Ukraine officially admits illegal sale of West donated weapons truth or fiction

SO here we are just starting to hear reports of Ukraine selling weapons? Are they credible?

Wasn't this the exact thing many here were semi-concerned about?

Ukraine officially admits illegal sale of West donated weapons

bulgarianmilitary.com...

KYIV ($1=29.50 Ukrainian Hryvnias) — The Economic Security Bureau of Ukraine registered repeated sales of humanitarian aid coming from Western countries, as well as arms. This was announced by the director of the department, Vadim Melnik, on the air of the TV channel “Ukraine 24” on July 5, according to Life online portal.
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“Even military goods are sold for cash. We have such facts,” Melnik said. According to him, the bureau is investigating cases related to the sale of humanitarian aid received from foreign partners.

As far as the sale of military products and weapons is concerned, the department has already registered around ten such criminal cases. Melnyk stressed that this is an incomplete number of similar crimes, as other Ukrainian law enforcement agencies register similar violations.

In recent weeks, more and more signals have come through unofficial channels about the sale of Ukrainian weapons. BulgarianMilitary.com was one of the first sites to inform the world about the potential illegal trade in Western-donated weapons, goods, and humanitarian aid.

a reply to: putnam6
Obviously, we are not sending near enough taxpayer money to go along with the weapons and humanitarian aid, so they are having to sell off some of it to make up the difference. I think we definitely need to send another $40 billion or so. You know, just to show solidarity. Besides, Hunter and Joe need the kickback for drugs, hoes, and Chinese bro's.

A plane full of 11 tons of weapons crashed in Greece and it was LEAVING the Ukraine. Everyone died in the crash which destroyed the weapons thankfully.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: putnam6

Hmm, so in essence, sending this aid to the Ukrainians was just another form of "arming the GOOD rebels" policy that the Obama administration proposed. Now it all comes full circle, as the one of the core black market destinations for these weapons is Syria.

BRB going to make sure the Ukrainian flag is still properly displayed on my front porch...

originally posted by: Athetos
A plane full of 11 tons of weapons crashed in Greece and it was LEAVING the Ukraine. Everyone died in the crash which destroyed the weapons thankfully.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: putnam6

Thanks for this.



Hmm, the article says....the cargo plane, crewed by eight Ukrainian flight staff, was transporting "mortar, training shells and land mines to Bangladeshi military".

Umm, whut??

But but but, the New York Times told me that "Shortage of Artillery Ammunition Saps Ukrainian Frontline (sic) Morale".

Whoopsies!

Such a shame when real life intrudes on the carefully crafted narrative constructed by the bought and paid for U.S. media.

I wonder if the mines were, say, U.S. Claymores. Hmmm. That would be pretty clever money laundering scheme: U.S. armaments sent to Ukraine are turned around and sold to buyers in the Far East.

originally posted by: Athetos
A plane full of 11 tons of weapons crashed in Greece and it was LEAVING the Ukraine. Everyone died in the crash which destroyed the weapons thankfully.

Do you guys need to get your eyes checked or are you just making # up? It says the plane was leaving Serbia, not Ukraine. And why would you be thankful that it crashed?

originally posted by: Athetos
A plane full of 11 tons of weapons crashed in Greece and it was LEAVING the Ukraine. Everyone died in the crash which destroyed the weapons thankfully.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: putnam6

The cargo was from Serbia to Bangladesh.

Not Ukraine.

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

originally posted by: Athetos
A plane full of 11 tons of weapons crashed in Greece and it was LEAVING the Ukraine. Everyone died in the crash which destroyed the weapons thankfully.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: putnam6

Thanks for this.

Hmm, the article says....the cargo plane, crewed by eight Ukrainian flight staff, was transporting "mortar, training shells and land mines to Bangladeshi military".

Umm, whut??

But but but, the New York Times told me that "Shortage of Artillery Ammunition Saps Ukrainian Frontline (sic) Morale".

