Putin's last warning

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: CriticalStinker
You didn't have any referenda at all. Not before the invasion, not after the invasion. Dictatorship.

Dictatorship...

How long has Putin decided he will be in power?

I find it amusing, how some people are so utterly obtuse, in regards to their own irony

a reply to: Xtrozero

That latest Russian General:


www.mirror.co.uk...

They must be getting pretty desperate!

a reply to: RussianTroll

My store shelves are full. My tap water is clean. Gas in my area never got to high for me and is now going down.
I take 2 hour long hot baths if I want. My water and electric bill combined are around $100 a month. I can take 20 hot baths a day if I like. I drive for my job about 3-4 hours a day but the job pays for all the gas.
I only work 25 hours a week and make $1500 a month. I spend most of my time with friends, family , and hobbies.

Is it really as good as this in russia? What's a typical day like for you? How many hours of work? How many hours doing whatever you want?

a reply to: RussianTroll

Anyone that believes that there are rules in a battle is a fool.
And will lose.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

They must be getting pretty desperate!

What's 500 pounds among friends.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
Hello ATS!

Yesterday, a new statement by Russian President Putin was made, which must have greatly strained the world community. After all, she managed to forget about the Russian “ultimatum” published on December 17, 2021.

Vladimir Putin at a meeting with the leaders of the factions of the State Duma said:

"Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield, well, what can I say, let them try. We have heard many times that the West wants to fight us to the last Ukrainian. This is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but it seems that everything This is what it goes for. But everyone should know that, by and large, we haven’t started anything seriously yet."

Someone may have thought that we are talking about a new qualitative content of the special operation. Perhaps about the liberation of Kharkov, Kyiv, Odessa and other regions of Ukraine from the Nazi Bandera regime. And, there is no doubt, it will be so - a matter of time.

But let me remind you that the "ultimatum" was about more - about the return of NATO to the borders of 1997. At least this is how this demand was interpreted by Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov.
“NATO needs to pack up and go to the 1997 lines,” he said on the eve of Russian-American negotiations on security guarantees and a month and a half before the start of the special operation in Ukraine.

To understand what borders Russia is talking about, the BBC even drew a map.

So, Russia is demanding the exclusion from NATO of new members admitted to the Alliance after 1997? No, Russia does not offer anything impossible, Ryabkov's words about the baggies are nothing more than a figure of speech. This is what is said in Article 4 of the draft "Agreement on measures to ensure the security of the Russian Federation and the member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization", published on December 17 last year on the website of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

"The Russian Federation and all Participants that were, as of May 27, 1997, Member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, respectively, do not station their armed forces and armaments on the territory of all other states of Europe in addition to the forces stationed on that territory as of May 27 May 1997. In exceptional cases, when situations arise that require the neutralization of a threat to the security of one or more Participants, such placements may be carried out with the consent of all Participants".

That is, neither in the Baltics nor in other countries of Eastern Europe should there be any NATO troops, bases or launchers that could pose a threat to Russia's security. For example, the construction of elements of the Euro missile defense system in Eastern Europe - Poland, the Czech Republic, Romania - should be stopped, and what has already been started should be dismantled. But let them stay in NATO, for Russia this is not a problem. As well as membership in the alliance of Finland and Sweden, if military infrastructure is not deployed on the territory of these countries.

So, after the completion of the special operation in Ukraine, a special operation will begin in the Baltic States, Poland, the Czech Republic and further down the list? Personally, I do not exclude this - the Russians have nothing to lose. But I hope that by that time the Europeans will have accumulated enough willpower to put pressure on the Poles and the Balts and nip their militaristic frenzy in the bud.

And most importantly, they will begin to actively resist the United States and Britain, pushing the Old World to another military disaster. In the end, they must understand that they are talking about their own lives.

And at the end, a little joke addressed to a respected members of my "British fan club".

Thanks.

dont worry HIMARS cant read either.

I see all the people here that are just being tribal. They cheer and say we will keep sending weapons. Ukraine will never give up. They will take back all the land. Blah blah blah.

None of them will go over and help the fight. It isn't that important to them.

