Nord Stream has been suspended indefinitely

originally posted by: Kenzo

10 years and we might have nuclear microreactors loaded in trucks in a city near you


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Bye bye Putin...we dont need you anymore

Id say in 10 years we'll have the first sustainable fusion reactors... the gap between periodic developments with that technology has gotten astonishingly small recently in the last 1 and half decades, if that trend continues then we'll have the first ones poping up sometime near the end of this decade.

I find it funny the pro putlers are acting as if Europes gonna be freezing its arse off, they seem to have either ignored or never bothered to read all the stuff the rest of Europe was going to do around the the time they threw sanctions at the ruZZian energy sector. They've got alternatives they've been working towards and stockpiles.

Also, unlike ruZZia (where the cultural mindset is to basically dog eat dog one another) Europe and the West tends to have the mentality of everyone sacrifices a little for the greater good (granted America is only borderline that, and is fairly often dog eat dog itself, although that social ideal seems to be a predominantly right-wing mindset and America doesnt have an issue with energy from ruZZia, but i could see right-wingers in Europe using even the slightest grumble as fuel to gain themselves support and votes).

Hopefully the ideology of supporting a nation under unwarranted aggression by its neighbor will temper any selfish short term frustration with being colder than usual. I have some faith left in humanity.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
I hope they completely cut off all supplies to europe, before winter.

Pay back.

Pay back for what?

For standing up to their great leader, king among kings, lord of the horde, manliest of manlings, greatest ruZZian to ever have been born, the reincarnation of ztalin himself... and calling him and his peoples out on their BS. Thats ruZZia for you, the physical embodiment of childishness.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
We musn´t forget that there are some turbines around but not delivered back to Russia because of the sanctions. Five turbines are still held in Canada, where they are maintained. And one still in Germany, for no explainable reason except the one that "our" sanctions forbid "us" to deliver the turbine to Russia.

Russia has currently 6 (six) working turbines, but use only 1 of them. 1 turbine still sits in Germany, because Russia says the papers are not right on it to IMport it to Russia.

Why i always write "we" and "us" and so on, in qotes? Because i am german and, like the majority of us average germans, i am absolutely not ok with what that "government" does.

You speak for yourself, the same way that I speak for myself. The last polls (this week) shows that the sanctions are supported by more than 50% of the Germans. It used to be like 60-65%, though.

Somehow the german so called "green" party, by the WEF infiltrated(Baerbock), consisting of war-hawks and transatlantic controlled, is very happy with what happens right now in Germany. All of their "green" dreams come true. Gasoline as expensive as possible, no nuclear power, meat more and more expensive till nobody except the upper 10% can afford meat anymore as a few examples. They are happy with the current situation and don´t want to change anything. Btw, 86% of the german voters didn´t vote for the green khmer.

They love it how they can hide Green New Deal and their nato-green dreams, their dreams to fullfill the Morgenthau plan after all that time, behind that Ukraine show. A dream of de-industrializing Germany to a peasants and the workers' state again like the GDR was called, better peasants and the slaves state. I remember how the energy prices started to climb and climb in 2019, there was no corona and also no Ukraine show at that time. But a forced "green" energy transformation.

If "we" would deliver the turbines then Putin would sell to us what we need and how it is contractually regulated, the contracts still run a few years from now.

If "we" would deliver the turbines (which are already in Russia for a long time...), then we would get nothing. And if we open up Northstream2, then we will have 2 pipelines delivering nothing from Russia to Germany.

Not to the amusement of "our best friend" and "partner" from the overseas, of course.

Take a walk to the Altersheim and find people who faced the Russians, the British and the Americans in real live back then. They will tell you, who was a "friendly" enemy and who wasn't.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Grimpachi

Its amusing how some Pro Ukrainian ones on here always blame Putin by saying that Putin is playing his games with energy yet. They ignore it was the EU that first issued the sanctions agaisnt Russia over the Russian response in Ukraine.

It was not a response, but he waged war, simply as that. The alternative would have been appeasement - how did that work out for those who tried it at the beginning of WWII towards Germany? :-)

(-) double post

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
EU politicians bending the knee to the pressure by US/UK officials just further proven that the EU has no independence nor sovereignty.

This is not entirely correct. Me, for example, I don't care what the US, China or Russia says or wants, but I still support the sanctions, in fact, I wished they had started even earlier and harder. I know many people who think like me and I know many people who do not and even more in between those poles. May be all those groups will meet in winter on the streets for warm-up exercises, may be they won't and keep quiet at home. We will see. :-)

Germany was the only nation from the whole Russian gas and oil trade that was benefiting. Its why the German economy was doing well for the past couple of years before the Ukrainian regime change in 2013/2016 war.

