Yesterday Russia signed a deal on Uktaine Grain exports - Today they bombed Odesa sea trade port

originally posted by: Grimpachi

It is funny that you really thought UA could get away with using the grain as a shield. It is their MO to use things like that as shields. Usually, they use their citizens.

Is this how you justify starving a billion people? Its UA fault!!! What would they be hiding in the grain that would be shipped to other countries, mainly Africa?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Russian analysts?

Nope, western analysts.

Do you not think they can take back their land?

There is zero chance without hundreds of billions more in aid.

How many Russian lives is Putin willing to sacrificed to keep it.

It has been made abundantly clear over the decades that the Russian people in every demographic overwhelmingly viewed Ukraine's inclusion into NATO as an existential threat.

I don't know how many they have lost and I don't trust the numbers Ru gives and there is no way the retreating force of Ukraine could count the number accurately. What I am sure of is there is nothing that will stop Ru until they believe that they have achieved their security.

So when do you think Russia wins, give of a month or so.

Any guesses at a timetable are useless. It will be after they secure Donbass. In a lot of ways, they are still holding back. They could have knocked out critical bridges needed to supply western weapons to Ukraine at any time but for reasons I don't understand they haven't done so.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: turretless

Is there any other proof?

In your mind Russia is good, everyone else is bad, so you need zero proof of anything Russia says while basically saying all posted against Russia is false.

There is no debate with you here as you are 100% one sided in all of this as Russia can do no wrong in your eyes.

well at least the sock puppets are gone*cough* cough* right?
Its a shame that soem people are so unwilling to even think they could be wrong. We could be wrong,but from judging by actions alone it is clear who is to blame for the entire issue. great points btw xtro.

Its simple to say the Russians did it. But, when you logically look at it by doing this Russia has zero to gain from it and Ukraine has everything to gain from doing it themselves and blaming it on Russia.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Is this how you justify starving a billion people? Its UA fault!!! What would they be hiding in the grain that would be shipped to other countries, mainly Africa?

At what point have I ever tried to justify starving people.

I am burning down that BS strawman you are trying to build right now.

Try not to be so damn dishonest. It seems like you may struggle with it.

a reply to: yuppa

Listen the agreement says PARTS OF THE PORT ARE OFF LIMITS. It does not say the entire port. the Ukes were in a non protected part with a non civilian ship. By how in(accurate) those missiles are they might need to pick better targets.
A tugboat...WOW super ultra dangerous weapon there!

This is what was hit an armored amphibious assault boat "Malin" (Centaur class) and a tug boat caught fire.



If the tug was hit it would be in worse shape than the sunk Malin.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

I don't know how many they have lost and I don't trust the numbers Ru gives and there is no way the retreating force of Ukraine could count the number accurately. What I am sure of is there is nothing that will stop Ru until they believe that they have achieved their security.

There are tell tell signs it is enough to affect their ability to put boots on the ground as they dig in deeper with concepts, prisoners, inexperienced foreign fighters, increased age limits etc. It doesn't look rosy for them. If you think that is all faulse then time will tell, right?

Any guesses at a timetable are useless. It will be after they secure Donbass. In a lot of ways, they are still holding back. They could have knocked out critical bridges needed to supply western weapons to Ukraine at any time but for reasons I don't understand they haven't done so.

Yep, holding back...yep that is the ticket... There is zero reason to hold back as all these towns are 90% destroyed, what are they holding back for? They are hitting your sacred Donbas region with up to 60,000 artillery shells per day, so what are they holding back? lol makes zero sense either way other than to explain why they have failed so far.

originally posted by: yuppa

well at least the sock puppets are gone*cough* cough* right?
Its a shame that soem people are so unwilling to even think they could be wrong. We could be wrong,but from judging by actions alone it is clear who is to blame for the entire issue. great points btw xtro.

Can't even find a middle ground here in nothing....

The conversations are as follows... Satellite imagery shows that Artillery is hitting the Donbas region upwards of 60,000 per day coming from the Russian side. The answer is something like, how do you know the imagery is not faked? The Russians are just sending their (random ass) artillery down on only army positions, while the Ukrainians are sending theirs on the towns and civilians to make everyone believe its the Russians. The proof is this Russian blogger told me me that...lol

originally posted by: Grimpachi

At what point have I ever tried to justify starving people.