If half the people that tell everyone else they need to suffer 5 to $7 a gallon went and fought then Russia would lose. They won't.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
I see all the people here that are just being tribal. They cheer and say we will keep sending weapons. Ukraine will never give up. They will take back all the land. Blah blah blah.

None of them will go over and help the fight. It isn't that important to them.

If half the people that tell everyone else they need to suffer 5 to $7 a gallon went and fought then Russia would lose. They won't.

here you go with your pro civilian death rhetoric

a reply to: MConnalley

There you go not addressing a thing I said.

Ukraine said they were suffering up to 1,000 casualties a day. That is just what they admit to.

The liberal world order cheerleaders don't care.

a reply to: RussianTroll

That is, neither in the Baltics nor in other countries of Eastern Europe should there be any NATO troops, bases or launchers that could pose a threat to Russia's security. For example, the construction of elements of the Euro missile defense system in Eastern Europe - Poland, the Czech Republic, Romania - should be stopped,

Why are you getting so upset about a defensive missile system?

a reply to: RussianTroll


The future of Putin's regime rests on the outcome of the war in Ukraine. Among Putin's deranged ideology/goal of recreating the Russian Empire, Russia's shrinking economy and population and his backers removing support in the event of military defeat, the perfect storm is brewing. No amount of absurd Russian propaganda will disguise those matters.

Including the follow-up discussion, I dealt with the future outlook of the war in Ukraine elsewhere . But the war in Ukraine will last for years, with the outcome probably defining the remainder of the 21 century.

Oh hmm...thought yesterday's news was that he wants Alaska back.

Wake me when it's "Putin's last breath."

ugh..I wish this leaders who threaten would just do it already. Lets rock n roll and start this end party already.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I see all the people here that are just being tribal. They cheer and say we will keep sending weapons. Ukraine will never give up. They will take back all the land. Blah blah blah.

Rather doubtful people on ATS are sending weapons to Ukraine.

Do you see Ukraine giving up or capitulating?

To my knowledge Zelenskyy has made no such statement on there behalf.

None of them will go over and help the fight. It isn't that important to them.

You are sitting in Florida bumping your gums like everyone else. People don't want to go to war, just for Russia to calm the feck down, go back home to their own nation, and stop threatening peaceful nations with war in Europe and nuclear annihilation.

If half the people that tell everyone else they need to suffer 5 to $7 a gallon went and fought then Russia would lose. They won't.

Russia will lose, question all the same, how can you complain about people not going off to fight in Ukraine when in the next breath you are perfectly happy to see prisoners of war called mercenaries and when captured charged with the death penalty?

a reply to: andy06shake

Do you see Ukraine giving up or capitulating?

a reply to: Grimpachi

You think Ukraine surrendering amounts to a couple of soldiers refusing to fight and saying god knows what in Ukrainian?

For all we know they are ordering Pizza. LoL

Shall we try the pertinent question again all the same since you seem to have chosen to ignore such.

"How can you complain about people not going off to fight in Ukraine when in the next breath you are perfectly happy to see prisoners of war called mercenaries and when captured charged with the death penalty?"

a reply to: Grimpachi

a reply to: andy06shake

"Do you see Ukraine giving up or capitulating?"

Yes

"But, but, but, that doesn't count"

"how can you complain about people not going off to fight in Ukraine when in the next breath you are perfectly happy to see prisoners of war called mercenaries and when captured charged with the death penalty?"

Nor am I cheerleading them to their doom or happy about weapons being sent that will only prolong the inevitable. Like any war, it is the poor who are fighting and dying while the ones who hold responsibility for bringing the war bought their way out, ran away, and relax on beaches.

Also, I can complain because the people pushing this war are the same ones who lack any conviction to put their butts on the line. They are perfectly fine with watching them get maimed and die.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Fighting a war because Putin is trying to take possession of land, oil, and resources that weren’t under his control.

a reply to: MConnalley

Brought to us by the same people who promoted the Ghost of Kyiv, Snake Island go F yourself martyrs, they didn't surrender it's and evacuation, the rape stories where the women who promoted them was fired and admitted she made them up, and so much more.

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