Whoopsies!

Such a shame when real life intrudes on the carefully crafted narrative constructed by the bought and paid for U.S. media.

I wonder if the mines were, say, U.S. Claymores. Hmmm. That would be pretty clever money laundering scheme: U.S. armaments sent to Ukraine are turned around and sold to buyers in the Far East.

The article also cofirms the cargo was from Serbia, not Ukraine.

a reply to: Cutepants

I don't think anyone is happy over the loss of life, but this plane has cargo consisting of weapons and was going to Bangladesh. Since the narrative is that Ukraine is needing more US money and weapons, it just seemed strange that Ukraine cargo planes would be transporting weapons to somewhere OTHER than Ukraine.

It's almost as if the billions of dollars we sent along with all the military support may not all be on the up and up. BTW, wasn't there some talk of less than kosher business in Ukraine not long ago? Best not look too deep into this.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

originally posted by: Athetos
A plane full of 11 tons of weapons crashed in Greece and it was LEAVING the Ukraine. Everyone died in the crash which destroyed the weapons thankfully.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: putnam6

Thanks for this.

Hmm, the article says....the cargo plane, crewed by eight Ukrainian flight staff, was transporting "mortar, training shells and land mines to Bangladeshi military".

Umm, whut??

But but but, the New York Times told me that "Shortage of Artillery Ammunition Saps Ukrainian Frontline (sic) Morale".

Whoopsies!

Such a shame when real life intrudes on the carefully crafted narrative constructed by the bought and paid for U.S. media.

I wonder if the mines were, say, U.S. Claymores. Hmmm. That would be pretty clever money laundering scheme: U.S. armaments sent to Ukraine are turned around and sold to buyers in the Far East.

The article also cofirms the cargo was from Serbia, not Ukraine.

doesn't the article also state it was a Ukraine plane with a Ukraine crew?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

originally posted by: Athetos
A plane full of 11 tons of weapons crashed in Greece and it was LEAVING the Ukraine. Everyone died in the crash which destroyed the weapons thankfully.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: putnam6

Thanks for this.

Hmm, the article says....the cargo plane, crewed by eight Ukrainian flight staff, was transporting "mortar, training shells and land mines to Bangladeshi military".

Umm, whut??

But but but, the New York Times told me that "Shortage of Artillery Ammunition Saps Ukrainian Frontline (sic) Morale".

Whoopsies!

Such a shame when real life intrudes on the carefully crafted narrative constructed by the bought and paid for U.S. media.

I wonder if the mines were, say, U.S. Claymores. Hmmm. That would be pretty clever money laundering scheme: U.S. armaments sent to Ukraine are turned around and sold to buyers in the Far East.

The article also cofirms the cargo was from Serbia, not Ukraine.

FWIW the OP is about this which MSN has picked up, Again asking for MORE clarification or more sources

www.msn.com... o=true

Canada chimes in from the Windsor Star... thiinks its pretty obvious it's indeed happening.

windsorstar.com... lack-market

Canada has no way to track weapons donated to Ukraine despite concerns arms could end up on black market.The Canadian Forces confirmed it is not taking part in NATO discussions underway to try to deal with the potential issue of arms smuggling from Ukraine.The Canadian Forces confirmed it is not taking part in NATO discussions underway to try to deal with the potential issue of arms smuggling from Ukraine.

There are growing concerns that some of the weapons sent to Ukraine have been or will be diverted to the black market. NATO nations have donated billions of dollars of arms and military equipment to Ukraine since Russia invaded that country on Feb. 24.

Jurgen Stock, the head of Interpol, warned in June that after the war he expects some of the weapons delivered to Ukraine will end up in the hands of criminals in Europe and in other nations.

In April, the European Union Agency for Law Enforcement Cooperation, noted that weapons are already being trafficked from Ukraine to organized crime groups.

