classified information haphazardly stored, we would be in jail right now. The only reason Trump is not is because he is a former President.

If that's the angle, which I'm inclined to agree with provided evidence, then we can also say that the only reason he's being investigated is because of political bias.

a reply to: JinMI

He's being investigated because there were classified documents mixed in with unclassified documents in the Fifteen Boxes retrieved by NARA in January.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JinMI

He's being investigated because there were classified documents mixed in with unclassified documents in the Fifteen Boxes retrieved by NARA in January.

Which have yet to be determined if they were indeed classified to him or illegal for him to possess.

Which is a whole other can o worms.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JinMI

He's being investigated because there were classified documents mixed in with unclassified documents in the Fifteen Boxes retrieved by NARA in January.

Says who exactly?

fbi & democrats?

They have zero credibility on ANY Trump issue, which is why Trump wants a special master to look into it.

For all we know they're being as dishonest now as they were when screaming about the russian pee tapes for 3 years.

Or as dishonest as they were to the fisa court.

Or as dishonest as they were during the Ukraine impeachment.

Or as dishonest as they were in j6 show trial.

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fbi & democrats have ZERO Credibility.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
I don't see Gateway actually providing any proof for their claims except for the "Photoshopping." And by Photoshopping what they actually mean is redacting sensitive information.

As for the inventory discrepancy, does Gateway know what the TS in TS/SCI stands for?

Let's be honest, GP is on the same level as the National Inquirer. Just the other day they reported that ASAC Thibault was responsible for the investigation and the raid. Completely ignoring the fact that the investigation was initiated due to a report from NARA and Thibault wasn't part of the division that was handling the investigation. Not to mention that GP's own source, that was linked in the article reported the complete opposite.

Face it, GP's claims on this don't even make sense. If Trump gets indicted the defense and the judge will have a chance to review the evidence. If these documents and folders don't actually exist it would become immediately apparent during discovery.

It's also worth remembering that since the DOJ included this photo in their filing, Trump's team have filed their own filing and appeared in court. In neither of those cases did they contend the items contained in the photo were not found at MAL. Why would they do that when they're trying desperately to get a special master assigned and this photo hurts their case.

Another swing and a miss for Gateway Pundit.

Do you Really Enjoy Living the Lie ? I Cannot Believe an Articulate Person like yourself here on ATS Constantly Tries to Defend the Indefensible . Just Admit it , Your Not that Smart After all ............ /... Libs are like , Rope a Dupe , throw them for a Loop.............

Still looking for any other corroborating source since no one on ATS should accept TGP as a single source.

Staging a photo with distinctive carpet…pretty sure the FBI is savvy enough to green screen. Since the “white sheets” were photoshopped…any odds the whole pic was shopped?

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

How about Archivist Ferriero? When it was revealed that classified documents were found in the Fifteen Boxes, Congress sent him a letter requesting additional information. In his response he confirmed that he had reported the discovery to the DOJ.

7. Has the Archivist notified the Attorney General that former President Trump removed
presidential records from the White House? If not, why not?
Answer: Because NARA identified classified information in the boxes, NARA staff
has been in communication with the Department of Justice.

Source

a reply to: Xcalibur254

actionable intelligence from a confidential informant

Whats their name?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

How about Archivist Ferriero? When it was revealed that classified documents were found in the Fifteen Boxes, Congress sent him a letter requesting additional information. In his response he confirmed that he had reported the discovery to the DOJ.

7. Has the Archivist notified the Attorney General that former President Trump removed
presidential records from the White House? If not, why not?
Answer: Because NARA identified classified information in the boxes, NARA staff
has been in communication with the Department of Justice.

Source

I have no idea on either case, but I do know better than to believe any democrat or fbi employee on anything Trump related, hence the request for a special master.




Fool me once shame on you, fool me 46 times and I'm f%&# idiot.

See 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf" if you're still having trouble with the concept.

a reply to: Ahabstar

Again, the President, nor his legal team have claimed its photoshopped. Again, the entire Trump family watched the search on CCTV. His lawyers and a family member confirmed this. The lawyers are not claiming the documents found were declassified. As a matter of fact they stated the Special Master would need to have TS/SCI clearance, they also noted in their filing that Trump's new lawyer should still have his high level security clearance from his time working for the DOJ.

Every day is a new excuse and theory. It's quite fun to see the spin.

a reply to: JinMI

They were definitely illegal for him to possess. As of 12 PM on January 20th, 2021 any Presidential and government records in Trump's possession became property of the US government and were supposed to be handed over to the care of NARA.

As for the classification status, NARA found documents with classified document cover sheets. Trump has yet to provide anything to support the claim they were declassified and both the DOJ and Trump's own lawyers are proceeding as if the documents are classified.

a reply to: matafuchs

It's a confidential informant. Just like in every other case where a CI is used, that information is not released to the public.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: matafuchs

They executed a search warrant based on actionable intelligence from a confidential informant. Considering they turned up twice the number of classified documents as when they showed up with a subpoena, I'd say their intelligence was correct.

If the FBI showed up at your or my house and they found hundreds of pages of classified information haphazardly stored, we would be in jail right now. The only reason Trump is not is because he is a former President.

^^^ where have I heard this before; seems like I recall something like:

"If the FBI showed up at your or my house and found you were using an unauthorized email server to hapharzadly store and transmit classified information, sensitive government material, communicate with dignitaries/officials outside official channels, circumvent FOIA requests, etc....we would be in jail right now"

It's amazing how for a few years, completely botching handling of sensitive government material, and actually concealing the means of disseminating it from government scrutiny, this was simply labeled "poor judgement" and swept under the carpet. Now, it's considered tReAsOn!

a reply to: frogs453


Then you shouldn't have a problem with Trump's special master request, which would include both this issue and what Trump himself has alleged.

Why are democrats and fbi so panicked about a special master being appointed if they are actually being honest this time, for the first time?

a reply to: frogs453

I'm seeing reports today that Trump is claiming the documents were bound for his library. But if that was the case they would have been handed over to NARA in January 2021 instead of taking a year, then a subpoena, and then a search warrant before all of the documents were maybe collected.

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