Evolution? The most GDed ridiculous Fing thing ever to have been imagined

a reply to: cooperton

No dynamic, fluid, interconnected and organic

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Not completely understood does not mean that God did it.

Not completely understood does not mean that evolution did it.

originally posted by: Peeple
But in reality there is no true randomness.

So it's intelligent and guided?

Only evolution explains the process.

God did it doesn't.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

What made your inteligent force?

There was never nothing, otherwise there could never be something, since something cannot come from nothing. This Something therefore never did not exist. Since Something always existed, there was no need for this Something be made. From this eternally existent One comes all things.

Tl;dr God always existed and therefore never needed to be created.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Only evolution explains the process.

'evolution did it' is just as much of a cop-out as 'God did it'. Evolution can't be observed so it's faith-based.

It makes more sense that intelligent creatures came from an intelligent source, rather than random chance mutations.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: cooperton

No dynamic, fluid, interconnected and organic

huh?

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777
There's more evidence to prove evolution than there ever has been

This seems to be the most popular defense of evolution. "look at all the evidence", without being able to actually pin-point the particulars. That's how propagandists like it, they want you to believe blindly, and to blindly believe there is so much evidence for it. I don't blame you, we've had evolution hammered into our heads from a very young age. But name a part that you think is substantial evidence for evolution and I can show you why it's nonsense. I've studied it most of my professional career and every single aspect of the "evidence" is a house of cards.

Want me to prove to you evolution exists? You were but a spec in your fathers nutsack at one point. Yet, you are now typing on an electronic device arguing that God created everything.

There is no possible mechanisms that could have evolved an organism from asexual to sexual reproduction. You would need random chance mutations to be able to simultaneously create a male and a female sex cell that would be compatible with each other. The odds of a beneficial mutation are:

1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
source

And this is just the odds of making one successful alteration to a protein sub-unit. in order for an organism to emerge from asexual to sexual reproduction would require these odds to hit countless times to create both the male and female sex cells and the necessary components that allow it to persist. There is no possibility for intermediate forms, because if the asexual organism grew male sex cells first, it would die off immediately because there are no female sex cells to receive it. And again, even the most basic parts of generating cells that create sperm is astronomically unfathomable for random chance to create, let alone the necessity of simultaneously creating a complementary female sex cell.

Therefore, Biological life requires a Logical Creator.

Pin point the particulars? There's scientists who devote their live to studies of this. Should maybe talk to one. I question your credentials of studying extremely.

Biological life does not need a biological creator. Unless you're into wizards and witches and all that. Then by all means, hope for it to be true. Not in this world, however.

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

Pin point the particulars? There's scientists who devote their live to studies of this. Should maybe talk to one. I question your credentials of studying extremely.

I've read studies throughout various specialties and no one can come to a consensus because the known complexity of biological mechanisms grows with each passing year. I have a double degree in the sciences and it was neural circuits that inevitably made me realize the absurdity of evolutionary theory. Intelligent People can barely do basic electrical work on their own house yet they expect random chance to be capable of creating a network of neurons in the human brain that is over 800,000 miles long. The magic wand of evolution somehow did it though, right?

Biological life does not need a biological creator.

From all the experiments we have tried so far, even intelligent scientists are incapable of creating a replicable realistic setting where life could have come to be from non-life. You'll notice you can find any data on this stuff actually happening because it doesn't exist

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: ScepticScot

What made your inteligent force?

There was never nothing, otherwise there could never be something, since something cannot come from nothing. This Something therefore never did not exist. Since Something always existed, there was no need for this Something be made. From this eternally existent One comes all things.

Tl;dr God always existed and therefore never needed to be created.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Only evolution explains the process.

'evolution did it' is just as much of a cop-out as 'God did it'. Evolution can't be observed so it's faith-based.

It makes more sense that intelligent creatures came from an intelligent source, rather than random chance mutations.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: cooperton

No dynamic, fluid, interconnected and organic

huh?

So you believe small evolutionary steps are impossible but God can just exist because ...

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: ScepticScot

What made your inteligent force?

There was never nothing, otherwise there could never be something, since something cannot come from nothing. This Something therefore never did not exist. Since Something always existed, there was no need for this Something be made. From this eternally existent One comes all things.

Tl;dr God always existed and therefore never needed to be created.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Only evolution explains the process.

'evolution did it' is just as much of a cop-out as 'God did it'. Evolution can't be observed so it's faith-based.

It makes more sense that intelligent creatures came from an intelligent source, rather than random chance mutations.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: cooperton

No dynamic, fluid, interconnected and organic

huh?

So you believe small evolutionary steps are impossible but God can just exist because ...

Some peoples faith and beliefs are just too overpowering. We got to just let them be in their ways I suppose. No point in arguing. I've given up on that just now.

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

Some peoples faith and beliefs are just too overpowering.

Oh the irony of this statement. Have you ever witnessed a population of organisms evolving into something new? No, nor has anyone else. You all take it on faith and pretend its science.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

So you believe small evolutionary steps are impossible but God can just exist because ...

Given the biological complexity from the micro to the macro scale, there is no possible mechanism for random chance to create these structures. ATP synthase is like a micro-motor that is hooked up to a hydrogen fuel cell generator (mitochondria). It's astronomically more likely to have come to be by intelligence rather than random chance. If you saw a car motor in the woods you wouldn't appease the idea that it came to be by random chance, yet when a motor is seen on the microscopic scale you assume it's random chance?

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: ScepticScot

What made your inteligent force?