After repeated sales of weapons donated by the US were recorded, the director of the Economic Security Bureau of Ukraine, Vadim Melnik, disclosed to the news website Bulgarianmilitary.com that the bureau is investigating cases related to the sale of humanitarian aid received from foreign partners.


On July 5, Melnik told TV channel Ukraine 24 about the sale of weapons donated as part of humanitarian aid by Western countries, according to Life online portal. Melnik revealed that 10 such cases have been registered.

Earlier this year, a senior US defence official told CNN in an interview that "while the military aid in the form of weapons sent to Ukraine has been the largest recent supply to a partner country in a conflict, the risk however lies in the fact that in the long term, some of those weapons may wind up in the hands of other militaries and militias that the US did not intend to arm."

According to Bulgarianmilitary.com, the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) is unable to control the stockpiled supplies, the serial numbers of weapons and their distribution among the Ukrainian armed forces because of the war. However, the DSCA is willing to open an office in Ukraine.

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby revealed that the Defense Department doesn't earmark the weapons it sends for particular units.

The weapons are provided to Ukraine based on what the Ukrainian forces say they need, whether it's portable systems like Javelin and Stinger missiles or the Slovakian S-300 air defence system.

Compared to the S-300 air defence system, it is harder to track Javelins, Stinger Missiles and rifles despite having serial numbers, sources familiar with the matter disclosed.

Bulgarianmilitary.com also revealed that a Javelin anti-tank guided missile system has appeared as a product for sale on the darknet with the location Kyiv. The value that the unknown seller had set was $30,000.

According to the online portal Donbas Insider, two Caesar self-propelled howitzers were sold to the Russian armed forces for $124,000 each. However, France’s general staff has denied reports of a French Caesar self-propelled howitzer being captured or sold by Russian forces in Ukraine. “This information is false,” said the General Staff of France. “We categorically deny it. We’ve discussed this with our Ukrainian partners.” The Armed Forces of Ukraine have also argued that no proof was offered to back up the assertion.

The largest threat to the flow of weapons into Ukraine, according to Jordan Cohen, a military and international policy analyst at the CATO institute, is what will happen to them if the war stops or descends into a protracted stalemate.

"For decades, the US sent arms into Afghanistan, first to arm the mujahideen in their fight against the Soviet army, then to arm Afghan forces in their fight against the Taliban. Inevitably, some weapons ended up on the black market including anti-aircraft Stinger missiles, the same kind the US is now providing to Ukraine," Cohen said.

I think from time to time they sell things they got thousands of, such as Javelin, NLAW, AT4. For things they get few of, such as HIMARS, they cannot do that because it's easy to keep count.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

originally posted by: Athetos
A plane full of 11 tons of weapons crashed in Greece and it was LEAVING the Ukraine. Everyone died in the crash which destroyed the weapons thankfully.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: putnam6

Thanks for this.

Hmm, the article says....the cargo plane, crewed by eight Ukrainian flight staff, was transporting "mortar, training shells and land mines to Bangladeshi military".

Umm, whut??

But but but, the New York Times told me that "Shortage of Artillery Ammunition Saps Ukrainian Frontline (sic) Morale".

Whoopsies!

Such a shame when real life intrudes on the carefully crafted narrative constructed by the bought and paid for U.S. media.

I wonder if the mines were, say, U.S. Claymores. Hmmm. That would be pretty clever money laundering scheme: U.S. armaments sent to Ukraine are turned around and sold to buyers in the Far East.

The article also cofirms the cargo was from Serbia, not Ukraine.

doesn't the article also state it was a Ukraine plane with a Ukraine crew?

Yes it does. Ukraine has large air freight industry.

Cargo was still from Serbia.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

originally posted by: Athetos
A plane full of 11 tons of weapons crashed in Greece and it was LEAVING the Ukraine. Everyone died in the crash which destroyed the weapons thankfully.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: putnam6

Thanks for this.