It was a combination of cheap energy and cheap labor, to be exact. And the advantage of Germany has been the disadvantage of other "friendly" countries, I am sure they won't forget it...

(There's a better version, but it's age-restricted and won't embed... access it here.)

Here's a few facts that TPTB don't want anyone to hear:

• Russia is not running out of money.
  
• Europe is going to run out of energy.
  
• China has all the money and technology Russia will ever need.
  
• Russia has all the energy China will ever need.
  
• Neither Russia nor China needs ships; their land border is over 4000 km long.
  
• The alliance of Russian energy for Chinese technology and money is already being cemented as we speak.
  
• The West no longer controls the planet.
  
• Europe has made themselves irrelevant by shutting down Nord Stream 2 and now Nord Stream 1.
  
• The WEF is irrelevant; they are driven by the West.
  
• The USA can't save anyone this time; we already sold our soul to China.
  
• The USA may not even survive what's coming. If we do, we will never be the same.
  
• Putin is not going to continue to lead Russia; you're hating on a dead man.
  
• War is upon us; WWIII has already started.
  
• Europe will eventually win WWIII, but will be destroyed in the process.

I'm thinking this winter... probably in January or February. It'll take that long for serious rationing to kick in and people to start freezing to death. But the coming winter is going to be one of the worst on record for Europe, and those pitiful attempts at reserves will not stand. That severe winter may hit the USA as well, meaning that supplies to the EU will be diverted to our own people... so maybe late December in that case.

Look for a revolt in Romania. And stay out of Minnesota.

While you're at it, pray I'm wrong. I do.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Europe will eventually win WWIII

Depends on which Europe. Western Europe with so many social issues currently?

a reply to: TheRedneck

But Red.

I've been assured that Russia is losing and going to collapse any day now.

All it will take is just a lil more western money.

Why would the media and ATS lie to me so?

a reply to: vNex92

Depends on which Europe.

A coalition of Western states, acting as one, with military technology, and led by Greece. The USA will not be with them.

But don't fret it too much; by then, I doubt you'll be too worried about which states do what.

TheRedneck

a reply to: JinMI

I've been assured that Russia is losing and going to collapse any day now.

Russia never intended to "win" Ukraine. Russia responded to Ukrainian corruption concerning their self-interests when all attempts to bypass Ukraine failed.

All it will take is just a lil more western money.

Looked at prices lately? Western money is almost worthless now.

The Ruble has been steadily gaining against the US Dollar since March.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Russia never intended to "win" Ukraine. Russia responded to Ukrainian corruption concerning their self-interests when all attempts to bypass Ukraine failed.

But I was told that Russia taking Kiev is the deciding event, and they couldn't do it! Again, I was told.

Looked at prices lately? Western money is almost worthless now.

The Ruble has been steadily gaining against the US Dollar since March.

TheRedneck

I don't worry about such silly things as money and purchasing power. I trust the media and the gov't are doing the right things and don't have the capacity to lie.

They ensured me the Ruble was also tanking.

a reply to: JinMI

I don't worry about such silly things as money and purchasing power. I trust the media and the gov't are doing the right things and don't have the capacity to lie.

They ensured me the Ruble was also tanking.

JinMi, I swear you have one of the best sarcastic wits on ATS!

I wish I could banter on your level, but I am having an extraordinarily bad night tonight, and the ol' brain just ain't running at full speed. I think my digoxin level went a little too high and turned toxic.

You're making me laugh, though... thanks!

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I wish I could banter on your level, but I am having an extraordinarily bad night tonight, and the ol' brain just ain't running at full speed. I think my digoxin level went a little too high and turned toxic.

You're making me laugh, though... thanks!

You get to be wise and intelligent, I get the sardonic humor.

Feel better Red.

a reply to: JinMI

You get to be wise and intelligent

Exactly when is this supposed to kick in?

I'll be OK, just gotta hang tough. That, I am good at.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Exactly when is this supposed to kick in?

When you're too old to use it of course.

originally posted by: gortex
I doubt it will be suspended indefinitely , Putin plays his games.

Putin is playing a losing hand in the long term. Japan is returning their focus to nuclear power, not an unexpected move, but Russia's war in Ukraine accelerated the timetable. How Germany and Australia tackle energy shortages are fascinating to consider.

Also, stubborn and perhaps outdated opposition to nuclear power in Australia is worth bearing in mind. Australia exports uranium and enjoys a lower risk of earthquakes compared to Japan.