There was never nothing, otherwise there could never be something, since something cannot come from nothing. This Something therefore never did not exist. Since Something always existed, there was no need for this Something be made. From this eternally existent One comes all things.

Tl;dr God always existed and therefore never needed to be created.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Only evolution explains the process.

'evolution did it' is just as much of a cop-out as 'God did it'. Evolution can't be observed so it's faith-based.

It makes more sense that intelligent creatures came from an intelligent source, rather than random chance mutations.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: cooperton

No dynamic, fluid, interconnected and organic

huh?

So you believe small evolutionary steps are impossible but God can just exist because ...

Some peoples faith and beliefs are just too overpowering. We got to just let them be in their ways I suppose. No point in arguing. I've given up on that just now.

There is nothing wrong with believing in God as a creator, people are entitied to their own beliefs.

However arguing its the equivalent of evolution or based on anything other personal bias is either disingenuous or delusional.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

Some peoples faith and beliefs are just too overpowering.

Oh the irony of this statement. Have you ever witnessed a population of organisms evolving into something new? No, nor has anyone else. You all take it on faith and pretend its science.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

So you believe small evolutionary steps are impossible but God can just exist because ...

Given the biological complexity from the micro to the macro scale, there is no possible mechanism for random chance to create these structures. ATP synthase is like a micro-motor that is hooked up to a hydrogen fuel cell generator (mitochondria). It's astronomically more likely to have come to be by intelligence rather than random chance. If you saw a car motor in the woods you wouldn't appease the idea that it came to be by random chance, yet when a motor is seen on the microscopic scale you assume it's random chance?

I havent seen nuclear fisson but I know it exists.

The rest of your post is just baseless personal believe and blatant misunderstanding of what evolution is.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

However arguing its the equivalent of evolution or based on anything other personal bias is either disingenuous or delusional.

You're saying that due to your bias for evolution. Without reproducible experiment it can't even be called a theory. It's pure faith.

I believe in intelligent origins, rather than unintelligent origins.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: ScepticScot

However arguing its the equivalent of evolution or based on anything other personal bias is either disingenuous or delusional.

You're saying that due to your bias for evolution. Without reproducible experiment it can't even be called a theory. It's pure faith.

I believe in intelligent origins, rather than unintelligent origins.

No not saying that at all. Again your misunderstanding.

Yet you think your intelligent creator doesn't require any origin. You just handwaved them into existence.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Yet you think your intelligent creator doesn't require any origin. You just handwaved them into existence.

It's the most obvious conclusion given the logical laws that persist in nature, and the logical constructs of biological beings. The solar system has been perpetuating at clockwork for the past known history, all according to mathematic precision. If that doesn't indicate design then I dunno what would. It certainly doesn't imply random chance.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Yet you think your intelligent creator doesn't require any origin. You just handwaved them into existence.

It's the most obvious conclusion given the logical laws that persist in nature, and the logical constructs of biological beings. The solar system has been perpetuating at clockwork for the past known history, all according to mathematic precision. If that doesn't indicate design then I dunno what would. It certainly doesn't imply random chance.

So the universe can't exist without a creator but your creator can?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
So the universe can't exist without a creator but your creator can?

There had to have been something that did not need to be created, otherwise nothing would exist.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: ScepticScot
So the universe can't exist without a creator but your creator can?

There had to have been something that did not need to be created, otherwise nothing would exist.

100% agree.

Going from that to intelligent creator however is skipping a few thousands steps.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

100% agree.

Going from that to intelligent creator however is skipping a few thousands steps.

Consider that the always-existent something was an atemporal super-Being (God) not limited by time or space. Then in that case it solves everything because that Alpha-Omega, always-existent, unbegotten super-Being would be the source of all things.

originally posted by: [post=26653581]Randyvine2

The Bible is the absolute correct truth.

See that is where the problem lies - I travel a lot and everyone is equally convinced of their 'belief'.

What does one do with that?

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

Some peoples faith and beliefs are just too overpowering.

Oh the irony of this statement. Have you ever witnessed a population of organisms evolving into something new? No, nor has anyone else. You all take it on faith and pretend its science.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

So you believe small evolutionary steps are impossible but God can just exist because ...

Given the biological complexity from the micro to the macro scale, there is no possible mechanism for random chance to create these structures. ATP synthase is like a micro-motor that is hooked up to a hydrogen fuel cell generator (mitochondria). It's astronomically more likely to have come to be by intelligence rather than random chance. If you saw a car motor in the woods you wouldn't appease the idea that it came to be by random chance, yet when a motor is seen on the microscopic scale you assume it's random chance?

Have you ever heard of the "Texas Sharp Shooter" fallacy?

A guy spends all day randomly shooting bullets at the broad side of a barn. Goes up to the part of the wall that has the closest grouping of bullets, draws a circle around it, and declares that that was his target.


Human life is highly adapted to its environment, but on what basis was the environment "chosen"? Were the bullets fired first, and then a circle drawn around them? Or was the circle drawn first, and then the bullets fired?


When talking about "complexity", what do you think gives us the greatest "complexity"? Random chaos, or orderly intent? When your kid lets their room get messy, are they "organizing it on a more complicated way"? Or just letting it get messy?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Because primordial ooze does not turn into a human therefore trillions of simultaneous mutations aren't required.

That is kind of the whole point of evolution in that it describes the mechanism by which different forms of life appear without one spontaneously turning into another completely different one.

Ah, so you agree that the theory of all life on earth evolving from the primordial ooze is impossible...