Hmm, the article says....the cargo plane, crewed by eight Ukrainian flight staff, was transporting "mortar, training shells and land mines to Bangladeshi military".

Umm, whut??

But but but, the New York Times told me that "Shortage of Artillery Ammunition Saps Ukrainian Frontline (sic) Morale".

Whoopsies!

Such a shame when real life intrudes on the carefully crafted narrative constructed by the bought and paid for U.S. media.

I wonder if the mines were, say, U.S. Claymores. Hmmm. That would be pretty clever money laundering scheme: U.S. armaments sent to Ukraine are turned around and sold to buyers in the Far East.

The article also cofirms the cargo was from Serbia, not Ukraine.

doesn't the article also state it was a Ukraine plane with a Ukraine crew?

Yes it does. Ukraine has large air freight industry.

Cargo was still from Serbia.

so we have your word that nothing out of the ordinary is going on here and nobody should look into this any further?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

originally posted by: Athetos
A plane full of 11 tons of weapons crashed in Greece and it was LEAVING the Ukraine. Everyone died in the crash which destroyed the weapons thankfully.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: putnam6

Thanks for this.

Hmm, the article says....the cargo plane, crewed by eight Ukrainian flight staff, was transporting "mortar, training shells and land mines to Bangladeshi military".

Umm, whut??

But but but, the New York Times told me that "Shortage of Artillery Ammunition Saps Ukrainian Frontline (sic) Morale".

Whoopsies!

Such a shame when real life intrudes on the carefully crafted narrative constructed by the bought and paid for U.S. media.

I wonder if the mines were, say, U.S. Claymores. Hmmm. That would be pretty clever money laundering scheme: U.S. armaments sent to Ukraine are turned around and sold to buyers in the Far East.

The article also cofirms the cargo was from Serbia, not Ukraine.

doesn't the article also state it was a Ukraine plane with a Ukraine crew?

Yes it does. Ukraine has large air freight industry.

Cargo was still from Serbia.

so we have your word that nothing out of the ordinary is going on here and nobody should look into this any further?

We have an article that clearly states the cargo was from Serbia and posters claiming it was from Ukraine.

How you about you question the people misrepresenting the content of the article?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Cutepants

Since the narrative is that Ukraine is needing more US money and weapons, it just seemed strange that Ukraine cargo planes would be transporting weapons to somewhere OTHER than Ukraine.

Why? Like you said, the narrative is that they need more weapons, not more cargo capacity on transport planes.

It's almost as if the billions of dollars we sent along with all the military support may not all be on the up and up.

I think it's pretty obvious that some of the weapons will be sold on the black market. But apparently not the ones on this plane, since they were Serbian.

a reply to: Cutepants

I just question why Ukraine plane and pilots were involved. Could be perfectly normal, but with that country in a war currently, it seems likely those pilots would have other things to do. But either way, asking questions isn't wrong and anyone who tries to stop the seeking of information looks equally suspect.

a reply to: network dude

If Ukraine doesn't need those aircraft for the war at home, they may be selling their services to other countries for some of that cold, hard cash.

To buy weapons they can use to kill Russians.

That doesn't sound outlandish as an educated guess.

Cheers

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Cutepants

I just question why Ukraine plane and pilots were involved. Could be perfectly normal, but with that country in a war currently, it seems likely those pilots would have other things to do. But either way, asking questions isn't wrong and anyone who tries to stop the seeking of information looks equally suspect.

Pointing out people are lying/mistaken about the content of an article is not in anyway stopping the seeking of information. In fact quite the opposite.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: network dude

If Ukraine doesn't need those aircraft for the war at home, they may be selling their services to other countries for some of that cold, hard cash.

To buy weapons they can use to kill Russians.

That doesn't sound outlandish as an educated guess.

Cheers

It àlso was a private cargo jet, not military .

So possibly unsuitabile for flying in Ukraine in current circumstances.