I am burning down that BS strawman you are trying to build right now.

Try not to be so damn dishonest. It seems like you may struggle with it.

Boy that is a rich statement coming from you.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

If the tug was hit it would be in worse shape than the sunk Malin.

Where is the port in the picture...All I see is 2 boats (maybe) and water? They are saying port infrastructure was hit. not ships...

Can you link where you got that picture?


Here is one from today

a reply to: Xtrozero

What I am gathering is that you prefer hyperbole over talking about or offering an explanation as to why they haven't destroyed the the bridges whichwould cut off the supply of western weapons.

As for your reasoning for the claim of heavy losses. I find it extremely lacking and short sighted. For one Mercenaries are recruiting from jails. Two the age restriction is to attract professionals like doctors and engineers which makes far more sense than trying to train new ones or paying them civilian wages. They will do a few years, probably never see combat be given a commission and a pension. A lot of people would be interested in that.

As for the bridges maybe they know how difficult it would be to completely destroy them.



After all, over a million dollars worth of HIMRS rockets hitting the Kherson bridge was fixed in a day with thousands' worth of labor and material.







Oh yeah FYI since the last time you claimed that Russia was running out of precision munitions they have fired over 1500 more Iskander and Kalbr precision missile strikes.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Can you link where you got that picture?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Oh yeah FYI since the last time you claimed that Russia was running out of precision munitions they have fired over 1500 more Iskander and Kalbr precision missile strikes.

HIMRS are not design to takeout infrastructure such as bridges...

As I have said many times, time will tell.

BTW how do Mercs recruit from official Russian jails...lol


The only people holding back is the West, but we will see an increase amount of support as the Ukrainians start to get better and better equipment such as F-16s, A-10s , a ton more drones 300 kk range missiles that can hit deeper into Russia to attack the logistics of the war... I'm involved right now as part of a training event of about 100 Ukrainian pilots outside of their country, and all that is going back in to fight.

a reply to: Grimpachi

HIMARS entire system,5 million per unit.
INdividual rockets-416,666 dollars a piece.
6 rocket mag launch-2.5 million per IF they dump the mag at one time instead of individual mode.

a reply to: Xtrozero

HIMRS are not design to takeout infrastructure such as bridges...

A bunch of idiots with millions worth of HIMRs obviously didn't know that. Have you considered going over there to lend your vast experience and knowledge to them to help win the war?

BTW how do Mercs recruit from official Russian jails...lol

I am sure if you put that mind of yours to work you could come up with an explanation.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Grimpachi

HIMARS entire system,5 million per unit.
INdividual rockets-416,666 dollars a piece.
6 rocket mag launch-2.5 million per IF they dump the mag at one time instead of individual mode.

They hit the bridge three nights in a row. Only 6 or 7 made it through.

Very expensive potholes. Of course, Ru spent quite a bit shooting them down as well.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: turretless

Is there any other proof?

In your mind Russia is good, everyone else is bad, so you need zero proof of anything Russia says while basically saying all posted against Russia is false.

There is no debate with you here as you are 100% one sided in all of this as Russia can do no wrong in your eyes.

If you wanted to write the truth about me, you would write that I am trying to analyze the evidence that is presented on this forum.

But you chose to write that I do not need any proof.

Do you want me to respect you after this?

a reply to: Grimpachi

If you were not in a constant fear response you would be going after your government for pushing Russia to this point.

I'm proud of my governments response to the unprovoked attack on Ukraine , fascist dictatorships need to be opposed.

originally posted by: turretless
Will we see any evidence here?

Or everything will happen as usual?

Don't ask for legitimate evidence!
Or questions!

Eat your Smith Mundt O's and accept the decline in your quality of life is because of Putin!

...and not the current disaster of an administration.

Question:

What exactly does Putin gain from this attack?

I keep hearing you all talk about these things Russia is doing that make no strategic sense. Either Putin is as big of a moron as the people who said he was working with Trump claim. Or those people are lying like usual and this is all an attempt to make misinformed people think their hardships are from an external source.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Xtrozero
What I am sure of is there is nothing that will stop Ru until they believe that they have achieved their security.

I still don't understand why you view them as superhuman or something. Russia's economy was less than that of Texas when this started, and stretched much thinner. It's only been five months too, we're still in the early stages.