Moreover, Germany's likely return to nuclear power will occur over a more extended time. However, the combination of Germany's electoral system (MMP) that might give leverage to the anti-nuclear/pro-Putin crowd and vested commercial/political interests are stumbling blocks.

The German opponents of nuclear power left a legacy of increasing their country's energy dependency on Russia. Germany plugging into Russian energy is one of the massive geopolitical/economic blunders of the first quarter of the 20 century. The morally bankrupt legacy of Germany's political leaders and the media outlets that praised them is on full display.

They were patting themselves on the back saying that they had filled up 80% of their reserves already. I seriously doubt they thought they would need to start using those reserves this soon though.

I haven't really looked into their price caps. Were those caps only applying to Russian gas or did they apply to all gas imports? Did they protect the consumer or just the govt?

I read earlier that 6/10 British factories face closure due to rising energy bills. I don't think this news improves those numbers.

a reply to: Grimpachi

If western countries reduce their dependence on Russian energy, there are broader implications to consider. The overall energy stage consisting of Russia and OPEC faces extinction. Trends toward regional energy production accelerate, and Saudi Arabia faces economic and political collapse. The other Petrostates endure the same experiences decades ahead of the previous timeline.

Consider the impact of the Saudi regime on the Middle East and global security. It may exceed the fallout from ISIS and the Syrian Civil War.

a reply to: xpert11

Putin is playing a losing hand in the long term. Japan is returning their focus to nuclear power, not an unexpected move, but Russia's war in Ukraine accelerated the timetable. How Germany and Australia tackle energy shortages are fascinating to consider.

Now, don't get me wrong: I am a big proponent of (properly designed and operated) nuclear power plants. It's the best energy source we have available that is low-cost and geographically non-specific. But it doesn't spring into being overnight either; nuclear power requires planning.

It typically takes between 5 and 7 years, depending on government regulations, to take a nuclear power plant from an empty site to pumping out electrons. That assumes no unexpected delays. As someone whose first "real" job was working in a nuclear plant under construction, let me tell you there are always delays... like the time someone installing a pipe support on the primary containment wall in the reactor building discovered several tons of sand instead of concrete inside the wall.

Concrete restricts radiation; sand, not so much. The NRC came in over that and the whole plant closed down while they investigated, then was further delayed as the wall was removed and re-poured with NRC inspectors checking every detail as it happened. Turns out a disgruntled worker was upset at being written up a few years earlier and apparently decided to "get back" at his foreman by filling the interior of the wall with plain sand.

Or the time someone "forgot" to tag out a valve in the main steam line and just replaced it with a schedule 10 spool to hold the pipes in place... a couple days before the line was to be pressure tested. There were two men in that room when it exploded. Both survived, thankfully, but one was never back to work; I know he was rushed to the hospital with inner ear damage, but I don't know if he ever regained his hearing. The other guy said he looked around just before it blew and that steel spool piece was swelling up like a big water balloon. NRC shut the plant down for two weeks if memory serves while they did their inspection and figured out how much they wanted in fines.

So 5-7 years is a bare minimum.

Compare that with what we are seeing today. The Nord Stream 2 pipeline was put on indefinite hold back in February; the invasion of Ukraine started just after that on February 24. The sanctions went into effect just after the invasion. So about 6 months ago, the energy situation was all hunky-dory in Europe.

It is not possible to counteract situations that develop in six months with solutions that take more than 5 years.

There are an awful lot of sources out there who are desperately clutching at straws to explain some way that the Russian sanctions will not devastate Europe. They're all dreaming. It's coming, and there is nothing at this point that can be done about it. If someone was going to fix this problem, the time to get fixing was 2017 or earlier.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

If Australia adapts [civilian] nuclear power, I would expect the first of those power plants to begin operation in 2035 - 40. The need to build up the related engineering and scientific skills bases account for that timeline. Curiously, the RAN will acquire nuclear-powered submarines on the current track, but Australia ignores nuclear power ashore. A bizarre situation that you couldn't make up.

Excluding Western Australia, the immediate issue is how to tackle energy shortages in short to medium term in the rest of that country. The same applies to the UK and Western Powers. But Germany and Japan, with their pre-existing nuclear power-related infrastructure, are better placed to handle the crises.

So much depends on how much emphasis or confidence one places in Western governments to disconnect from Russian energy compared to having the means to accomplish that goal. Looking beyond the next 5 - 10 years, I regard opposition to nuclear power, pro-Putin/Russian oil commercial interests and poor levels of governance and not technological limitations as the most significant barriers.